Hear today on Tenn Sports Radio [re: UT admissions standards]

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majic73 said:
and that would matter ...if they were members of the SEC.

You and Mr. Cheek need to understand , if the university wants to become an elite academic institution they need football. Football is the face of the university and the biggest marketing tool. A winning football team puts your university in the view of the entire country.
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Harvard, MIT, Priceton, Cal Tech all disagree !! Heck Even when we were #1 in football in Peyton era, we were not even a Top 100 school. Cheek has been great for academics. Research grant money is past 5 years has doubled ...amazing new facilities are being built ..new professors are being hired...though a big fan, I understand football is just a sport and UT is a university not NFL team
 
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rockytop9808 said:
Because Harvard, MIT, Yale, Princeton, Cornell, etc. are national football powerhouses.
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...and none of them are in the SEC ...none are a state university either for that matter.

The IVY league invented football as we know it today . The competitions they had over 100 years ago thrust football into the mainstream . The forward pass was invented in 1876 in the Princeton vs Yale game. The ref tossed a coin to see if it was legal , and let it stand. He also invented the 'coin toss' as it is associated with the game. President Roosevelt later met with university officials and solidified the forward pass in the rule books because he liked it and it increased the safety of the game

All of the Ivy league schools used football to market themselves to student athletes and still do. They dont offer schollies like mainstream schools but use football to compete among themselves for student athlete.

Again , these teams are not in the SEC and they are not state institutions. Apples to Apples please. Football puts your school on TV and gives exposure to kids in other regions that never would even consider it. Further , at its highest level , it generates a cash flow for the academic side and the other non earning sports that they cannot get from the state or boosters . Also , you should really read up on the success stories of so many non-qualifiers that played college ball and went on to be very successful in the business world. How about the NFL guys too ? Is preparing a kid for a lucrative multi-million dollar job using one of the seven intelligences ( athletic ability ) not worthwhile?
 
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When the football team wins academics win. Without the football program everything else dies. The football program pays for every other sports program UT has and a lot back into academics.
 
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Big_Orange_Fan said:
When the football team wins academics win. Without the football program everything else dies. The football program pays for every other sports program UT has and a lot back into academics.
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and it's interesting that in 2012 our rabid fanbase doesn't understand this fact.
 
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majic73 said:
...and none of them are in the SEC ...none are a state university either for that matter.

The IVY league invented football as we know it today . The competitions they had over 100 years ago thrust football into the mainstream . The forward pass was invented in 1876 in the Princeton vs Yale game. The ref tossed a coin to see if it was legal , and let it stand. He also invented the 'coin toss' as it is associated with the game. President Roosevelt later met with university officials and solidified the forward pass in the rule books because he liked it and it increased the safety of the game

All of the Ivy league schools used football to market themselves to student athletes and still do. They dont offer schollies like mainstream schools but use football to compete among themselves for student athlete.

Again , these teams are not in the SEC and they are not state institutions. Apples to Apples please. Football puts your school on TV and gives exposure to kids in other regions that never would even consider it. Further , at its highest level , it generates a cash flow for the academic side and the other non earning sports that they cannot get from the state or boosters . Also , you should really read up on the success stories of so many non-qualifiers that played college ball and went on to be very successful in the business world. How about the NFL guys too ? Is preparing a kid for a lucrative multi-million dollar job using one of the seven intelligences ( athletic ability ) not worthwhile?
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best description so far of why sports means more to the academic side than they can even ever provide for themselves.
 
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Cheek needs to be terminated. There are so many reasons why he should be gone immediately. By the way, Vandy helped Franklin get some football players into school so statements about Vandy's high admissions requirements are inaccurate.
 
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Sikerth said:
How dare Cheek focus on academics while running a university... what an idiot.
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Cheek is myopic and has an ill conceived plan for academics. How many regular students have been refused addmission when 10 years ago they would have been admitted? This isnt Harvard or Dartmouth its a southern Appalachia area university for gods sakes. Plus, Cheek is a Gator and needs to be fired.
 
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1985Vols said:
That UT has the most stringent admissions ( besides Vandy) policy for athletes in the SEC and this is one reason Gruden was not interested. Alabama and Ole Miss have the lowest standards according to the report. As I have said before, until we get rid of Cheek ( FL Gator ) , our athletics will suffer. Check out our record in all of our sports programs since Cheek has been at UT and you will find it is the worst in school history. The ONLY decent program (male) we have right now is Swimming, yes Swimming!! Changes have to be made or we will continue to suffer at the bottom of the SEC in most sports.
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admission standards are really hurting Stanford
 
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Volnukem said:
I had a friend make a 23 on his ACT and not get into UT. I know for a fact you can get into State with less than a 20.
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The score required for admission is a function on the college you are applying to and your competition. For example: if the college of engineering has a minimum of 27 but they have twice as any applicants as slots with an average of 31, the odds are your 27 won't get you in.

