Herman Cain

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lawgator1 said:
But then later Cain came back and said it wasn't a joke and he'd consider it.
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What he said was that he wasn't backing away from it . . . As in, he believes strongly in securing the border. Then in the debate he outlined how bed advocate a combination of fencing, virtual fencing and boots on the ground.
 
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milohimself said:
Don't see it holding up in a month. Still can't shake the feeling that they're just going through every possible option before settling with mitt at the end of the night.
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Why would conservatives EVER settle for Mitt if they don't like Obama?

Buchanan has a piece suggesting a third party splinter if Mitt is the nominee. I know I will be looking for someone to vote for.
 
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lawgator1 said:
But then later Cain came back and said it wasn't a joke and he'd consider it.
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We have a fence with armed guards around the WH. Some protected habitats have fences with armed guards who can shoot if you don't obey orders to stop. Nuke plants have armed patrols using M-16's who can shoot anyone trying to break in. Various facilities have electrified fences to protect them.

Why is it only considered something "awful" or cruel when we are defending the border from people illegally crossing? Especially considering that some come for the express purpose of breaking other laws?

Illegal immigration from Latin America needs a 3 prong solution. One, we need them. So set up Ellis Island type operations along the border to efficiently in-process those coming to work. Two, it needs to be difficult to cross illegally. If that means an electrified fence... then let that be it. If there is a reasonable legal way then no one should care, right? Third, drop the hammer on people who hire illegals OR GOV'T AGENCIES THAT GRANT THEM BENEFITS.
 
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sjt18 said:
Right... and ssspppp.... they aren't racists... in fact, they really, really like Cain.
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you don't think the tea party could get behind cain? I would be interested to hear your take on it ..


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I think the TP and like minded conservatives are the strength of Cain's rise and for that same reason believe he will not fade unless someone else makes a really strong move or he blows up.

Sorry if that didn't come across in my attempt to be a little sarcastic.
 
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Sounds like Cain is about to water down 999 with different tax brackets and exemptions at the bottom. I think he would have been better off to frame the plan as a starting point rather than tailoring it with specifics. Now it will just get killed all over again.
 
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GAVol said:
Sounds like Cain is about to water down 999 with different tax brackets and exemptions at the bottom. I think he would have been better off to frame the plan as a starting point rather than tailoring it with specifics. Now it will just get killed all over again.
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You are probably right. But he started the conversation and can maybe say "I heard the concerns and while I won't budge on principle the details are flexible".

I hope anyway. He's the only one out of this group other than Newt that I think could do the job well... and Newt would have constant PR problems.
 
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GAVol said:
Sounds like Cain is about to water down 999 with different tax brackets and exemptions at the bottom. I think he would have been better off to frame the plan as a starting point rather than tailoring it with specifics. Now it will just get killed all over again.
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I agree.
 
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Strategy idea: Cain should start charging the media with racism every time they criticize him. It would be interesting to see how they reacted.

Nah... I want the guy to win straight up without playing those DISHONEST games.
 
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sjt18 said:
Strategy idea: Cain should start charging the media with racism every time they criticize him. It would be interesting to see how they reacted.

Nah... I want the guy to win straight up without playing those DISHONEST games.
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You don't want him to be a politician? Fancy that.
 
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sjt18 said:
You are probably right. But he started the conversation and can maybe say "I heard the concerns and while I won't budge on principle the details are flexible".
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I agree. Taking the "This is how you solve problems and lead" tact would be a solid move.
 
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WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain tweaked his signature "9-9-9" tax plan on Friday to exempt the poorest Americans from paying an individual flat tax of 9%. Cain's plan came under heavy fire from fellow candidates as well as some analysts, who said it would disproportionately burden low- and middle-income households. The former Godfather's Pizza chief executive's plan calls for a 9% sales tax, a 9% corporate tax and a 9% personal income tax.
 
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myrobbins7 said:
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain tweaked his signature "9-9-9" tax plan on Friday to exempt the poorest Americans from paying an individual flat tax of 9%. Cain's plan came under heavy fire from fellow candidates as well as some analysts, who said it would disproportionately burden low- and middle-income households. The former Godfather's Pizza chief executive's plan calls for a 9% sales tax, a 9% corporate tax and a 9% personal income tax.
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I never understood why he didn't do this to begin with. He's a Fair Tax advocate and there's a built in exemption up to the poverty line in that plan.
 
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GAVol said:
I never understood why he didn't do this to begin with. He's a Fair Tax advocate and there's a built in exemption up to the poverty line in that plan.
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Just saw an interview with the guy that masterminded 999. It turns out that none of this is really new and it's been in the plan all along. They just hadn't rolled out the specifics, but were forced to by the attacks.
 
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GAVol said:
Just saw an interview with the guy that masterminded 999. It turns out that none of this is really new and it's been in the plan all along. They just hadn't rolled out the specifics, but were forced to by the attacks.
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Yeah, we always had that in there. That's the ticket.
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lawgator1 said:
Yeah, we always had that in there. That's the ticket.
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It did sort of have that sound to it at first, but I know for a fact that the "3-3-3" zones have always been in there, and the "9-0-9" part makes sense exempting income up to the poverty level since that's what the Fair Tax does basically.
 
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I think the 9-9-9 plan sounds ok in its first phase... it's the second phase that has me very wary. They eliminate two of the nines and the national sales tax can jump up as high as 28%. Outside of slamming the lower middle class, the other thing is the fact that we conservatives have been railing that taxes should equal no more than 18% of GDP. I know it won't be quite 28% of GDP but it looks to me like it'd be far more than 18...

Cain Adds To ?9-9-9? Plan, Angering Unions | Fox News

The key bit is about 13 paragraphs down:

Such a tax is widely characterized, including by the Cain campaign on its website, as “the fair tax.” When Phase One ends and Phase Two begins, this national sales tax, in becoming a fair tax, jumps considerably from its original 9 percent rate. As explained on the website fairtax.org, longtime proponents of the fair tax estimate it could reach 30 percent; Cain’s advisers put the figure at 23 or 28 percent, depending on how one runs the numbers.

Basically in ways it's a nice start, but I guess I'm more of a proponent of a "flat" income than this. I would like to see the IRS and the political hammer it is be abolished, but not to something that can be just as bad.
 
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