Heupel on players entering transfer portal

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titansvolsfaninga said:
I wouldn't say greed. If anything player/person isn't happy with their situation, why would they stay? Everyone's situation is different. I'm not staying at a job because they're having a company luncheon.
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Most of the players are relying on a combination of people. For some, it is their parents: others it is handlers/managers/agents to give them advice. Those who handlers, managers and agents ,must realize that the incentives of those people are to to make as much money as possible for themselves and not take into account of the experiences the players can and should also experience. Many of them will never have the experience of playing for a National Championship.
 
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wmcovol said:
I don’t like it but coaches quit in the middle of a playoff first. Hell, Cutcliffe quit Tennessee before the NC game in ‘98.
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I think he would have stayed for the NC game had Fulmer asked him to stay. I'm pretty sure I've read that they talked about it
 
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Voltopia said:
Okay but none of that has to do with Tennessee anymore. Cheering for the kids matriculating at a school is vastly different from cheering for pro players cashing checks for a sports exhibition. It completely changes the proposition of the product.

Not for everyone, I realize. But it will not be the same product anymore. And losing all the collegiate aspects of it would render it meangingless as a representation of Tennessee. Not to mention being the same sterile corporate paste you get from your typical pro sports franchises. Not that they aren't doing their damndest to get there faster. Oh well. Again, the TV money made it inevitable.
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Most other "NFL lite" leagues fold from lack of an audience. College has a built in audience attached to "dear old State U" but it's been functioning as a bit of a ruse at major schools who've been paying players, been getting kids accepted in school under dubious scores, been getting them through school with enormous tutoring, etc.

When I was in Lexington and was able to see Rex Chapman driving an AMG Mercedes, it was clear then that school was an afterthought. He was a professional basketball player.

The veneer is off now.
 
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I’d at least ride it out until the season ended, but whatever. There are always those that don’t fit in or feel like they aren’t a part of the team.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
Would you stay in a relationship that you're not happy with all because they are going on a family vacation?
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GordonC said:
where dey goin?
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Yeah. Nothin' says you gotta come back with 'em!

I think that's why you see so many crazy news stories that start with "Florida man..."
Families on vacation just leave the ones they can't deal with.
 
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BruisedOrange said:
They would go after whoever would respond to the offer. First teamers are the least likely.

What we fans under-value is what it means in practice to not have high quality second-teamers daily going against our defense. That's a loss that compounds daily.

The loss of depth to accommodate injuries (which are almost sure to happen with this brutal extension of the schedule against the best opponents) is a factor which will maximize luck--or reward the richest teams which can heavily NIL their 2nd and 3rd team players.
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The only thing that makes sense about how NIL and CFP have been designed and arranged is if the goal is to destroy college football as we've known it. Smart, experienced people whose first job is risk management of a multi-billion dollar confluence of industries do not make mistakes as obvious as what we've seen.

There were always better, fairer ways to pay players. The drive for a championship playoff system only meets a temptation, not a need. It's cost to players health and future earning potential has been calculated, but ignored.

Who actually benefit$ from it? Do players... or corporations and institutions? Don't undervalue the social benefits derived from arguing--for years--about which team was best in a given year, as we did under the old bowl system. Those arguments provided a camaraderie between all fans, across the nation. More importantly, it left intact many levels of "success" for each team's season. Now, not even being champions of the premier conference in college football means anything, if it doesn't lead to the one, big trophy. That is not what real life is like.

My gut says this train wreck was intentional, in order to establish the need for whatever follows. I have no idea what that will be, except that it evidently would not have been acceptable before this train wreck.
[conspiracy rant/off]
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Superbly stated. If the current transfer portal and NIL system has communicated nothing else with searing clarity, it is the fact that, all too frequently, a player’s commitment to a given university, his program, and, arguably, even his own teammates is tissue-paper thin. As much as we enjoy watching these supremely talented athletes compete, the raison d’etre for universities IS NOT to provide a minor league for would-be professional athletes. It is to educate and, even there, all too many of them have devolved into indoctrination factories.

Whether the long-term consequences of this trajectory are deliberate, the proverbial powers-that-be are not giving due consideration to the fact that we actually CAN survive without collegiate, let alone professional sports, regardless of how much we have invested historically, emotionally and financially into our respective allegiances. It remains to be seen how much longer the current structure can or will survive, but the average American simply cannot empathize with someone who, for example, is contractually obligated to receive $765 million over 15 years, ultimately to play a child’s game.

With respect to Heupel, I would say that he is probably doing as good a job of maintaining a relative sense of program stability as can be done.
 
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This era will last until more money can be made. Soon a 16 team play off will bring more money to the schools than going to the Reliabowl. They lure fans in, get them excited that a 16 seed is in the play offs and might win the NC.
Just look, how much difference is there in being a college player now, and being a pro player. The fun stops when a ticket for the Vols is $200 and up, they want a donation to make improvement (and add NIL money) and soon you’re spending $1,000 to take your family to one game.
 
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titansvolsfaninga said:
I wouldn't say greed. If anything player/person isn't happy with their situation, why would they stay? Everyone's situation is different. I'm not staying at a job because they're having a company luncheon.
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I agree with you first sentence, but after that???

Playoff is to football what a company luncheon is to a job?

Well.......ok
 
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Actually universities have it made. Fans pay the salaries, pay for the stadium upkeep, and pay the NIL group to pay the players. Better than a pro league. All incoming without any outgoing.
 
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volfan102455 said:
So a player goes into the portal but stays with the team and if the run is into late January? Not sure how this would correlate to the timeframe necessary for a player to enroll in a new school or the school at which they are playing to bring in new players.
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The timing is tight, but the NCAA allows for extra time (5 days) for players from playoff teams to enter the portal. Unfortunately, a player may want to enter early to give them the best chance of being picked up by another team.
 
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lilesrt said:
This is what money does.
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Money is not the problem. Money was always involved.

The complete openness of the transfer portal needs to be rethought and will be in the next couple of years. I do think an athlete shouldn't be trapped at one school to waste away on the bench when they could be getting playing time (and more importantly, first team reps). Hopefully we will see changes to say the first time you transfer there will be no penalty/wait time. Your second transfer should cost you a year of eligibility or maybe some buyout type clause.

But to reiterate, money is not the problem, regardless of what is repeated. Money has long played into the decision of high schoolers when choosing a school and thinking otherwise is naive. Money is also why we have been able to close the gap on the top of the heap competitors in getting athletes here. Obviously there are other reasons, like there always has been but money is not the only reason to change schools.
 
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It ain’t rocket science. It’s the opportunity for mo money and/or more playing time. The problem is the window they’ve set up that limits the players. It’s not fair to the coaches and their teammates with the season in process and now an Important game to play. Shouldn’t be able to declare until after the season is over. If they want to go after the season, so be it.
 
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General Jack said:
People smarter and more competent than the NCAA need to fix this fast.

IMO players should be employees of the university and have contracts, even if they are one year and renewable. Can't have players up and quitting middle of season.
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I wouldn't want a player on the team that wouldn't want to play and compete in the playoffs.
 
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