Heupel on players entering transfer portal

#76
#76
All NIL contracts should have as part of the guaranteed money "stay bonuses" which includes playoffs and/or bowl games.
I agree with that but on the other side of the coin the players should be liable for breach of contract and pay back the money already given in the nil deal unless the contract specifically states they are free agents after a certain point. And it really doesn’t matter if the player is responsible or the team signing them that pays back the money spent on them. Kind of like professional sports.
 
#77
#77
I know it's easy to think all these cases are simply money grabs/chasing the biggest bag, but some of these are guys who genuinely just wanting an opportunity to play, and for one reason or another, that opportunity isn't going to happen at Tennessee.

Most of those guys aren't good enough or haven't produced enough to just up and name their next destination, so they have to get out there early to make it known their intention to transfer and find their best fit before spots fill up. If Mike Matthews entered the portal, he could just about have his pick of schools any time, but Kaleb Webb probably doesn't have that luxury. If he sticks it out thru the CFP only to continue contributing at a minimal level, a lot of potential doors for him may close in the meantime.

So, for guys like Webb and Chas Nimrod, I have no issue with them making an early decision.
 
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Its a job. End of discussion
This is where anyone with any sense of business or finances knew this was going.

You can like it or hate it, but it's not going back. I do think there are ways to encourage players to stay, just like coaches have buyouts, bonuses for post season wins, etc.
 
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Superbly stated. If the current transfer portal and NIL system has communicated nothing else with searing clarity, it is the fact that, all too frequently, a player’s commitment to a given university, his program, and, arguably, even his own teammates is tissue-paper thin. As much as we enjoy watching these supremely talented athletes compete, the raison d’etre for universities IS NOT to provide a minor league for would-be professional athletes. It is to educate and, even there, all too many of them have devolved into indoctrination factories.

Whether the long-term consequences of this trajectory are deliberate, the proverbial powers-that-be are not giving due consideration to the fact that we actually CAN survive without collegiate, let alone professional sports, regardless of how much we have invested historically, emotionally and financially into our respective allegiances. It remains to be seen how much longer the current structure can or will survive, but the average American simply cannot empathize with someone who, for example, is contractually obligated to receive $765 million over 15 years, ultimately to play a child’s game.

With respect to Heupel, I would say that he is probably doing as good a job of maintaining a relative sense of program stability as can be done.
That contract to Soto will go down as one of the worst contracts ever given. The guy will be 41!! At the end of the contract. They better win something with him in the next 4-5 years because after that they will paying a DH the richest contract in sports. It’s just a matter of time before some dumb owner or GM offers 1 billlion dollars. You have got to love and respect the ATL Braves for building their farm system and not making dumb financial decisions most of the time. Do I hate to see Fried headed I think I seen the Yankees but no way Atlanta should paid him what the Yankees did. They can have him especially coming off a major injury.
 
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#80
No, They shouldn't be on contracts. They are free to leave if they see fit. I'm not a fan of holding people hostage if they want to leave.
Right now is the worst of both worlds.

The current system isn't about "name, image and likeness" at all. Otherwise, any and all deals would be handled through a player and their agent. No, we have a glorified free agent system under the guise of NIL... without the protections a free agent system requires.
 
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#81
It's really weird how much support transfers get. Seems like a minimum wage mind set to me... blahh blahh blah coaches can leave blahh blahh...
Put them on contracts. End this garbage, if they want to leave... BUYOUT. It's a business now.. Run it like one.
 
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#83
I don’t like it but coaches quit in the middle of a playoff first. Hell, Cutcliffe quit Tennessee before the NC game in ‘98.
Didn’t Saint Nick quit on the Dolphins during the season to go to High Tide land? Thinking it was for four million a year and he now calls players greedy?
 
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This is where anyone with any sense of business or finances knew this was going.

You can like it or hate it, but it's not going back. I do think there are ways to encourage players to stay, just like coaches have buyouts, bonuses for post season wins, etc.
This gives me hope we DO have a few adults posting on this subject, thanks!
 
