Hear today on Tenn Sports Radio [re: UT admissions standards]

[bigoleorange]

You understand that the university is there for academics right? I am all for athletics but school should come first. Stanford is #8 and vandy should be ranked. It can and should be done and neither should suffer.[/QUOTE]

Are you serious? Vandy defeated ZERO teams with a winning recorded. Beating up on cupcakes should not get you ranked!

Vandy will be ranked if they win their bowl game. They have enough votes for 28th today.
Also, if Louisville can play in a BCS game after beating nobody and losing to UConn and Syracuse by 20 teams like Vandy and Miss. State deserve top 25 consideration.

 

[bigoleorange]

Cheek needs to be terminated. There are so many reasons why he should be gone immediately. By the way, Vandy helped Franklin get some football players into school so statements about Vandy's high admissions requirements are inaccurate.

Cool story, bro.
Proof?

 

[bigoleorange]

Stanford and Notre Dame do not play the schedule UT does every year either. If they did they would not have as good a record. The downfall of UT football stated with the hiring of Mike Hamilton and Jimmy Cheek. Cheek should have been fired when Hamilton was and we would be better off.eace2:

It starts and ends with Hamilton. Hart will have us back soon.

 

[Rudy123]

Yeah but Franklin has Vandy winning now. So what does that say for us?

None of the wins that Franklin's teams got this season were against teams that are headed to bowl games.

Also, if you look at Vandy's schedule for next season, the same thing is true again.

Kentucky, Auburn, Ole Miss, U. Mass, Presbyterian. Wake Forest, Tennessee

vandy is NOT successful but they have an easy schedule. Let Vandy play UCLA, LSU, Miss St. Alabama, Clemson, etc, and they won't qualify for a bowl game.. guarantee it......

 

[Rockytop1018]

Rich Rodriguez said University of Michigan students average a 3.7 grade-point average and 1,350 on the SAT.

"That's not the average of guys on our team," he added. "I'd have the slowest team in America."

This came from a coach of a top 25 world university. Let's not kid ourselves: we haven't sucked lately because our players weren't smart enough to get in to UT. This is a ridiculous point to bring up.

 

[Smokeybluetick]

That UT has the most stringent admissions ( besides Vandy) policy for athletes in the SEC and this is one reason Gruden was not interested. Alabama and Ole Miss have the lowest standards according to the report. As I have said before, until we get rid of Cheek ( FL Gator ) , our athletics will suffer. Check out our record in all of our sports programs since Cheek has been at UT and you will find it is the worst in school history. The ONLY decent program (male) we have right now is Swimming, yes Swimming!! Changes have to be made or we will continue to suffer at the bottom of the SEC in most sports.

Gruden wasn't interested because he is making 14mil a year,period! If he comes back it will be to the NFL and one of those 10mil a year contracts! We were never in it for Gruden he has three sons from 6-14 years old that he gets to spend time with because of MNF job. Get over him and behind our Athletic Director!!! Don't believe anything that does not come from Hart's mouth because thats what he has said all along, its his search and any BS idiots like Travis spew should be immeadiatly discredited! GOVOLS!

 

[Smokeybluetick]

None of the wins that Franklin's teams got this season were against teams that are headed to bowl games.

Also, if you look at Vandy's schedule for next season, the same thing is true again.

Kentucky, Auburn, Ole Miss, U. Mass, Presbyterian. Wake Forest, Tennessee

vandy is NOT successful but they have an easy schedule. Let Vandy play UCLA, LSU, Miss St. Alabama, Clemson, etc, and they won't qualify for a bowl game.. guarantee it......

Thank you!!! Someone with a brain! Go Vols!!!

 

[Smokeybluetick]

That UT has the most stringent admissions ( besides Vandy) policy for athletes in the SEC and this is one reason Gruden was not interested. Alabama and Ole Miss have the lowest standards according to the report. As I have said before, until we get rid of Cheek ( FL Gator ) , our athletics will suffer. Check out our record in all of our sports programs since Cheek has been at UT and you will find it is the worst in school history. The ONLY decent program (male) we have right now is Swimming, yes Swimming!! Changes have to be made or we will continue to suffer at the bottom of the SEC in most sports.

