HBO's "Game of Thrones"

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Because when he said that she was hateful, and that HE was hateful, I think he views himself as the one who should and can execute her (not capture her for trial, etc.) I think he has realized the impact of all the evil that he has done, and that the only way that he can balance the scales is by killing his partner in evil, removing both of them from the world.

I really don't believe at this point that he has any hope of changing her, and I'm damn sure that he's not going back for just another roll in the hay. Unless he murders her after said roll, because surely even Cersei doesn't have the Mountain in her chambers while going at it. At any rate, he has to hope that he has the chance to get close to her, even upright with clothes on, and kill her before the Mountain can intervene.

It's a kamikaze run, a suicide mission.

You may be right, but I just saw that completely different.

 

[VolNExile]

You may be right, but I just saw that completely different.

That's what makes art, including novels, fun!

 

[jakez4ut]

I honestly can not see how it was interpreted that way. Maybe it was meant that way, but I don't see it.

Lol... Several have given plausible reasons why... That you didn't on your own shouldn't prevent you from not acknowledging it now... Doesn't mean you have to agree... But surely after it being explained, you can?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

That's what makes art, including novels, fun!

Lol... Several have given plausible reasons why... That you didn't on your own shouldn't prevent you from not acknowledging it now... Doesn't mean you have to agree... But surely after it being explained, you can?

Ok, I can see how some may not have taken it the way I did..but..I still don't think that is what was intended in that scene.

I think Certs is like crack cocaine to Jaime. I totally get that as a former addict myself, he has a love/hate relationship with his addiction. If there is a conflict people are seeing in him, that is what it is. He is not going to flush the drugs, he is going to keep them from being flushed...He is going to get a fix, even if he hates himself for doing it.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

The fact we are discussing a finely played nuance like this puts a big dent in the abundant critics who say these guys don't know how to write anymore. That was a great scene all the way around, I think we can all agree with that...GoT at it's best.

 

[ButchPlz]

The fact we are discussing a finely played nuance like this puts a big dent in the abundant critics who say these guys don't know how to write anymore. That was a great scene all the way around, I think we can all agree with that...GoT at it's best.

Hitting on one scene doesn't mean you're great.

This season has been pretty weak.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Gosh, I hadn't even considered that Jamie might be going to save his sister. I thought you saw a man that -- through his fighting alongside and developing relationships with Brienne, Bran, Jon, etc -- had come to realize the evil and misgivings of his (and Cersei's) past. I was convinced he was on a suicide mission to atone for their deeds.

 

[eVOLve]

She is my most hated non-historical character ever.

Hated Joffrey worse.

 

[jakez4ut]

Hitting on one scene doesn't mean you're great.

This season has been pretty weak.

.... According to you.

 

[ButchPlz]

.... According to you.

And a significant portion of the people watching it, which is why this has come up.

 

[JCP201]

Jaime doesn't like who he was with Cersei. I thought that was obvious. He recognizes all the evil they've both done. Maybe he'll try to reason with her, but no way Cersei see things the way he now does. He may not be absolute intent on killing her, but he will if that's the only way to stop her.

That is the way I saw it. And he made this decision after he found out the Dragon was killed. He was staying with Brienne when it looked like the good guys were going to win, but now that one of their best weapons fell, he decides he has to go join up with Cercei and suddenly just has to be with her? After he knows she hired Bron to kill him, not to mention his long redemption journey? Personally, I thought he sounded disgusted with himself and the way he was in the past. Someone made a comparison of what Arya did with her direwolf when she wanted it to leave her for it's own safety-- She threw rocks. Jaime threw rocks at Brienne so she wouldn't try to follow. It is a suicide mission.

 

[jakez4ut]

And a significant portion of the people watching it, which is why this has come up.

Nitwit.

It's still just about opinion. There's plenty of others that have loved it.

Add "I think" to the start of your post and you'd be on to something...

 

[Weezer]

I think a part of Jaime absolutely wants to try and save his sister, they way he, in his own way, has been saved. I don't think he's going to show up and just kill her. He'll probably try to talk her down, but given Cersei's character, it won't work. I don't think he's in any way returning to his sister to blindly serve. We've seen him gain a conscious and regret his past actions. He's not just going to return to that role. When he realizes death is the only thing that will stop Cersei, he'll kill her, but I think in the process he dies too. As I said in a previous post, they came into the world together, I think they leave the world together as well.

