Heated exchange between Nick Saban and Paul Finebaum

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TUSKtimes said:
Words convey thoughts, knock yourself out with the semantics. A whole lot of righteous indignation for something that can't get you past the threshold of hearsay. Amazing the amount of facts you've been able to accumulate with nothing but second and third-hand information. It's almost as if you had a rooting interest in the outcome. Talk about strong emotions that can cloud your judgement.
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A of lot irony in this post.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Saban also lashed out against a reporter who dared to question why he accepted Jonathan Taylor as a transfer from Georgia after he had been charged with an assault. The SEC has since implemented a rule against allowing transfers who have pending domestic assault charges against them. His solution is to bully and intimidate the media into dropping the subject. Some people on this forum seem equally whipped. It's kind of pathetic. I don't care how many championships Saban has won, he deserves some criticism here.
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Saban is an *******, has always been an *******, and will always be an *******. Whats new?
 
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Saban is going to do what he wants to do. And given that Bama fans are going to let him do that, this all is really a mute point. However, Saban is taking a chance IF the players do not lose any game time.

If the players involved never get involved into another incident, then over time all this will be forgotten - but if the players involved at some point do something else and there was not some level of punishment related to football activity, this will come back to bite him, big time.

Public perception is NEVER the same as those close to the situation. Saban can say what he wants in an interview and defend his position, but most (outside of Alabama) will see a lack of punishment related to football activity for less than desirable activities by college football players and once again claim they received special treatment.

Maybe they learned their lesson - but I would ask how could they when their head coach is on TV telling everyone they did nothing illegal - so it was okay that they were riding around in a car with a stolen gun and illegal drugs.
 
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JackBombero said:
When they choose a highly public career path such a playing football at Bama and then are involved in a highly public arrest, yes the accountability needs to be visible to the public and not "Say sorry to your teammates" or write "I will not carry stolen firearms and use illegal substances" 100 times on the blackboard.

C'mon BW, you are supposedly in the media. I realize you are a Bama homer, but try to look at the situation impartially for a moment. If this was Auburn you'd be ripping them to shreds.
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Work thru this thought a little more. Why should it be "visible to the public?" What if the charges had stuck and the court had ordered community service?
 
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Who the frik cares about either of them. It's all a set up. Saban is working you and finebaum is working you.
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bamawriter said:
Work thru this thought a little more. Why should it be "visible to the public?" What if the charges had stuck and the court had ordered community service?
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For someone who insulted another poster for their reading comprehension, yours isn't very good. I've already answered your "why" question. Go back and read it again. And we aren't talking about what the courts would do. This is a thread about what Saban should have done.

Most football players do some form of community service as is anyways. It's not punishment, it's being a good citizen. Saban is using that as a cop-out and you know that.

Again, if this was Auburn you would be spewing vitriol at them. Or better yet, what would your stance be if this was your opening opponent, USC?
 
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JackBombero said:
Again, if this was Auburn you would be spewing vitriol at them. Or better yet, what would your stance be if this was your opening opponent, USC?
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Malzahn just revealed that 4 AU players busted for weed will not miss any time. Have you seen me criticize that decision? Were you even aware of it?
 
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Bottom line of this week's Saban appearances at Media Days is this: once again, he comes off as arrogant and opportunistic, more than happy to take advantage of a situation when it means he can put more talent on the field, and utterly uninterested in doing the right thing or holding players accountable for criminal and/or comically stupid actions.

When you think about it, he and Finebaum suit each other well. Both largely without class, both brilliantly opportunistic, neither the kind of person you'd want your children spending time with.

Saban's a brilliant football coach. But a weak example of character.

That's kind of how this week in Hoover played out for him, I think. Confirmation of things largely already known.
 
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Has anyone watched the cell phone video during the commercial break? Can't really hear what's being but what is hilarious is that nick was standing up and everyone else was sitting down. Yet they're all eye level with each other. I knew Saban was short but I didn't realize he was that short.
 
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It was a defense against prosecution in 2014 that there was no knowledge the firearm was stolen. Possessing a gun and having it under your seat is not a crime in Louisiana.

First offense for athletes being in a car with ganja where there's "someone" of 4 who brought it isn't going to get prosecuted either.

Stupid, yes. Does any of it rise to jail time? No.

Half game suspension. All involved go through training on firearms and the law. Continue a few more ride-a-longs with officers and some Boys & Girls club community service teaching the kids what they learned about not being stupid.

Saban's right. The DA's right. No need to destroy lives over this.

Unless there is proof they knew the gun(s) were stolen. Then many scenarios of criminal intent come to mind.
 
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As of 2014 Louisiana law.

(2) It shall be an affirmative defense to a prosecution for a violation of this Section that the offender had no knowledge that the firearm was the subject of any form of misappropriation.
 
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bamawriter said:
Given that I'm not the only one who responded in the same manner, perhaps your ability to convey your thoughts is the source of the problem.
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Ok Corky let me try and simplify this a little more for you. Mullen and Saban both had high profile players have incidents occur in the off season that got a lot of media coverage. Both were asked. One gave an answer in a respectful tone and demeanor and one acted like a spoiled brat who should never be put upon by common folk.
The answers given wasn't and isn't the topic it's the ACTIONS of the 2 coaches.
Now surely even a Saban kneeler like you should be able to understand. But let's be honest here, you knew what I was saying. You just lack the intellectual honesty and courage to admit the truth about the POS midget currently leading the team of the toothless nation.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Bottom line of this week's Saban appearances at Media Days is this: once again, he comes off as arrogant and opportunistic, more than happy to take advantage of a situation when it means he can put more talent on the field, and utterly uninterested in doing the right thing or holding players accountable for criminal and/or comically stupid actions.

