Hey coach worshippers...

[BeecherVol]

I think both of the freshmen are talented. Trent Dilfer said both are BCS caliber quarterbacks. But I think a freshman starting in the SEC is the exception not the rule, especially if they weren't in the two deep coming out of fall practice.

Tennessee has one redshirt freshman and two true freshman QBs on the QBroster, do you really want another one, and could you recruit one that could come in and start next season?

This is an interesting discussion IMO.

Heres what I have gathered from what I have seen regarding the current and future of the QB spot.

1. The staff sees Worely as the best option despite snatching a start away from him at UF, coupled with everything we have seen on the field.

2. Its obvious (from the staffs stand point) that the FR are not in the ballpark given some of the QB play we have witnessed to this point with neither getting a sniff.

3. Im not a recruiting guru by any stretch but it appears that we have been selective in QBs with this current class, with no one on the current radar that I have seen.

Having said all of that, one has to kind of wonder what the future looks like. This season is pretty cut and dry going forward IMO. I dont think you see a FR taking meaningful snaps this year short of Worely being injured or pulling a Peterman for an extended period of time Anyone that follows football with any sense knows that its not ideal in anyway to start your average FR at QB, but given some of the play we have witnessed its hard to figure out how far behind you have to be to not really be on the radar either. Biggest question for this staff in the short future.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Saban lost to La Tech at HOMECOMING in his first year, after suspending a player for the game and then letting him play in the second half in an act of desperation....and STILL losing!

Are bammer fans happy with Saban?

Did Alabama not kick the crap out of TN that year? I think the score was 41-17.

 

[NickZ4UT]

Kiffin just got fired from talent pool USC and look what they did with Crompton? Took awhile didn't it. People that expect this staff to get Poorley to goodness after 3 games are stupid and will never be satisfied with a coach.

It took half the season for Crompton to come around, but the thing is, he was a guy tailor made for Kiffin's system. Worley (I hate those stupid nicknames) was recruited by a different coach for a different system. I don't think he's a bad kid, he just hasn't had an opportunity to develop in any system for his entire career, much like the rest of the team.

 

[vollygirl]

Did you actually read the OP in any of those threads you linked? I clicked on the first three of those links and nowhere did I see anyone say "coaches aren't accountable for what happens on the field". I'm not going to bother clicking on the rest but feel free to paste a quote if you can find one. Also, please post a couple for me that say it's "ridiculous to ever criticize coaches" because I'd like to jump in that discussion also.

And just to be clear, I don't agree with any threads which state coaches aren't accountable and shouldn't be critiqued any more than I agree with silly call out threads like yours.

You keep referring to your point in the OP, and I'm not sure what the point of the thread is, that's why I've asked you numerous times now. It's obviously my fault for assuming you had a point aside from asking Vol fans to speak on behalf of every other fan base in the country.

Based on this post I thought maybe you wanted to discuss some of your concerns, but again, my fault for assuming. This is strictly a coach worshipper call out thread so let's stay on track. I get it.

So, now that I realize your question wasn't rhetorical, would you like a full list of every Division I team whose fan bases would be pleased, or are we just talking BCS teams? Because if you want legitimate answer then, by all means, let's make a list. Better yet, you give us your list and we will let you know whether or not we agree. That seems fair. It would surely get the specific answer to your OP that you are so desperately yearning for.

Once you post your list, as a full-fledged coach worshipper, I will be sure to respond, since that's the intent of the thread and all.

:clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

 

[therickbol]

Why, why, why is rational, analytical thinking based on facts so difficult for the masses of UT football fans that have Internet access and a volnation account. Its embarrassing to all get lumped together by association. Guess it is really just a microcosm of society and I really should not even be surprised. Sorry for the brief interruption, you may now go back to your incessant toddler temper tantrums caused by you being passionate about something that you do not understand beyond the surface layer.

 

[BanditVol]

Did Alabama not kick the crap out of TN that year? I think the score was 41-17.

lol! What the hell does that have to do with anything?