 

[ButchPlz]

It's still just about opinion. There's plenty of others that have loved it.

Add "I think" to the start of your post and you'd be on to something...

Shouldn't it be assumed that if I post something I think it?

I'm not a poor writer, unlike the Disney-movie characters they hired to write this show. Their obvious storytelling weakness has shown now that they don't have material to draw from.

 

[drvenner]

And a significant portion of the people watching it, which is why this has come up.

Not really, but we are all different. I think part of the issue is that we all know it's winding down, and we all want our version of the perfect ending. If that is not delivered, v we are at least somewhat disappointed. It is one of my favorite seasons because I love all the reunions. I do agree the writing just is not as good without Martin, but I am enjoying it a great deal. I love all the conversations about it too.

 

[JCP201]

So, Bran, Sansa, Ghost, Sam, Tormund, Brienne etc. are all done and they just hang out at Winterfell to wait for news? I just feel like something must be happening at that end.

 

[jakez4ut]

Shouldn't it be assumed that if I post something I think it?

I'm not a poor writer, unlike the Disney-movie characters they hired to write this show. Their obvious storytelling weakness has shown now that they don't have material to draw from.

Ohhhh....you're just angry about the books...Ok. Nevermind lol.

 

[drvenner]

That is the way I saw it. And he made this decision after he found out the Dragon was killed. He was staying with Brienne when it looked like the good guys were going to win, but now that one of their best weapons fell, he decides he has to go join up with Cercei and suddenly just has to be with her? After he knows she hired Bron to kill him, not to mention his long redemption journey? Personally, I thought he sounded disgusted with himself and the way he was in the past. Someone made a comparison of what Arya did with her direwolf when she wanted it to leave her for it's own safety-- She threw rocks. Jaime threw rocks at Brienne so she wouldn't try to follow. It is a suicide mission.

I am the opposite. He did many of his terrible deeds for her. He loves her. I still think something happens to turn him back, but he is going with the intent to help her, UMO

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I think a part of Jaime absolutely wants to try and save his sister, they way he, in his own way, has been saved. I don't think he's going to show up and just kill her. He'll probably try to talk her down, but given Cersei's character, it won't work. I don't think he's in any way returning to his sister to blindly serve. We've seen him gain a conscious and regret his past actions. He's not just going to return to that role. When he realizes death is the only thing that will stop Cersei, he'll kill her, but I think in the process he dies too. As I said in a previous post, they came into the world together, I think they leave the world together as well.

I think we are on the same page with this.

 

[drvenner]

Shouldn't it be assumed that if I post something I think it?

I'm not a poor writer, unlike the Disney-movie characters they hired to write this show. Their obvious storytelling weakness has shown now that they don't have material to draw from.

We get it. You don't like it. I think a lot of people are making the same sort of claims because that think it's trendy.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

So, Bran, Sansa, Ghost, Sam, Tormund, Brienne etc. are all done and they just hang out at Winterfell to wait for news? I just feel like something must be happening at that end.

Why? They are not soldiers, and Dany's war for the throne means zilch to Tormund and his people. Brienne is sworn to protect Sansa and Sansa is not going anywhere south of the Neck.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

We get it. You don't like it. I think a lot of people are making the same sort of claims because that think it's trendy.

It is what it is. Welcome to the new age.

 

[JCP201]

Why? They are not soldiers, and Dany's war for the throne means zilch to Tormund and his people. Brienne is sworn to protect Sansa and Sansa is not going anywhere south of the Neck.

I really felt like Sansa (at least) would play a big part at the end. She definitely started the wheels turning with Varys and Tyrion.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I really felt like Sansa (at least) would play a big part at the end. She definitely started the wheels turning with Varys and Tyrion.

Yeah...but she ain't leavin Winterfell..that's her spot. She did that to get Jon on the throne..that is the best chance for the Northern independence.

 

[drvenner]

I really felt like Sansa (at least) would play a big part at the end. She definitely started the wheels turning with Varys and Tyrion.

Can Varys go back to Cersei? I think he has cast his lot with Dany, but I guess he could get behind a new ruler like Jon or Sansa. I don't think he goes back to Cersei.