Holly Warlick

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Tennessee must do two or three things to get back to the top:

1) UT made its name with tough, physical, aggressive defense. We have lost that in recent years: The Vols have become way too SOFT on defense. The "defense" in the ND game was embarrassing, and same with Missouri. To get better defensively, we've got to recruit and develop good guards. Simmons and Massengale have talent, have qualities, but neither of them is a real good defender. Neither is Spani. This is a problem.

2) Improve the half-court offense. This has been a problem for years. UT needs to move the ball faster and more efficiently, become a better passing team. This team, and many others before it, tends to make three or four passes and then the offensive set breaks down, for reasons unclear to me, and somebody ends up taking a rushed shot or bad shot. The better the opponent, the more one notices the half-court offense problem.

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#79
I think Holly will do well. She learned at the feet of the master. Now granted, Holly is no experienced Pat, but neither was a young Pat.

It takes time to develop a head coach and bringing in much needed post help in the number #1 recruit has to be encouraging.

Holly has been here through the good times and lean times and she wiil do just fine.

We couldn't win it all recently with what 8 HS AA so let's give her some time.
 
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I'm seriously thinking that Holly is just not HC material.

She goes to battle against Missouri with a depleted roster, her team plays like crap and she continues to not play fresh bodies (Moore & Phillips) any minutes at all. WTF?

She misses the opportunity to call effective timeouts in EVERY game. She fails in game prep & also during games to make adjustments...


I'm thinking she has one more year and it's bye bye Holly.
 
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gule said:
I'm seriously thinking that Holly is just not HC material.

She goes to battle against Missouri with a depleted roster, her team plays like crap and she continues to not play fresh bodies (Moore & Phillips) any minutes at all. WTF?

She misses the opportunity to call effective timeouts in EVERY game. She fails in game prep & also during games to make adjustments...


I'm thinking she has one more year and it's bye bye Holly.
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You need to re-think your thinking........
 
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If you have a solid reason, lets hear it.

Holly has yet to beat even one solid team, and will probably not the rest of the year. I wish I was wrong but I'ma frayed knot... heh!
 
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Georgia barely beat South Carolina, and their best win so far is against a Ky team that lost to Baylor by >30.


Georgia is an awfully weak team.
 
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CHW will do well in the future,the injury bug has bitten and it probably isn't going to be pretty the rest of the season,unless somebody can step up in the post,with Izzy out and Moore not seeing any playing time,i've no idea who it can be,

and don't forget,it it is very young team,that is going to have to play with a short bench,i think some are starting to run out of gas as it is getting deep into the season,i would like to see them carry more players on the roster as others have mentioned,so a couple of injuries doesn't cripple the team,CHW need to carry a few diamonds in the rough so to speak,i remember something being said for the short roster years ago,it is so recruits will know there is playing time available,if your good enough
 
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gule said:
Georgia barely beat South Carolina, and their best win so far is against a Ky team that lost to Baylor by >30.


Georgia is an awfully weak team.
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We have beaten 4 top 25 teams and a couple of others that were in the top 25 when we played them. GA is ranked in the top ten now BTW.

Pat wouldn't have beaten Baylor or ND either with this squad. She might have put one on Stanford though and likely would not have dropped a couple of the other games. But that is if she was in her prime and not as she was near the end. Of the coaches we had a reasonable chance of getting Holly has done as good a job as any of them would have done and better than most.

I think we will do well not to come apart down the stretch. We really just don't have enough bodies to win out, or even enough to scrimmage with for that matter. We have 6 players who are not battling fairly serious injuries that limit what they can do. You are going to get your wish and we will see more of Phillips and maybe Moore if no one gets better in a hurry. Phillips looked like she had improved some in her last outing so she might be coming around at the right time. Moore still just looks lost.

I picked us to have ten regular season losses going into the season based on who we had coming back. So far we have exceeded expectations. With the injuries though I could see us losing any or all of the remaining games.

Tough season but this bunch has played nearer their abilities than any team we have had in 5-6 years. That is about all anyone can ask. And Holly needs to get some credit for that. I am sure she is still improving but so far the results have been better than expected.

The next step for her is to salvage what she can of this season and then load up on talent in this next recruiting class. Then we can see if she can get us back in the top five in a year or two. Those are reasonable goals.
 
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Voluble2 said:
We have beaten 4 top 25 teams and a couple of others that were in the top 25 when we played them. GA is ranked in the top ten now BTW.

