HBO's "Game of Thrones"

[Grand Vol]

Hmmm

 

[Paper_Towel]

Bran wargs into dead Rhaegal

 

[Weezer]

Boy howdy, sometimes nerds get all sorts of angry when you start questioning them.

STFU

 

[Weezer]

Hmmm

Emilia Clarke is even hotter without the Dany wig, IMO.

 

[TheDeeble]

I thought after she repaid the original loan, she took out another one to pay for the Golden Company?

I think she did. The last time the rep from the Iron Bank visited in season 7 he was telling her such a large sum had never been repayed in one installment. Then Cersei started talking about the upcoming fight in Westeros and she wanted to hire the Golden Company. The rep asked if outside investment would be needed and she told him yes. Then in the last episode when Cersei was laying out her plans to Jaime for not attacking the north (when he was saying they would end up dead no matter who won up there) she told him she had the Iron Bank and the Golden Company coming over from Essos.

 

[n_huffhines]

I reaallly hope if there even is an Iron Throne after all this that Jon is sitting on it. Certs's dumb "When you play the Game of Thrones..you win..or you die" quote would turn out to be garbage. Jon would win, and he never even played the game.

He did die, he would be winning or dying (one of the two options she presented for people who play, so she'd still be right), and this scenario wouldn't be the end of his story, either.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

He did die, he would be winning or dying (one of the two options she presented for people who play, so she'd still be right), and this scenario wouldn't be the end of his story, either.

True..but he still never played the game.

 

[n_huffhines]

True..but he still never played the game.

But that result doesn't really pertain to Cersei's statement. "...you either win or you die." She isn't saying you can't become king without playing politics and vying for power. Once you're vying for power, you win or you die.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

But that result doesn't really pertain to Cersei's statement. "...you either win or you die." She isn't saying you can't become king without playing politics and vying for power. Once you're vying for power, you win or you die.

I get what you are saying, but Jon has never "vied" for power. People are just drawn to him, and he has power thrust on him. He wants nothing to do with the stupid game. I think you can agree with that..right?

 

[Weezer]

I get what you are saying, but Jon has never "vied" for power. People are just drawn to him, and he has power thrust on him. He wants nothing to do with the stupid game. I think you can agree with that..right?

To a degree. But at the same time, when power or position was thrust upon him, he never said no.

 

[Smokeytom]

Emilia Clarke is even hotter without the Dany wig, IMO.

I mean, she is really hot regardless, but in this clip she looks like she's on a high school dance team. lol

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

To a degree. But at the same time, when power or position was thrust upon him, he never said no.

To steal a quote often said by Rand al' Thor...the central character in my favorite fantasy epic The Wheel of Time.."Death is lighter than a feather, duty heavier than a mountain"

Jon has done everything he has done for the good of others...not for the sake of playing some stupid game of thrones.

 

[Weezer]

To steal a quote often said by Rand al' Thor...the central character in my favorite fantasy epic The Wheel of Time.."Death is lighter than a feather, duty heavier than a mountain"

Jon has done everything he has done for the good of others...not for the sake of playing some stupid game of thrones.

My point is that you don't have to be willingly playing the game to be playing the game. For some, it's seeking power. For others, it's being pushed into power. Sometimes just doing what you think is right leads you into it.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Ok...so after a week to ruminate on it, while I really loved "The Long Night"..."The Battle of the Bastards" is still my favorite.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

My point is that you don't have to be willingly playing the game to be playing the game. For some, it's seeking power. For others, it's being pushed into power. Sometimes just doing what you think is right leads you into it.

I am not arguing anymore about this. In the end Jon sitting a throne he doesn't and never wanted. And has never played any "game" to get, when all the other contenders have been scheming, clawing and grasping for it would be perfect.

 

[VolNExile]

I don't know about a second loan, but isn't that the main reason she attacked House Tyrell? For their gold to pay back debit. This may have already been covered, apologies if so.

Also their grain? The dragon took care of that. Was the gold lost as well?

 

[VolNExile]

I think it's too obvious that Arya kills Cersei, so that's probably not what happens. Jamie, Tyrion, or Bronn maybe? Dany and Jon aren't going to be able to be happily ever after. One or both has to go. I feel like Sansa is going to have Dany killed, and that Jon will begrudgingly take the throne. They'll do it in a way that Jon and Sansa can be on good terms. Jon's secret is going to get out, and Dany will feel like she has to kill him to preserve her claim, but Sansa/Arya will be ready for that move.

Jaime kills Cersei (went there to do so)
The Mountain kills Jaime
Maybe the Hound and Arya are there and kill the Mountain, and the Hound dies while battling the Mountain
Arya lives or dies

--I wouldn't give a nickel for any of that, considering how spectacularly wrong I was in predictions for Ep 4.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Jaime kills Cersei (went there to do so)
The Mountain kills Jaime
Maybe the Hound and Arya are there and kill the Mountain, and the Hound dies while battling the Mountain
Arya lives or dies

--I wouldn't give a nickel for any of that, considering how spectacularly wrong I was in predictions for Ep 4.

