Herman Cain

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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I like his 9,9,9 plan. Don't care for his past history with the Federal Reserve.
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If I end up paying 18.25% sales tax in Tennessee then I will start my own campaign of going door to door asking if anyone in the house voted for Cain and beating the responder to death with a baseball bat if they say yes.
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Calculon said:
If I end up paying 18.25% sales tax in Tennessee then I will start my own campaign of going door to door asking if anyone in the house voted for Cain and beating the responder to death with a baseball bat if they say yes.
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well aren't you just a classy POS
 
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Calculon said:
If I end up paying 18.25% sales tax in Tennessee then I will start my own campaign of going door to door asking if anyone in the house voted for Cain and beating the responder to death with a baseball bat if they say yes.
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If the market brings prices down and you my personal rate is only 9%, i'll gladly take the beating.
 
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MG1968 said:
well aren't you just a classy POS
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I would hope that you could tell I was exaggerating. Needless to say, I won't be voting for the man, but you'll be relatively safe if you do. I believe that such a high sales tax rate encourages those with more money to spend less and those with less money to be hit in the face with a new tax that bleeds their already strained wallets of every last dime. I am sure those in higher brackets love his plan. There are plenty of pros to his plan, but I don't think it would be good for the economy overall. I am just not overwhelmed by any of these candidates and I am certainly not impressed with Obama. Is this really the best we can do?
 
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Calculon said:
That is an idealized situation. Those usually don't happen.
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No it isn't. The price point is what it is.

If you go to Portland then over into Vancouver, Wa, you will find that Vancouver merchants have to price their goods lower. Washington has (or used to have) a sales tax only. Oregon has (or had) an income tax only. The prices were adjusted.

People from Seattle would drive to Portland to shop because their prices did not adjust as much so you could get good deals. If the tax was nationwide, sellers would very quickly adjust pricing to match the optimum sell point... which will NOT be as high as it was.
 
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volinbham said:
I'm more concerned with the general election where he'll be painted as an extremist or as Joe Klein did, a moron.
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LOL. A guy who built a career on turning around failing organizations was painted as a "moron" by Joe Klein... I understand the power of a propagandist but that is pretty ridiculous.
 
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volinbham said:
They will actively go after Cain. They would only passively go after Romney and many would probably support him.
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Which is all the more reason NOT to support Romney.

Yes. They will actively go after Cain like bounty hunters went after run away slaves. They can't stand the idea of a black man escaping the plantation. All the more reason to support him.
 
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sjt18 said:
Which is all the more reason NOT to support Romney.

Yes. They will actively go after Cain like bounty hunters went after run away slaves. They can't stand the idea of a black man escaping the plantation. All the more reason to support him.
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And...he celebrates.....like a slave who made it to the north.

sweet papi johnson.
 
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myrobbins7 said:
Mr. Cain speaking his mind.

Herman Cain: Jesus Was Killed By A 'Liberal Court'
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If all the "stuff" Obama or people close to him have said or done does not bother people... then this certainly shouldn't.

And fwiw... the comparison isn't entirely invalid. Jesus WAS killed by those who were afraid the people they controlled were being liberated and turning away from them. The Jewish leaders were used to being the absolute authority for the people. Read the NT... their hatred for Jesus stems directly from their fear of losing that power. He told the people they did not have to take everything the leaders said as authoritative. He told them not to depend on them. He told them to be free and responsible for themselves before God.

That's constitutional conservatism in a nutshell.
 
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sjt18 said:
If all the "stuff" Obama or people close to him have said or done does not bother people... then this certainly shouldn't.

And fwiw... the comparison isn't entirely invalid. Jesus WAS killed by those who were afraid the people they controlled were being liberated and turning away from them. The Jewish leaders were used to being the absolute authority for the people. Read the NT... their hatred for Jesus stems directly from their fear of losing that power. He told the people they did not have to take everything the leaders said as authoritative. He told them not to depend on them. He told them to be free and responsible for themselves before God.

That's constitutional conservatism in a nutshell.
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jesus was a jew, but weren't the roman masters pagan?
 
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GAVol said:
Joke
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hmmm seems to be backtracking... Will be interesting to see this play out.

PHOENIX - After first apologizing for suggesting an electric fence along the border, Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain told reporters here Monday that he still thinks it's a good idea for controlling illegal immigration.

"I'm not walking away from that," he said.

Cain has spent the last several days explaining a controversial comment about building an electrified fence along the U.S. - Mexico border that he said could kill people trying to enter the country illegally. On Sunday, he said his comments were "a joke." But talking to reporters here after a meeting here with Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who has made a national reputation for cracking down on illegal immigrants, Cain reversed course.

Initially Cain apologied when told his remarks had upset some in the state. "Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea culpa," he said, using the Latin formula for expressing contrition. But when a reporter challenged his description of his comments, saying he didn't seem to be telling a joke, the retired pizza executive acknowledged: "You're right." He said he still believes in the need for a border fence "and it might be electrified."
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We are watching him transition -- and struggle -- from a guy who thinks what he thinks into becoming a politician, trying to satisfy everyone, explain contradiction, and straddle too many fences (pun intended).
 
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Calculon said:
That is an idealized situation. Those usually don't happen.
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I don't think it's nearly as pie in the sky as some seem to think. The plan is oversimplified but the sales tax part is being greatly distorted.
 
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GAVol said:
This is the problem with Cain when he speaks off the cuff. I get it but some don't and others pretend not to.
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Stylistically, he is best when he does. Like Newt.

Substantively, though, they both tend to get themselves in a wee bit of trouble....
 
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KiffinKiller said:
jesus was a jew, but weren't the roman masters pagan?
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The Romans allowed many of their conquered countries to rule their domestic affairs themselves. The Herods were not accepted by the Jews as legitimate but they did convince the Romans that they were entitled to the Jewish throne. The real governing authorities were the Pharisees, Scribes, and Sadducees who occupied most if not all of the seats on the governing council- the Sanhedrin.

Remember that Pilate allowed Christ to be crucified in exchange for the release of Barabbas per a custom... The Jews had already convicted Him of blasphemy and beaten Him. They were not allowed to formally execute anyone though.
 
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BTW, 999 will continue to drive Cain's campaign. He will continue to get a chance to explain and defend. The guy has a backbone so IMO that increases his chances of surviving the attacks.

In a practical sense, 999 won't pass as he proposes it. However it will shift the tax structure debate radically in the right direction... flatter, lower, more transparent, more growth oriented.

Bachmann lost more credibility with me saying it was not an economic plan. One of the primary ways the Federal gov't impacts the economy is through the tax code... and its current complexity.
 
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sjt18 said:
The Romans allowed many of their conquered countries to rule their domestic affairs themselves. The Herods were not accepted by the Jews as legitimate but they did convince the Romans that they were entitled to the Jewish throne. The real governing authorities were the Pharisees, Scribes, and Sadducees who occupied most if not all of the seats on the governing council- the Sanhedrin.

Remember that Pilate allowed Christ to be crucified in exchange for the release of Barabbas per a custom... The Jews had already convicted Him of blasphemy and beaten Him. They were not allowed to formally execute anyone though.
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ya, as you can most likely discern - I'm not familiar with the beginnings of christian history. I followed Rome a bit - specifically the Pontic Wars, but am more interested in Napoleonic era/Eastern history.
 
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