 

[deaconkane]

Who is happy with yesterday's performance? Everyone knows this is unacceptable for the program. The expectations are very high for the University of Tennessee. However, you can't have high expectations for this current group because they aren't very good. You can't blame the coaches for bad players not executing simple plays. Did that answer your question? If not, I don't see how anyone can.

And again. We are that bad because of players? So cbj Would have won if he coached s Alabama? We have 1* talent. Thats what you are saying? We arent talking Georgia or LSU, we are talking about s Alabama. We have 3x the talent they do.

 

[Freak]

This is an interesting discussion IMO.

Heres what I have gathered from what I have seen regarding the current and future of the QB spot.

1. The staff sees Worely as the best option despite snatching a start away from him at UF, coupled with everything we have seen on the field.

2. Its obvious (from the staffs stand point) that the FR are not in the ballpark given some of the QB play we have witnessed to this point with neither getting a sniff.

3. Im not a recruiting guru by any stretch but it appears that we have been selective in QBs with this current class, with no one on the current radar that I have seen.

Having said all of that, one has to kind of wonder what the future looks like. This season is pretty cut and dry going forward IMO. I dont think you see a FR taking meaningful snaps this year short of Worely being injured or pulling a Peterman for an extended period of time Anyone that follows football with any sense knows that its not ideal in anyway to start your average FR at QB, but given some of the play we have witnessed its hard to figure out how far behind you have to be to not really be on the radar either. Biggest question for this staff in the short future.

I agree on all counts. I'm just not overly concerned that the freshmen aren't ready yet, like some posters are. Some feel it may be an indicator of a lack of talent, and while that's certainly possible, I don't believe that to be the case.

My real question, and maybe this is what you were alluding to, is what happens next year should we have two redshirt fresmen on the roster next year along with a more experienced Worley? Are we looking at this same scenario playing out all over again?

 

[Sudden Impact]

No, why would my criticism or praise incite them to anything?

I'm just for stating the obvious, like when you see a poorly prepared, poorly disciplined team floundering around with an ineffective game plan, you might attribute some of that to coaching, instead of just coming up with excuses, blaming the players, calling other posters names, etc.

Most coaches who get jobs know how to win (I know recent experience at UT has shown otherwise, but trust me, that's usually the way it happens), it doesn't mean that they'll be able to conquer a bigger challenge like winning in the SEC or rebuilding a program.

I think if you could say or question without all the arrogant, down your nose and know it all attitude you might get somewhere....

But seriously you don't care about that...it is the your way or the highway....Intentional. maybe not. Ignorant when it comes to dealing with others yes...

There are several issues regarding the state of the program and to a degree everyone is accountable including fans.

The problem with you is that I believe you ask questions to promote disruption and chaos. You are content with arguing with anybody that crosses your path or thinks differently....

What's funny even if everybody agreed with you and we ranted and raved about the coaches accountability without any discussion of firing....It gets us nowhere but more volatile and it accomplishes zero.

So the way I see it, you believe it is productive to cite on a board and mess a bunch of non creditable opinions about a topic that no one knows anything about or can verify because they are not on the team coaching staff or employed by the Athletic Department....

Your threads/actions sound like you got seriously Butt hurt by CBJ. Criticize CBJs all you want, call him out, not worried about firing him. This just shows the type of person you are by doing so especially when you have to hide behind a screen name to do it.

 

[Sudden Impact]

I agree on all counts. I'm just not overly concerned that the freshmen aren't ready yet, like some posters are. Some feel it may be an indicator of a lack of talent, and while that's certainly possible, I don't believe that to be the case.

My real question, and maybe this is what you were alluding to, is what happens next year should be have two redshirt fresmen on the roster next year along with a more experienced Worley? Are we looking at this same scenario playing out all over again?

I really wish we could answer that question, I like to think he maybe protecting them by holding them out. Really with the exception of the Austin Peay game there has been no place to get them into a game. Worley goes down, Peterman not available...Baptism by fire.

