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stolitonic said:
As 05 already pointed out, Phoenix is not a backwater any longer. Between Phoenix itself growing, Intel setting up shop in Chandler, and a large number of things in Glendale that area is booming

Every school worth their salt has a scout pretty much dedicated to the Phoenix high schools

You're starting to see quite a few QBs coming out of that area vs SoCal also. Slovis at Pitt and I believe Spenser Rattler are two current examples.
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As I mentioned earlier, the perceptions that many of you have of the Phoenix area are humorous. They're also very uninformed. Phoenix is the 5th largest city in the U.S. by population as of the 2020 census. The population of the Phoenix metropolitan area is higher than the Nashville, Memphis and Knoxville metro areas combined. Also, this isn't a new phenomenon due to the rapid growth in the last 10-20 years. The Phoenix metro area has had a larger population than the major metropolitan areas of Tennessee dating back to the 1970's and 1980's.
 
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Vol423 said:
As I mentioned earlier, the perceptions that many of you have of the Phoenix area are humorous. They're also very uninformed. Phoenix is the 5th largest city in the U.S. by population as of the 2020 census. The population of the Phoenix metropolitan area is higher than the Nashville, Memphis and Knoxville metro areas combined. Also, this isn't a new phenomenon due to the rapid growth in the last 10-20 years. The Phoenix metro area has had a larger population than the major metropolitan areas of Tennessee dating back to the 1970's and 1980's.
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Look at the current rates of population growth in Phoenix versus other major metro areas. That's what I'm getting at. People are moving out of the major metros of the Northeast/Upper Midwest and moving to places like Phoenix. I know that Phoenix was not a desert outpost in 1980.

Of the top 10 MSAs in the United States, the only ones that grew from 2020 to 2021 were Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, and Phoenix, with Phoenix growing the fastest.

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05_never_again said:
Look at the current rates of population growth in Phoenix versus other major metro areas. That's what I'm getting at. People are moving out of the major metros of the Northeast/Upper Midwest and moving to places like Phoenix. I know that Phoenix was not a desert outpost in 1980.

Of the top 10 MSAs in the United States, the only ones that grew from 2020 to 2021 were Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, and Phoenix, with Phoenix growing the fastest.

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I know. I wasn't responding to your post. I was responding specifically to stolitonic's quote that "As 05 already pointed out, Phoenix is not a backwater any longer."

You didn't say that. He did, and it's woefully uninformed. The Phoenix area is growing incredibly rapidly, and it has been since the 80's. However, it was already larger by population than the major metro areas of Tennessee in the 1970's. Phoenix hasn't been a backwater in well over 50 years.
 
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05_never_again said:
Look at the current rates of population growth in Phoenix versus other major metro areas. That's what I'm getting at. People are moving out of the major metros of the Northeast/Upper Midwest and moving to places like Phoenix. I know that Phoenix was not a desert outpost in 1980.

Of the top 10 MSAs in the United States, the only ones that grew from 2020 to 2021 were Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, and Phoenix, with Phoenix growing the fastest.

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No question that Phoenix is growing but will the snowbirds support ASU football, especially with the Cardinals there. D/FW is much larger and still growing. UNT, SMU and TCU get no support from the locals (Dallas Cowboy country). SMU and TCU's saving grace is that billionaire alums continue to pump money into those programs. Also, SMU and TCU are located in the middle of some of the most fertile recruiting grounds in the country. ASU has it work cut out for it.
 
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BUBear said:
No question that Phoenix is growing but will the snowbirds support ASU football, especially with the Cardinals there. D/FW is much larger and still growing. UNT, SMU and TCU get no support from the locals (Dallas Cowboy country). SMU and TCU's saving grace is that billionaire alums continue to pump money into those programs. Also, SMU and TCU are located in the middle of some of the most fertile recruiting grounds in the country. ASU has it work cut out for it.
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I think they would if they were good. I've never gotten the impression that the Cardinals have a rabid Eagles or Steelers-type fanbase. When Washington football is good they get good fan support even with the Seahawks being right in town. There are also a ton of Saints in NOLA who are LSU fans.

Arizona might be a little more challenged since they are a basketball school, but it isn't like football isn't popular in that part of the country.
 
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05_never_again said:
I think they would if they were good. I've never gotten the impression that the Cardinals have a rabid Eagles or Steelers-type fanbase. When Washington football is good they get good fan support even with the Seahawks being right in town. There are also a ton of Saints in NOLA who are LSU fans.

Arizona might be a little more challenged since they are a basketball school, but it isn't like football isn't popular in that part of the country.
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No sports teams or universities here have a rabid fan base. One of the VERY big players in that phenomenon is that the overwhelming majority of people in the Phoenix area are transplants from other areas, and they generally already have sports allegiances before they move here. That is now starting to change with the younger generations. However, you would almost never meet a native Arizonan back in the 1980's.

While football is popular in the West, it is not a way of life like it is in the South.
 