This is the crap Hart said he is trying to fix,along with the money thing!! Get behind this guy and he will help us get back to respectability!! He knew these things would come up in the hiring process! Go Vols!!! ps blaming Hart for Gruden is complete nonsense!

 

[volberry]

Our admissions standards are not the reason for poor football performance. Dante Phillips is a recent case in point. He was cleared by the NCAA, but failed to meet Florida's admission requirements. We signed and admitted him afterwards based on our standards. Obviously, our admissions standards are lower than Florida's, in at least one respect, and yet our team's performance is much worse than Florida's.

Dante Phillips, a prized DL recruit, cleared by NCAA, but denied by Florida - NCAA Football - Sporting News

So, then what is ut actually doing that's hendering us academically? Because it keeps coming up.There has to be some legitimate reason.

 

[volberry]

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...g4CICg&usg=AFQjCNHYRKCvukez2bCH0wvonMjqgWYYlg

Stats on our admissions.

 

[carolinaviking]

That UT has the most stringent admissions ( besides Vandy) policy for athletes in the SEC and this is one reason Gruden was not interested. Alabama and Ole Miss have the lowest standards according to the report. As I have said before, until we get rid of Cheek ( FL Gator ) , our athletics will suffer. Check out our record in all of our sports programs since Cheek has been at UT and you will find it is the worst in school history. The ONLY decent program (male) we have right now is Swimming, yes Swimming!! Changes have to be made or we will continue to suffer at the bottom of the SEC in most sports.

Look, we're all fans of the Tennessee teams. We want them to win. But UT is a university first and a sports franchise second. Its primary purpose is to educate young people. If forced to choose between having an elite sports school or an elite institution of higher learning, I would not hesitate to choose the latter. Finding out that UT has stiffer entrance requirements than other SEC schools is good news to me.

 

[volberry]

Look, we're all fans of the Tennessee teams. We want them to win. But UT is a university first and a sports franchise second. Its primary purpose is to educate young people. If forced to choose between having an elite sports school or an elite institution of higher learning, I would not hesitate to choose the latter. Finding out that UT has stiffer entrance requirements than other SEC schools is good news to me.

the only problem is the level of education they get at ut is not even close to bama, uf, and other universities. so it's a#$backward to make it harder to get in to get less bang for your buck.

 

[UTProf]

Rich Rodriguez said University of Michigan students average a 3.7 grade-point average and 1,350 on the SAT.

"That's not the average of guys on our team," he added. "I'd have the slowest team in America."

This came from a coach of a top 25 world university. Let's not kid ourselves: we haven't sucked lately because our players weren't smart enough to get in to UT. This is a ridiculous point to bring up.

Exactly. This admissions myth simply will not die. Even schools like Hahhvaad will tweak admissions in special cases. That's the real way admissions to any school works - you can be accepted if your grades suck and your act/sat sucks on the basis of intangibles and that applies to both student athletes and regular students.

Admissions has never been a thing where you have a 4.0 and a 23 ACT and you're automatically in -- it doesn't work that way unless there are plenty of seats open and there's not a crush of applicants competing for that slot. Many things are evaluated when deciding to admit or not.

 

[m1al]

That UT has the most stringent admissions ( besides Vandy) policy for athletes in the SEC and this is one reason Gruden was not interested. Alabama and Ole Miss have the lowest standards according to the report. As I have said before, until we get rid of Cheek ( FL Gator ) , our athletics will suffer. Check out our record in all of our sports programs since Cheek has been at UT and you will find it is the worst in school history. The ONLY decent program (male) we have right now is Swimming, yes Swimming!! Changes have to be made or we will continue to suffer at the bottom of the SEC in most sports.

This...

Phil's failings in his last few years have been well documented but this sure didn't help him..

 

[dgcarter43]

Because we screen for only the most academically reputable athletes with outstanding character...

If that is true, then why does UT have the lowest graduation rate in football of all SEC teams? Check the link.
OT: Graduation rates in the SEC for 2011 | mgoblog

 

[m1al]

Look, we're all fans of the Tennessee teams. We want them to win. But UT is a university first and a sports franchise second. Its primary purpose is to educate young people. If forced to choose between having an elite sports school or an elite institution of higher learning, I would not hesitate to choose the latter. Finding out that UT has stiffer entrance requirements than other SEC schools is good news to me.