After everything he said to Brienne as he was leaving..about all the evil he had done just to get back to Certs..what in the world makes you believe he is going, "intending" to kill her? I agree he very well may be the one to kill her, I have thought for over a decade that he would be the one, but I don't see how anybody thinks he is leaving Winterfell intending to kill her.

 

[Weezer]

After everything he said to Brienne as he was leaving..about all the evil he had done just to get back to Certs..what in the world makes you believe he is going, "intending" to kill her? I agree he very well may be the one to kill her, I have thought for over a decade that he would be the one, but I don't see how anybody thinks he is leaving Winterfell intending to kill her.

Jaime doesn't like who he was with Cersei. I thought that was obvious. He recognizes all the evil they've both done. Maybe he'll try to reason with her, but no way Cersei see things the way he now does. He may not be absolute intent on killing her, but he will if that's the only way to stop her.

 

[jakez4ut]

After everything he said to Brienne as he was leaving..about all the evil he had done just to get back to Certs..what in the world makes you believe he is going, "intending" to kill her? I agree he very well may be the one to kill her, I have thought for over a decade that he would be the one, but I don't see how anybody thinks he is leaving Winterfell intending to kill her.

It was definitely left up to interpretation. Brienne at least took it to mean he was going back to at least save her. Jamie didn't exactly talk her down from that... So your definitely left thinking that.

That said, there was a lot of disdain in his voice when he kept saying " for cerci"... So I can see how one might interpret the intent that way.... Like he's pissed and he's done, and he's going to end it.

See, I barely tried and I can see how someone thinks that. You just gotta try..,a little.

 

[gainesvol82]

To steal a quote often said by Rand al' Thor...the central character in my favorite fantasy epic The Wheel of Time.."Death is lighter than a feather, duty heavier than a mountain"

Jon has done everything he has done for the good of others...not for the sake of playing some stupid game of thrones.

Rand also thought it was his fate to go mad, possibly kill people he loved and die. I see your point but I don't think that Jon has felt the same weight that Rand did. He just believes in doing the right thing and because of his natural leadership he has been in a position to affect others by doing so.

Dany may be the mother of dragons but Jon truly is the last dragon.

 

[SlyStone]

So, who dies tonight?

My money is on Brienne, Sansa or Arya.

Sansa still has the dagger given to her from Arya.

 

[VolNExile]

After everything he said to Brienne as he was leaving..about all the evil he had done just to get back to Certs..what in the world makes you believe he is going, "intending" to kill her? I agree he very well may be the one to kill her, I have thought for over a decade that he would be the one, but I don't see how anybody thinks he is leaving Winterfell intending to kill her.

Because when he said that she was hateful, and that HE was hateful, I think he views himself as the one who should and can execute her (not capture her for trial, etc.) I think he has realized the impact of all the evil that he has done, and that the only way that he can balance the scales is by killing his partner in evil, removing both of them from the world.

I really don't believe at this point that he has any hope of changing her, and I'm damn sure that he's not going back for just another roll in the hay. Unless he murders her after said roll, because surely even Cersei doesn't have the Mountain in her chambers while going at it. At any rate, he has to hope that he has the chance to get close to her, even upright with clothes on, and kill her before the Mountain can intervene.

It's a kamikaze run, a suicide mission.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Rand also thought it was his fate to go mad, possibly kill people he loved and die. I see your point but I don't think that Jon has felt the same weight that Rand did. He just believes in doing the right thing and because of his natural leadership he has been in a position to affect others by doing so.

Dany may be the mother of dragons but Jon truly is the last dragon.

I just used the quote. The characters are indeed a lot different, well they are different in how they go about achieving what they feel is their duty. Rand had no problem playing, and being very good at playing Daes dae'mar ("The game of Houses" to those who don't know the WoT, and yes that predates Martins "Game of Thrones") to accomplish what he knew was his destiny. Jon hates that crap, and absolutely does not believe ruling Westeros is his destiny. I think he just wanted to save humanity from the Others, the rest is pure nonsense to him.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

It was definitely left up to interpretation. Brienne at least took it to mean he was going back to at least save her. Jamie didn't exactly talk her down from that... So your definitely left thinking that.

That said, there was a lot of disdain in his voice when he kept saying " for cerci"... So I can see how one might interpret the intent that way.... Like he's pissed and he's done, and he's going to end it.

See, I barely tried and I can see how someone thinks that. You just gotta try..,a little.

I honestly can not see how it was interpreted that way. Maybe it was meant that way, but I don't see it.