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Man I remember with Edwards at ASU and Sumlin at Arizona there was some excitement that both were going to turn around those programs and 4 years later both are gone. Edwards at least got to 3 bowls.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Man I remember with Edwards at ASU and Sumlin at Arizona there was some excitement that both were going to turn around those programs and 4 years later both are gone. Edwards at least got to 3 bowls.
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Honestly, neither ASU or U of A have ever had great football teams. The pinnacle for ASU was probably when Jake Plummer was their quarterback in the mid-90's. They were good, but nowhere close to great. One of my best friends bet me in Jake Plummer's rookie year in the NFL that he would have a better NFL career than Peyton Manning. Whenever he gets too full of himself these days, I bring up that prediction.

The pinnacle for the University of Arizona was when they were preseason #1 in the nation and appeared on the cover of Sports Illustrated in 1994 with their Desert Swarm defense. That team didn't live up to the hype.
 
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Vol423 said:
Honestly, neither ASU or U of A have ever had great football teams. The pinnacle for ASU was probably when Jake Plummer was their quarterback in the mid-90's. They were good, but nowhere close to great. One of my best friends bet me in Jake Plummer's rookie year in the NFL that he would have a better NFL career than Peyton Manning. Whenever he gets too full of himself these days, I bring up that prediction.

The pinnacle for the University of Arizona was when they were preseason #1 in the nation and appeared on the cover of Sports Illustrated in 1994 with their Desert Swarm defense. That team didn't live up to the hype.
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I remember a few years ago Khalil Tate for Arizona was on the cover of SI and was a Heisman hopeful but kind of fizzled out by his senior season.
 
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Vol423 said:
Honestly, neither ASU or U of A have ever had great football teams. The pinnacle for ASU was probably when Jake Plummer was their quarterback in the mid-90's. They were good, but nowhere close to great. One of my best friends bet me in Jake Plummer's rookie year in the NFL that he would have a better NFL career than Peyton Manning. Whenever he gets too full of himself these days, I bring up that prediction.

The pinnacle for the University of Arizona was when they were preseason #1 in the nation and appeared on the cover of Sports Illustrated in 1994 with their Desert Swarm defense. That team didn't live up to the hype.
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Arizona State went 12-0 and won the Western Athletic Conference in 1975 beating 8-4 Nebraska 17-14 in the Fiesta Bowl. 1970 Arizona State went 11-0 winning the Western Athletic Conference Championship beating 8-4 North Carolina 48-26 in the 1970 Peach Bowl. San Diego Chargers and Green Bay Packers WR John Jefferson played on the 1975 Arizona State team and Dallas Cowboys QB and Punter Danny White played for the 1970 Arizona State team.
 
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Yes, ASU had very good teams in the 70’s that didn’t get recognized by the press in the east. Frank Kush built those teams; tough, physical teams that outworked their opponents.

Beautiful growing area but I’m not sure football is as ingrained in their high schools as it is in the southeast. Not sure how conference realignment will affect Arizona and Arizona State.
 
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Jeff Clark said:
Arizona State went 12-0 and won the Western Athletic Conference in 1975 beating 8-4 Nebraska 17-14 in the Fiesta Bowl. 1970 Arizona State went 11-0 winning the Western Athletic Conference Championship beating 8-4 North Carolina 48-26 in the 1970 Peach Bowl. San Diego Chargers and Green Bay Packers WR John Jefferson played on the 1975 Arizona State team and Dallas Cowboys QB and Punter Danny White played for the 1970 Arizona State team.
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I didn't realize that Danny White played for ASU.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I didn't realize that Danny White played for ASU.
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Yeah Danny White quarterbacked Arizona State to an 11-1 record in 1971 winning the WAC Championship beating 8-4 FSU in the 1971 Fiesta Bowl 45-38. Danny White also guided Arizona State to a 10-2 record in 1972 winning the WAC Championship and winning the 1972 Fiesta Bowl 49-35 over 6-6 Missouri.
 
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The Athletic reported that an unnamed opposing coach informed them that somebody within ASU's ranks was handing out intel to opposing teams in order to expedite the process of ousting Herm.
 
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OldandStillaVol said:
Yes, ASU had very good teams in the 70’s that didn’t get recognized by the press in the east. Frank Kush built those teams; tough, physical teams that outworked their opponents.

Beautiful growing area but I’m not sure football is as ingrained in their high schools as it is in the southeast. Not sure how conference realignment will affect Arizona and Arizona State.
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The HS football here is just fine, the problem is they have 2 in-state programs fighting over the top recruits, and neither can keep them. For example, Chandler HS is a powerhouse who has had 12 NFL players and only 3 went to ASU, and 1 went to U of A. Not one of the top 16 recruits from 2022 stayed in state. They haven't kept a top 13 recruit in-state since 2018.
 
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n_huffhines said:
The HS football here is just fine, the problem is they have 2 in-state programs fighting over the top recruits, and neither can keep them. For example, Chandler HS is a powerhouse who has had 12 NFL players and only 3 went to ASU, and 1 went to U of A. Not one of the top 16 recruits from 2022 stayed in state. They haven't kept a top 13 recruit in-state since 2018.
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Ouch...I just looked at 2022 and didn't realize it was that bad.
 
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