Pat wouldn't have beaten Baylor or ND either with this squad. She might have put one on Stanford though and likely would not have dropped a couple of the other games. But that is if she was in her prime and not as she was near the end. Of the coaches we had a reasonable chance of getting Holly has done as good a job as any of them would have done and better than most.

I think we will do well not to come apart down the stretch. We really just don't have enough bodies to win out, or even enough to scrimmage with for that matter. We have 6 players who are not battling fairly serious injuries that limit what they can do. You are going to get your wish and we will see more of Phillips and maybe Moore if no one gets better in a hurry. Phillips looked like she had improved some in her last outing so she might be coming around at the right time. Moore still just looks lost.

I picked us to have ten regular season losses going into the season based on who we had coming back. So far we have exceeded expectations. With the injuries though I could see us losing any or all of the remaining games.

Tough season but this bunch has played nearer their abilities than any team we have had in 5-6 years. That is about all anyone can ask. And Holly needs to get some credit for that. I am sure she is still improving but so far the results have been better than expected.

The next step for her is to salvage what she can of this season and then load up on talent in this next recruiting class. Then we can see if she can get us back in the top five in a year or two. Those are reasonable goals.
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good post :)
 
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Either Tennessee needs to hire a real big time coach or scale things back to save $$$. I would really consider finding an up and coming Coach from the high school ranks in a big time program, and paying her $100k a year plus bonuses. The lady vol sheep will come no matter what, so attendance will not drop off. Then you schedule more regional out of conference games to save money as well. No reason to play Stanford and other teams that you are not going to beat anyway.

No reason to keep pouring money down a black hole on a non-revenue sport. IF they decide to hire a Caldwell or another Coach that can prepare, then do so and keep things rolling. If not lets save the cash....
 
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RAISEDINTHE70S said:
Either Tennessee needs to hire a real big time coach or scale things back to save $$$. I would really consider finding an up and coming Coach from the high school ranks in a big time program, and paying her $100k a year plus bonuses. The lady vol sheep will come no matter what, so attendance will not drop off. Then you schedule more regional out of conference games to save money as well. No reason to play Stanford and other teams that you are not going to beat anyway.

No reason to keep pouring money down a black hole on a non-revenue sport. IF they decide to hire a Caldwell or another Coach that can prepare, then do so and keep things rolling. If not lets save the cash....
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Clueless.... I'm actually embarrassed for you.
 
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Give Holly and this team a chance!

If you look at history, Holly is doing a better job than a lot of the more established head coaches when they first started out.

If you look at coaches like Geno they didn’t start off their head coaching careers as national champions either. According to Wikipedia, Geno started coaching at U Conn in 1985 and that year was a losing year, 12W-15L. The 1986-87 year was a bit better for him with a 14W -13L., etc. He appeared to get better with time and by his 4th year at U Conn (1988-89) he got his team to the NCAA 1st round (well, whoop-tee-do) (I’m not a fan of Geno’s at all). Pat won the NC that year and she had already won a NC in 1986-87.

Pat struggled too at first and she was dealing with a lot more issues when she started out in the 70s than Geno could probably ever imagine, with her being a woman and forging a path for other coaches to follow in women’s basketball.

Heck, even Holly’s motorcycle riding buddy, Nikki Caldwell-a former Lady Vol, struggled her first year at LSU with a 23W-10L in 2011. (I like Nikki a lot. She’s got a lot of class.) She also appeared to struggle her first year at UCLA with a 19W -12L. Apparently, her team has been bitten by the injury bug as well this year. So, she’s going through about the same thing as Holly.

Get behind your coach and get behind your team!

Go Lady Vols!
 
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RAISEDINTHE70S said:
What would be your suggestion genius?:loco: keep HW and continue to get out-coached? Blame injuries all you want, no one was injured when Chattanooga hammered us.
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This only reinforces what I said earlier. You really should stop before you embarrass yourself further. If you had watched every game you would know we aren't continually getting out-coached. Why don't you go up and spit in Pat's face because that was what you were symbolically doing in your first rant. You don't like women's sports. We get it. That's just something you will have to learn to live with because they aren't going away.
 
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one point

Geno didn't start out his coaching career with a team full of high school All Stars to play with. He quickly built a winner though, just like Pat.
 