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Nah this is one of those let's laugh at them when the real joke would be on us. Please don't spread this.
 
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Interesting approach by the ASU coach, "Our guys have the opportunity to stay on our football team, and they're like, 'We'll go in (the portal) at the end,' and I go, 'No, that's not fair to you to go in after our run is over. I want you to have the best opportunity to find a spot. You can go in day one right now, we'll help you find a spot and stay on our football team if you want to stay on our football team and let's go on this ride together the rest of the way."

This is the only approach a coach should have.
 
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#87
Coaches been doing it for decades….and the schools.
Coaching is a profession. College football USED to be an amateur sport that players voluntarily participated in to earn a cash free college education and develop life skills such as leadership, sacrifice, teamwork, selflessness, etc. For decades that was seen as a fair transaction but somewhere along the way avarus, greed, self-centeredness, etc all in pursuit of the mighty dollar perverted the sport. I'm still enjoying the product, no question. But it's no longer college football. It's a different sport now.
 
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Agreed. The courts determined that the NCAA's business model of forced loyalty and forced lack of monentary compensation was restricting student athletes illegally.

It turns out, the courts were right. Given their rights, the student athletes are using them.

America. A great country.
The NCAA and Presidents of major universities screwed this up so epically due to their bureaucracy and lack of vision. They destroyed the amateurism model all by themselves not only for college but even high schools. Had the NCAA done something as simple as establish a trust and/or allow institutions to do it that would compensate student athletes for their NIL upon graduation perhaps all this could have been avoided.

An institution of higher education should not be the grounds for compensating a student for a voluntary opportunity like competing in athletics. But we are where we are now. Hopefully there can be some sort of guardrails put in place that are fair and equitable and brings some sanity to this, because right now we have nothing but chaos. Right now we have some college players that are making more than NFL players who will never even make it to the NFL. That’s messed up.

One thing to keep an eye is if we continue on this pace, public institutions like UT could lose their tax exempt status. So what’s UT and other going to do? Extricate the sports from the school and license the name to another entity to run it? I don’t think Presidents are going to like the Frankenstein they’ve created.
 
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So if they guy building your house, providing your healthcare, fixing your car just decided they wanted to leave you'd be cool with that?

And if you got up in walked in the middle of a project with others depending on you, you'd feel good with that?
That stuff actually happens too.
 
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The NCAA and Presidents of major universities screwed this up so epically due to their bureaucracy and lack of vision. They destroyed the amateurism model all by themselves not only for college but even high schools. Had the NCAA done something as simple as establish a trust and/or allow institutions to do it that would compensate student athletes for their NIL upon graduation perhaps all this could have been avoided.

An institution of higher education should not be the grounds for compensating a student for a voluntary opportunity like competing in athletics. But we are where we are now. Hopefully there can be some sort of guardrails put in place that are fair and equitable and brings some sanity to this, because right now we have nothing but chaos. Right now we have some college players that are making more than NFL players who will never even make it to the NFL. That’s messed up.

One thing to keep an eye is if we continue on this pace, public institutions like UT could lose their tax exempt status. So what’s UT and other going to do? Extricate the sports from the school and license the name to another entity to run it? I don’t think Presidents are going to like the Frankenstein they’ve created.
The problem is, as we all know, these NIL deals aren't NIL deals at all but "pay for play" which means the players are actually employees.

I don't think anyone thinks Nico has an actual NIL value of millions. Obviously, someone like MJ or Shaq CAN claim that but the QB who just flipped to MI for $10M????? C'mon, that's not NIL, that's pro sports.

The schools need to get out of the pro sports business and NEVER should've gotten in the pro sports business by making enormous media deals.

Before NIL, before Alston, the schools chose to defy the NCAA and start signing media rights deals. The NCAA sued and lost and schools and conferences started signing richer and richer media deals. The NCAA TRIED to prevent college sports from becoming a major sports business and failed.