Next year is a concern but hopefully enough practices between now and then to sort it all out....

 

[BeecherVol]

I agree on all counts. I'm just not overly concerned that the freshmen aren't ready yet, like some posters are. Some feel it may be an indicator of a lack of talent, and while that's certainly possible, I don't believe that to be the case.

My real question, and maybe this is what you were alluding to, is what happens next year should be have two redshirt fresmen on the roster next year along with a more experienced Worley? Are we looking at this same scenario playing out all over again?

Your last paragraph has run through my mind. If that is the approach we better hope Worely makes some major strides because he will be put in the drivers seat to retain his job by getting on the field experience.

As Lex posted in another thread I thought we may see more consistent play by this point in the season. Hes not getting a lot of help, but hes not capitalizing on his chances that much either.

Perfect scenario, Worely finds a consistent game that makes the passing game a threat and graduates a starter. You get to RS your FR this year and work toward your replacement for Worely in 15 between now and then. Could still happen I guess, but Im losing faith in that working that way.

 

[Doyle Hargraves]

I would like to take a timeout from this discussion to point out that this thread is a monumental moment in VN history. Over the years there has been a long list of labels that have become part of the everyday VN terminology. The Fulmerites, the Negavols, the Posivols, the Sunshine Pumpers, and with this thread the term Coach Worshippers has been born.
Truly a red letter day.

 

[Freak]

Your last paragraph has run through my mind. If that is the approach we better hope Worely makes some major strides because he will be put in the drivers seat to retain his job by getting on the field experience.

As Lex posted in another thread I thought we may see more consistent play by this point in the season. Hes not getting a lot of help, but hes not capitalizing on his chances that much either.

Perfect scenario, Worely finds a consistent game that makes the passing game a threat and graduates a starter. You get to RS your FR this year and work toward your replacement for Worely in 15 between now and then. Could still happen I guess, but Im losing faith in that working that way.

Yep.

 

[therickbol]

This is an interesting discussion IMO.

Heres what I have gathered from what I have seen regarding the current and future of the QB spot.

1. The staff sees Worely as the best option despite snatching a start away from him at UF, coupled with everything we have seen on the field.

2. Its obvious (from the staffs stand point) that the FR are not in the ballpark given some of the QB play we have witnessed to this point with neither getting a sniff.

3. Im not a recruiting guru by any stretch but it appears that we have been selective in QBs with this current class, with no one on the current radar that I have seen.

Having said all of that, one has to kind of wonder what the future looks like. This season is pretty cut and dry going forward IMO. I dont think you see a FR taking meaningful snaps this year short of Worely being injured or pulling a Peterman for an extended period of time Anyone that follows football with any sense knows that its not ideal in anyway to start your average FR at QB, but given some of the play we have witnessed its hard to figure out how far behind you have to be to not really be on the radar either. Biggest question for this staff in the short future.

I think this is a topic that has so many dynamics. And we do not truely know which dynamic is most important to CBJ and this staff. Two factors that (just my opinion) might be big factors with the freshman (1) worried physically about them getting injured with them being so frail (2) they will not be put into a 'position to succeed' with the current state of supporting cast and he does not want them to look bad and that worry our incoming class. Right now the freshman QB's can be talked up to the incoming recruits.

 

[tnlizard]

No doubt coaches and players at some point are held accountable. If one considers where we are in the season I would say your name is right next to the definition of irrational in the dictionary. I do not think you are considering the current situation. Proves a point I would say.

 

[Buddr]

If we explain it to you, you wouldn't understand anyway. You and I am sure others on here are only happy when your hearing Fire Fire Fire. Give the man some time, if we keep hiring coaches we will never establish a system. I like winning to but some people on this board are just unrealistic with expectations of wins and loses. I know they didn't play well in the second half of the South Alabama game but are we the only team to ever have a let down against a lesser opponent I think not, and guess what it won't be the last time either. So quit taking whatever it is that makes you think hiring and firing coaches is the answer to every question and is the cure all.