When you think about it, he and Finebaum suit each other well. Both largely without class, both brilliantly opportunistic, neither the kind of person you'd want your children spending time with.

Saban's a brilliant football coach. But a weak example of character.

That's kind of how this week in Hoover played out for him, I think. Confirmation of things largely already known.
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Pretty spot on.
 
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ReaderVol said:
Ok Corky let me try and simplify this a little more for you. Mullen and Saban both had high profile players have incidents occur in the off season that got a lot of media coverage. Both were asked. One gave an answer in a respectful tone and demeanor and one acted like a spoiled brat who should never be put upon by common folk.
The answers given wasn't and isn't the topic it's the ACTIONS of the 2 coaches.
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I got it the first time, and I still get it now. Your position: it doesn't matter what you say as long as you say it politely. I'm not misunderstanding you.
 
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bamawriter said:
I got it the first time, and I still get it now. Your position: it doesn't matter what you say as long as you say it politely. I'm not misunderstanding you.
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Being professional and treating people with dignity is too much to ask of the highest paid coach in the country?
 
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bamawriter said:
I got it the first time, and I still get it now. Your position: it doesn't matter what you say as long as you say it politely. I'm not misunderstanding you.
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So if you didn't misunderstand my point (which I knew you didn't) then you were diverting and being intellectually dishonest (like you are in this response too). For shame bammer
 
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ReaderVol said:
Being professional and treating people with dignity is too much to ask of the highest paid coach in the country?
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So if you didn't misunderstand my point (which I knew you didn't) then you were diverting and being intellectually dishonest (like you are in this response too). For shame bammer
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It seems that I'm understanding you a lot better than you are understanding me.

Your stance: it doesn't matter what you say as long as you say it politely/kindly/professionally/nicely.

My stance: what you say matters more than how you say it.

Would it have been better if Saban had stayed cool? Absolutely. But nothing that he said was wrong.

There is nothing that about Mullen's approach that made his comments any less repulsive.
 
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bamawriter said:
It seems that I'm understanding you a lot better than you are understanding me.

Your stance: it doesn't matter what you say as long as you say it politely/kindly/professionally/nicely.

My stance: what you say matters more than how you say it.

Would it have been better if Saban had stayed cool? Absolutely. But nothing that he said was wrong.

There is nothing that about Mullen's approach that made his comments any less repulsive.
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Wow! That's not what I said at all. Perhaps I gave you too much credit. What a person says absolutely matters but that's not what I was talking about when I said Saban acts like a prick and a bully. The discussion wasn't about the substance but the posturing.
If the discussion was about the substance of the answers I would have mentioned what each said. Notice I didn't? I was talking about how (yet again) the mean little midget was a prick once again because he was asked a question (a legit question) that he didn't want to talk about. Now do you understand there Corky?
 
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ReaderVol said:
Wow! That's not what I said at all. Perhaps I gave you too much credit. What a person says absolutely matters but that's not what I was talking about when I said Saban acts like a prick and a bully. The discussion wasn't about the substance but the posturing.
If the discussion was about the substance of the answers I would have mentioned what each said. Notice I didn't? I was talking about how (yet again) the mean little midget was a prick once again because he was asked a question (a legit question) that he didn't want to talk about. Now do you understand there Corky?
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There is nothing that you are saying that I don't understand. You keep repeating the same thing and I've been accurately paraphrasing it over and over:

"Mullen > Saban because Mullen was nice. What either man said is irrelevant."

There is no other way for anyone to interpret what you're saying. If you mean anything other than that, then you need to really think through how it is that you're articulating your argument. It is not an issue of me failing to comprehend.

I think you are a reasonable guy. I mean that. I think you have chosen a terrible comparison. I know what you are trying to say, but your example completely undermines your entire point.
 
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bamawriter said:
There is nothing that you are saying that I don't understand. You keep repeating the same thing and I've been accurately paraphrasing it over and over:

"Mullen > Saban because Mullen was nice. What either man said is irrelevant."

There is no other way for anyone to interpret what you're saying. If you mean anything other than that, then you need to really think through how it is that you're articulating your argument. It is not an issue of me failing to comprehend.

I think you are a reasonable guy. I mean that. I think you have chosen a terrible comparison. I know what you are trying to say, but your example completely undermines your entire point.
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LOL you're good. I get the "change the subject" approach. And I do think you know what I'm saying and trying to push it to the substance issue. I have no issue agreeing with what Mullen said was horrible. But that's not the issue being discussed and you know it. Yet you keep up the good fight.
However that doesn't change the fact that Saban is a bully and pushes so many of the weak members of the media around. He is the epitome of the "Napoleanic complex".
 
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ReaderVol said:
LOL you're good. I get the "change the subject" approach. And I do think you know what I'm saying and trying to push it to the substance issue. I have no issue agreeing with what Mullen said was horrible. But that's not the issue being discussed and you know it. Yet you keep up the good fight.
However that doesn't change the fact that Saban is a bully and pushes so many of the weak members of the media around. He is the epitome of the "Napoleanic complex".
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So when you think about Paul Finebaum, Collin Cowherd, Jim Rome, Danny Kanell, Clay Travis and on and on, are they are not standing in the ultimate bully pulpit? They do nothing but bait and attack through innuendos, misinformation, and half-truths. Shock jocks that get to do their thing on national TV and radio, hit and run bullies of a kind.

It's nothing less than dog eat dog in the sports realm and you're overwhelmed at the idea that Saban actually hurt some of these sport-sharks feelings. Frankly, that qualifies as good sports TV these days and Finebaum pretty much got what he wanted.
 
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