That being said, a 5 star with an 18 trumps a 32 any day. :)
 
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SteveninTenn said:
Cheek is myopic and has an ill conceived plan for academics. How many regular students have been refused addmission when 10 years ago they would have been admitted? This isnt Harvard or Dartmouth its a southern Appalachia area university for gods sakes. Plus, Cheek is a Gator and needs to be fired.
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you nailed it! and +4 for recognizing gators don't need to be here.
 
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About vandie: Franklin's getting paid $3 million, mostly right out of their chancellor's slush fund. Faculty's loving that one. They have "athlete's courses" there: Human Organization & Development is really "general business". One of their players said on radio last year when asked about an engineering course: "Oh it's not really engineering, just a course for the afffletes". So get real about that. Ever since Watson Brown brought in "Peabody school" they have made exceptions like everybody else.
 
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feathersax said:
About vandie: Franklin's getting paid $3 million, mostly right out of their chancellor's slush fund. Faculty's loving that one. They have "athlete's courses" there: Human Organization & Development is really "general business". One of their players said on radio last year when asked about an engineering course: "Oh it's not really engineering, just a course for the afffletes". So get real about that. Ever since Watson Brown brought in "Peabody school" they have made exceptions like everybody else.
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exactly! cheek makes no sense. and our fan base needs to learn what is going on. if we did we would have blasted administration years ago.
 
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Athletic admission standards are different from regular admission standards, yes? This is why major-college football teams are full of (wonderfully talented) blockheads who wouldn't stand a chance of admission if they weren't football players.

Isn't there a newish graduation rule for teams: They must maintain a certain graduation rate or lose scholarships? That may explain why we've tightened standards a bit--if in fact we have. It was frankly news to me that UT had trouble getting players in--I was very surprised to hear Hart allude to it--as admissions certainly has not been a problem until recently. If in fact we have tightened standards for athletes a bit, I don't think it's our number 1 problem, by a long shot, but we should correct as we can't afford to have any disadvantages nowadays.
 
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roboturn3r said:
This is a universities football team, not the football team's university. I can't believe I'm even reading this. Notre Dame and Stanford both have "stringent" admissions, and both field top 10 teams.
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Stanford and Notre Dame do not play the schedule UT does every year either. If they did they would not have as good a record. The downfall of UT football stated with the hiring of Mike Hamilton and Jimmy Cheek. Cheek should have been fired when Hamilton was and we would be better off.:peace2:
 
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VOL01-08tn said:
I dont think we can lower our standards very much more than it already is. Check out this article.

National University | Rankings | Data | US News

Ut ranked 101st. How much lower should we go?
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This post puts this to bed.... now to our regular scheduled, end of season, coaching search..... maybe we should talk more about the standards being higher for our coaching staff admissions.....
 
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I'd rather the students be smart then athletically gifted. You know what, why don't we find some athletes who are BOTH?!

Oh no he didn't... :dance:
 
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Volnukem said:
I had a friend make a 23 on his ACT and not get into UT. I know for a fact you can get into State with less than a 20.
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This is True they made the school really hard to get into around my senior year 06. I made a 22 on my ACT and 3.0 GPA. I didn't get accepted immediatly, however I was accepted to bama and Ole Miss. Even had out of state waived at both schools. Pretty sad changes need to be made!
 
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governmentmule said:
Hart did say,that there have been problems for years,at a guess i would think that was what hurt Fulmers recruiting
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What hurt Fulmers recruiting was apathy in a different recruiting landscaping. Schools like Alabama, USC, Oregon, and LSU work harder to get the top players. The academic side is a big part but you have to put feet to the pavement 24/7 to win.
 
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TN_Vol_Fo_Life said:
You understand that the university is there for academics right? I am all for athletics but school should come first. Stanford is #8 and vandy should be ranked. It can and should be done and neither should suffer.[/QUOTE]

Are you serious? Vandy defeated ZERO teams with a winning record. Beating up on cupcakes should not get you ranked!
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Our admissions standards are not the reason for poor football performance. Dante Phillips is a recent case in point. He was cleared by the NCAA, but failed to meet Florida's admission requirements. We signed and admitted him afterwards based on our standards. Obviously, our admissions standards are lower than Florida's, in at least one respect, and yet our team's performance is much worse than Florida's.

Dante Phillips, a prized DL recruit, cleared by NCAA, but denied by Florida - NCAA Football - Sporting News
 
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