Hey alleged Christians ....

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#126
Vercingetorix said:
Nothing like driving by a church on Sunday morning and seeing a parking lot full of Mercedes Benzes and BMWs. The Gospels certainly make it clear that Jesus would have thought it's awesome to spend fifty thousand dollars on a car while people are poor in your city.

It's great how Christians can talk themselves into justifying the enormous amounts of money they spend on themselves. Apparently what's in the Bible is a lot more figurative than a lot of them would like to admit.
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Congrats, you cast the first stone, you must be sinless.

You know nothing of those people besides the fact that they are at church on Sunday
 
#127
#127
BigPapaVol said:
What does that have to do with Christians?

Would also be a problem if you were measuring relative wealth in America for something other than a ridiculous political argument. Otherwise, the only worthwhile measure is true wealth and you don't seem to be bothering with pesky notions like that or QoL. The class warfare argument seems to fit your point better, even though it is of almost no use at all.
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My argument is NOT that they should give more in church, or in community programs, or to panhandlers on the street.

My argument is NOT that they must pay more in taxes.

Rather, my argument is that the conservatives in this country -- very much in general -- have within their philosophy a disconnect between proclaiming a certain moral superiority based on religious tenets, but then having it be a hallmark of their cause that greed is good.
 
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#128
lawgator1 said:
My argument is NOT that they should give more in church, or in community programs, or to panhandlers on the street.

My argument is NOT that they must pay more in taxes.

Rather, my argument is that the conservatives in this country -- very much in general -- have within their philosophy a disconnect between proclaiming a certain moral superiority based on religious tenets, but then having it be a hallmark of their cause that greed is good.
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I would take a look in the mirror at your govt tenets
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#129
#129
lawgator1 said:
My argument is NOT that they should give more in church, or in community programs, or to panhandlers on the street.

My argument is NOT that they must pay more in taxes.

Rather, my argument is that the conservatives in this country -- very much in general -- have within their philosophy a disconnect between proclaiming a certain moral superiority based on religious tenets, but then having it be a hallmark of their cause that greed is good.
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they are already being forced to send 35%+ to the gov't for these social programs. How much more do you really want them to give? How much do you give?
 
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#130
The scariest thing in this entire conversation is that people are for limiting the freedom of choice. I should have the freedom to choose to help someone or not. I should also have the choice not to help someone who has no desire to be helped.
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#131
DinkinFlicka said:
Which part? Because a human with no Abrahamic conviction technically has zero obligation to aid his fellow man.
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I don't agree with most of the rant:

1. I believe an obligation to aid your fellow man is a condition of being human and is not tied to whether or not you are a Christian.

2. The notion that owning a $50K car means you are a hypocrite only if a Christian.

3. The notion that there is some standard of giving that is required; presumably giving the majority of your wealth if you are a Christian

4. The gross generalization that all Christians fit the description provided in the rant.

So there may be a small grain of truth in the statement but it surrounded by gross stereotyping, generalization and religious bigotry.

I could go on. (in the interest of full disclosure I would characterize my religious belief as Deist)
 
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#132
utvolpj said:
they are already being forced to send 35%+ to the gov't for these social programs. How much more do you really want them to give? How much do you give?
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Yeah, the govt is a great facilitator.....great track record
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lawgator1 said:
My argument is NOT that they should give more in church, or in community programs, or to panhandlers on the street.

My argument is NOT that they must pay more in taxes.

Rather, my argument is that the conservatives in this country -- very much in general -- have within their philosophy a disconnect between proclaiming a certain moral superiority based on religious tenets, but then having it be a hallmark of their cause that greed is good.
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Im still not convinced you understand these.
 
#136
#136
lawgator1 said:
My argument is NOT that they should give more in church, or in community programs, or to panhandlers on the street.

My argument is NOT that they must pay more in taxes.

Rather, my argument is that the conservatives in this country -- very much in general -- have within their philosophy a disconnect between proclaiming a certain moral superiority based on religious tenets, but then having it be a hallmark of their cause that greed is good.
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I see now - only conservatives are rich, religious and take advantage of the tax code. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
#137
#137
OsbourneBROS83 said:
Ok well technically there is the social contract means to live by if you are not a follower of a religion...no?
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Dude, really? Because I don't believe in a god or a set of laws in religious text, I'm sill obligated to obey a THEORY? That's stupid.

The only laws I try to follow are those of the land, and even then I break those I deem to be unjust and silly. As far as charity, I do help out when I am able, but there is no way you can tell me I'm obligated to do so. I never vowed to do so. I never subscribed to a creed that says I should.

If you WANT to live by a Socratic theory, be my guest. I am in no way obligated to.
 
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#144
volinbham said:
I don't agree with most of the rant:


2. The notion that owning a $50K car means you are a hypocrite only if a Christian.


4. The gross generalization that all Christians fit the description provided in the rant.
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volinbham said:
I see now - only conservatives are rich, religious and take advantage of the tax code. Thanks for clearing that up.
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No, no. I'm not saying that only conservatives are stingy when it comes to charity.

What I am saying is that conservatives who brag about, tout, or lord over others some sort of moral superiority based on being Christian may have some 'splainin to do.
 
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#146
BeecherVol said:
Im still not convinced you understand these.
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Well, if you are wrong about what seem to be fairly categorical statements you wouldn't be the first Christian to manipulate what is right in front of him to justify what you really want to do.
 
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#149
wow still having a tough time with the whole government vs Christians thing. Sad thread
 
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#150
utvolpj said:
wow still having a tough time with the whole government vs Christians thing. Sad thread
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Try to forget the government angle and focus on this:

1. Perry and Bachmann say that they are Christian conservatives and that is why Republicans should vote for them.

2. Both advocate social constructs that promote accumulation and maintenance of wealth.
 
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