 

[InVOLuntary]

lol! What the hell does that have to do with anything?

Really???? You have to ask?

 

[Orangeslice13]

I don't know, maybe because you would report me to me.

Feel free to call me out if I need to be reported. I'll gladly put myself in timeout. :lol:

My new lifes mission.

 

[smokeyhuntsgators]

I'm not happy with the situation this team is in or the closeness of the game yesterday. Hell, no one really is happy about it. The fact that many of the impatient bastards refuse to acknowledge is what a clusterfawk of a place this program has been lowered to. There is no doubt that we should have "out talented" USA yesterday, but that talent we have has been riddled with the cancer of losing the past few years. They don't know what it's like to be a winner or what it takes. Tennessee's problem goes way beyond X's and O's. It has just as much to do with revamping their entire mentality. The only things that will achieve this is time and the addition of new talent. Take a look at our recruiting class. Butch is handling the talent part. It's up to us to handle the time.
If you find yourself incapable of giving it time, then that is up to you. Will Butch be the answer? I don't know, but you have to give him more than five games to accomplish the goal. If you can't do that then perhaps you don't have the stomach for a major rebuilding process and you would be better off supporting an established program like bama or Oregon.

Nice post, Doyle.:good!:

 

[TN1]

I think we've found our long term coach in Butch Jones, but I think he made a big mistake not taking the redshirt wrapper off of either Dobbs or Ferguson. If Worley has to leave one of the next big ball games for any reason, one of our true freshmen will take the field without the experience of a single snap. As for Worley, I think he should have been pulled a few times in the South Alabama game. (Would love to have Metheny as a Big Orange QB - gives it his all). Ok, Pig missed a route, but Worley overthrew and under threw many a pass that if caught would have kept critical drives going and would have put more points on the board - points we're absolutely going to need against the likes of Georgia.

 

[Pig Skin]

Your last paragraph has run through my mind. If that is the approach we better hope Worely makes some major strides because he will be put in the drivers seat to retain his job by getting on the field experience.

As Lex posted in another thread I thought we may see more consistent play by this point in the season. Hes not getting a lot of help, but hes not capitalizing on his chances that much either.

Perfect scenario, Worely finds a consistent game that makes the passing game a threat and graduates a starter. You get to RS your FR this year and work toward your replacement for Worely in 15 between now and then. Could still happen I guess, but Im losing faith in that working that way.

I don't see both QBs sticking around under this scenario.

 

[kell7517]

I keep seeing you guys whine about all the "crazy" "irrational" fans who dare to hold the coaches accountable for the performance of the team. So, I was wondering if you geniuses could tell me what other major college football programs' fans would be happy with the coaching staff after narrowly avoiding a loss to S. Alabama?

Go on, I'm really curious.

USA's last drive was an attempt to tie the game, so loss is a little much fella. Oh and we stopped that, won the game and are now preparing for Georgia.. Have a good day sir:good!:

 

[GolfvolSC]

If "fans" get this pissed after a win, imagine how angry they'll be after the next 3 losses...

Humm, I see what ya did right there!!! 😂 Is this real life??

 

[mccrackb]

You don't think there's a roster issue, at all?

How should he change the offense to adapt?

I guess you could call it a roster issue as Butch doesn't have a qb to run this type of offense. So he can either keep running it and hope the defense holds an SEC team to 19points or he can try another quarterback who has more mobility. The way it's looking, he doesn't have that so run the dam ball and stop having Worley continuing the play out. He's not going to keep the ball, so he's either scared or not in the right offense. If he doesn't try a freshman, then what does that give us to look forward to, another spring competition where Worley wins the position again. He's in a tough position, but we need more offense and moxie than what has been displayed thus far.

 

[livefaith]

i keep seeing you guys whine about all the "crazy" "irrational" fans who dare to hold the coaches accountable for the performance of the team. So, i was wondering if you geniuses could tell me what other major college football programs' fans would be happy with the coaching staff after narrowly avoiding a loss to s. Alabama?

Go on, i'm really curious.

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