Raising or lowering the admission standards a few tenths of a points will not hinder this.. A students motivation, or lack there of, to excel and learn is the main thing that keeps him or her from getting an education..

I get sick and tired of trying to explain the benefits of an "elite" football program to academic snobs.. You would think as smart as they are supposed to be they would need no explanation..

How have those higher admission standards worked out for us so far? We are ranked academically about where our football program is, middle of the pack..

Oh yea, Bama is ranked ahead of us academically as well with lower admission standards.. Go figure..

 

[Tnrdgerunr]

That UT has the most stringent admissions ( besides Vandy) policy for athletes in the SEC and this is one reason Gruden was not interested. Alabama and Ole Miss have the lowest standards according to the report. As I have said before, until we get rid of Cheek ( FL Gator ) , our athletics will suffer. Check out our record in all of our sports programs since Cheek has been at UT and you will find it is the worst in school history. The ONLY decent program (male) we have right now is Swimming, yes Swimming!! Changes have to be made or we will continue to suffer at the bottom of the SEC in most sports.

Some excuse is better than no excuse I guess.

 

[Nocleats]

Got to play on an even field. If they are eligible by NCAA standards that should be all that Tenn requires as well. Period.

 

[ericpVOL4LIFE]

I dont think UT should begin lowering standards on or off the field .

 

[ITSGR82BATNVOL]

That UT has the most stringent admissions ( besides Vandy) policy for athletes in the SEC and this is one reason Gruden was not interested. Alabama and Ole Miss have the lowest standards according to the report. As I have said before, until we get rid of Cheek ( FL Gator ) , our athletics will suffer. Check out our record in all of our sports programs since Cheek has been at UT and you will find it is the worst in school history. The ONLY decent program (male) we have right now is Swimming, yes Swimming!! Changes have to be made or we will continue to suffer at the bottom of the SEC in most sports.

Not true, Florida's admission standards are higher than UT's. Have you forgotten about Omari Phillips already, who enrolled at UT after failing to qualify at UF? Plus Vandy didn't have any trouble kiicking UT's ass with much tougher admission standards. This thread does not have a leg to stand on.

 

[Nocleats]

If that is true, then why does UT have the lowest graduation rate in football of all SEC teams? Check the link.
OT: Graduation rates in the SEC for 2011 | mgoblog

Quite simple... Between Fulmers Firing and Lane Kiffens scorched earth policy there were many players who left school and that counts against the score.. There were only 9 Srs last year (including 4 walk ons) and only 13 this year (5 of whom were walk-ons) and there should be 20 + per year (plus walk ons) going through the T.

 

[volberry]

I dont think UT should begin lowering standards on or off the field .

i think ut should be getting better results on and off the field instead of theoretical bs that sounds good but doesn't produce anything. Teach better in class and offer better education and take the jacked up admission requirements away and hire a proven coach instead of going for these young hot shot guys who want to act like you ain't sh@t if you don't shower just so and who can't run a program! Simple.

 

[ih8danoles]

This is True they made the school really hard to get into around my senior year 06. I made a 22 on my ACT and 3.0 GPA. I didn't get accepted immediatly, however I was accepted to bama and Ole Miss. Even had out of state waived at both schools. Pretty sad changes need to be made!

a 3.0 high school GPA and a 22 on the ACT should get you denied from any university in the country that isn't going to be receiving significant funds for out of state.

Anybody who is serious about going to college could not care less how the football team at said school performs. Usually, the ranking of desired program amongst others has far more bearing. Anybody that is picking a school based solely on quality of athletic programs is probably not smart enough to be admitted to a university worth attending.

 

[InTheShadows]

Wanna know why the U.S is having trouble competing in education? We value sports over academics. To the people who want a university to lower its standards to field a better football team, that is a ridiculous notion.

1. There is no disparity between athletic and academic people. i.e you can be smart and be athletic.

2. Education is the best thing a person can receive.

I love watching UT football as much as anyone. It is exciting when the team wins, and I feel terrible when they lose. It is not the most important thing in the world.

 

[velovol]

If you have kids you call this excuse, not a reason.
Not to be a jerk but go to a fan day and visit with the players, and you will quickly realize some of 'em aint exactly splitting the atom anytime soon.
Which is fine by me, hopefully given the chance and tutoring and playing fball may allow some of them to make something of themselves