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Obviously nobody can adequately follow Pat, but didn't Holly lose 5 starters from one of Pat's lesser teams? (i.e. 27-9) And just 4 yrs ago Pat lost 11 in a restocking year. 17-5, even with the horrible loss to UTC, isn't unreasonable. Give her time to finish shaping things to her style before you toss her out.
 
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I don't want her tossed out. I want her to step up her "game" and use time outs & momentum to her advantage. I've seen almost every game this year either on live TV or tape delay and Coach has admitted after many of them that she failed to take action on a timely basis to the detriment of the team. She was supposed to be a top rate assistant. Didn't she learn anything about tactics from those many years?
 
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papatomany said:
Obviously nobody can adequately follow Pat, but didn't Holly lose 5 starters from one of Pat's lesser teams? (i.e. 27-9) And just 4 yrs ago Pat lost 11 in a restocking year. 17-5, even with the horrible loss to UTC, isn't unreasonable. Give her time to finish shaping things to her style before you toss her out.
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Actually Holly coached those 5 starters last year. Pat's name was on the letterhead, but HW was the defacto head coach. She did a good coaching job in her maiden voyage, so to speak.

I think she will be a serviceable coach for years to come, and will compete for SEC championships on a consistent basis. At a fraction of the salary that was paid her predecessor, she probably is the answer for a cash-strapped athletic program.
 
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VolEire said:
Give Holly and this team a chance!

If you look at history, Holly is doing a better job than a lot of the more established head coaches when they first started out.

If you look at coaches like Geno they didn’t start off their head coaching careers as national champions either. According to Wikipedia, Geno started coaching at U Conn in 1985 and that year was a losing year, 12W-15L. The 1986-87 year was a bit better for him with a 14W -13L., etc. He appeared to get better with time and by his 4th year at U Conn (1988-89) he got his team to the NCAA 1st round (well, whoop-tee-do) (I’m not a fan of Geno’s at all). Pat won the NC that year and she had already won a NC in 1986-87.

Pat struggled too at first and she was dealing with a lot more issues when she started out in the 70s than Geno could probably ever imagine, with her being a woman and forging a path for other coaches to follow in women’s basketball.

Heck, even Holly’s motorcycle riding buddy, Nikki Caldwell-a former Lady Vol, struggled her first year at LSU with a 23W-10L in 2011. (I like Nikki a lot. She’s got a lot of class.) She also appeared to struggle her first year at UCLA with a 19W -12L. Apparently, her team has been bitten by the injury bug as well this year. So, she’s going through about the same thing as Holly.

Get behind your coach and get behind your team!

Go Lady Vols!
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Yes, get behind the coach and team, but it's disappointing to see manufactured "facts" to pump up Pat & Holly. Pat did plenty and doesn't need to have her career enhanced by untruths.

Pat started at Tennessee in 1974-5 with a nothing team and built it from there. She did struggle, but it was a different struggle than current coaches face. Her struggle was low pay, low prestige, offset by little pressure to perform because few cared. It took 13 years to win her first NCAA championship. The first 6 years or so basketball wasn't even an NCAA sport and there wasn't much competition. The 1981-2 season was the first NCAA year. Pat won it all in 1987.

Geno had a similar beginning, inheriting a nothing team, but started much later than Pat 1985-6. It took him 10 years to win his first NC.

Now to Holly. It's not possible to compare Holly's performance with Pat or Geno. Pat, when she started was handed the keys to a start-up organization. Holly's was handed the keys to a conglomerate. She started off privileged.

But, in many ways, Holly's new job is tougher than Pat's. There were no expectations when Pat started. No one paid attention, the team slept on away gym floors. Holly is expected to win a NC right away.

I feel she is doing a good job give the situation. She picked up the top recruit in the nation and her players are top notch compared with others. In my view, she has fallen down on game management. She doesn't react quickly enough to game situations. She should be doing better with the quality of players she has. It's difficult to determine the reason why this is happening. It may or may not be her fault. Only time will tell.
 
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One thing people need to remember is that it's a lot harder to win now than in the past. It hasn't reached parity yet but it's a lot closer than it was just 10 years ago.
 
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my personal pet peeve is the shot clock. I think it has reduced the quality of play and taken the coaching of offensive sytems out of the game, men's & women's. I loved the four corners O of UNC back in the day and the Battles of wits between Mears & Rupp or Joe b. Hall.
 
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