With huge media money riding on the quality of the football and basketball, the "pay to play" was inevitably going to get out of hand. With NIL, it's in the open and the market for talent is booming.

It is totally contrary to the tax exempt status of schools. They ARE in the pro sports business. It's not going to end well if they stay in that business.
 
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Rule should be:

Can a coach do it?

If yes, so can the player.

Period.

Ask yourself why you would put a restriction on a player you wouldn't have on a coach.
 
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The problem is, as we all know, these NIL deals aren't NIL deals at all but "pay for play" which means the players are actually employees.

I don't think anyone thinks Nico has an actual NIL value of millions. Obviously, someone like MJ or Shaq CAN claim that but the QB who just flipped to MI for $10M????? C'mon, that's not NIL, that's pro sports.

The schools need to get out of the pro sports business and NEVER should've gotten in the pro sports business by making enormous media deals.

Before NIL, before Alston, the schools chose to defy the NCAA and start signing media rights deals. The NCAA sued and lost and schools and conferences started signing richer and richer media deals. The NCAA TRIED to prevent college sports from becoming a major sports business and failed.

With huge media money riding on the quality of the football and basketball, the "pay to play" was inevitably going to get out of hand. With NIL, it's in the open and the market for talent is booming.

It is totally contrary to the tax exempt status of schools. They ARE in the pro sports business. It's not going to end well if they stay in that business.

I openly laughed at that. Not laughing at YOU, just the statement, because all fans might make that statement. But the moment you say it, then think of coaches' salaries, administrators' salaries and perks, and booster benefits, you realize this was ALWAYS a business, albeit one not so carefully disguised as 'education'.

I disagree with the Stone brothers on a lot, but South Park nailed the college sports world a few years back. Cartman got it.

 
#97
#97
I wouldn't say greed. If anything player/person isn't happy with their situation, why would they stay? Everyone's situation is different. I'm not staying at a job because they're having a company luncheon.
Can’t compare this to company luncheon. Also, nothing keeps them from entering portal later.
 
#98
#98
The problem is, as we all know, these NIL deals aren't NIL deals at all but "pay for play" which means the players are actually employees.

I don't think anyone thinks Nico has an actual NIL value of millions. Obviously, someone like MJ or Shaq CAN claim that but the QB who just flipped to MI for $10M????? C'mon, that's not NIL, that's pro sports.

The schools need to get out of the pro sports business and NEVER should've gotten in the pro sports business by making enormous media deals.

Before NIL, before Alston, the schools chose to defy the NCAA and start signing media rights deals. The NCAA sued and lost and schools and conferences started signing richer and richer media deals. The NCAA TRIED to prevent college sports from becoming a major sports business and failed.

With huge media money riding on the quality of the football and basketball, the "pay to play" was inevitably going to get out of hand. With NIL, it's in the open and the market for talent is booming.

It is totally contrary to the tax exempt status of schools. They ARE in the pro sports business. It's not going to end well if they stay in that business.

I would say it’s more akin to the wild West than pro sports. Even the NFL has contracts with set number of years required and minimums and maximum salary for first year players.
 
#99
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Rule should be:

Can a coach do it?

If yes, so can the player.

Period.

Ask yourself why you would put a restriction on a player you wouldn't have on a coach.

Players don’t currently have any restrictions. And coaches have contracts. There are stipulations or penalties if a coach doesn’t fulfill the terms of the contract. For example CJH’s contract had a buyout of $8M originally. Reduced by $2M each beginning last year. I don’t think you’re making the argument you think you are. It’s unclear if any players would have to pay back NIL money for leaving since it’s not public - which is another problem. If the players are employees then they work for the state and all payment must become public record. But again right now there are basically no rules. Not even so much as guidelines.
 
Greed knows no limits. Kids are gonna think short term and go for the cash. If they want to hit the portal, good riddance.
 

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