Holly Warlick

[bmj4life]

If we are happy competing for SEC titles, Holly is the one for the job. However, if we want to compete nationally, we need someone else. With all her experience, it amazes me that she consistently gets out coached.

 

[golf437]

If we are happy competing for SEC titles, Holly is the one for the job. However, if we want to compete nationally, we need someone else. With all her experience, it amazes me that she consistently gets out coached.

Sorry you need to a better understanding of basketball. What you are saying is not true.

 

[AllforTenn]

If we are happy competing for SEC titles, Holly is the one for the job. However, if we want to compete nationally, we need someone else. With all her experience, it amazes me that she consistently gets out coached.

That is your opinion, which means nothing.

 

[AllforTenn]

I'm seriously thinking that Holly is just not HC material.

She goes to battle against Missouri with a depleted roster, her team plays like crap and she continues to not play fresh bodies (Moore & Phillips) any minutes at all. WTF?

She misses the opportunity to call effective timeouts in EVERY game. She fails in game prep & also during games to make adjustments...


I'm thinking she has one more year and it's bye bye Holly.

Any more complaints? It is obvious that you know very little about coaching.:loco:

 

[Convoluted]

As I said earlier in this thread, Holly is doing a good job. However, she's not doing a great job. She doesn't seem to have "think on her feet" skills. The game is too fast for her. She's spend too many years under a dynamic boss, and while she learned a lot, she is unable to put what she learned into practice during the heat of battle. After the game is over, she knows what she should have done, but its too late. I agree with gule.

I doubt if Nikki Caldwell is any better. Coaches like Pat don't appear very often, so we being unfair to expect excellence from anyone else. I also disagree with the concept of hiring a coach just because she was a good player. Coaching vs playing - two entirely different skills, yet ex-players get the jobs.

 

[RAISEDINTHE70S]

This team has talent and should have a better record. Its obvious that the coaching staff is not up to par with the elite programs. Maybe Russell can come in and hide some of the staffs inabilities.

Tennessee is no longer an elite program. Its time they trim the fat in the non-revenue sports and put some reserve in the bank instead of trying to be politically correct.

 

[AllforTenn]

As I said earlier in this thread, Holly is doing a good job. However, she's not doing a great job. She doesn't seem to have "think on her feet" skills. The game is too fast for her. She's spend too many years under a dynamic boss, and while she learned a lot, she is unable to put what she learned into practice during the heat of battle. After the game is over, she knows what she should have done, but its too late. I agree with gule.

I doubt if Nikki Caldwell is any better. Coaches like Pat don't appear very often, so we being unfair to expect excellence from anyone else. I also disagree with the concept of hiring a coach just because she was a good player. Coaching vs playing - two entirely different skills, yet ex-players get the jobs.

So, watching them makes you an expert on coaching?
Maybe the game is "too fast" for you and you think on your feet so no better than her.
This team lost all 5 players which started in the NCAA tournament games, was picked by SEC coaches, all of whom have more expertise than you, to finish 5th in the conference this year; by sportswriters, who probably know more about the sport than you, to finish 4th, yet at this point the Lady Vols are in 1st place. Maybe she and her assistants are thinking pretty well with their depleted depth.

 

[AllforTenn]

This team has talent and should have a better record. Its obvious that the coaching staff is not up to par with the elite programs. Maybe Russell can come in and hide some of the staffs inabilities.

Tennessee is no longer an elite program. Its time they trim the fat in the non-revenue sports and put some reserve in the bank instead of trying to be politically correct.

Ever hear of Title 10?

 

[Convoluted]

So, watching them makes you an expert on coaching?
Maybe the game is "too fast" for you and you think on your feet so no better than her.
This team lost all 5 players which started in the NCAA tournament games, was picked by SEC coaches, all of whom have more expertise than you, to finish 5th in the conference this year; by sportswriters, who probably know more about the sport than you, to finish 4th, yet at this point the Lady Vols are in 1st place. Maybe she and her assistants are thinking pretty well with their depleted depth.

Somehow I'm getting the feeling that you don't agree with me. Perhaps I'm the Billy Beane of women's basketball - you never know.

The 5 players who started in the tourney are a good example of what I'm saying. It took all year for Holly to figure out who should be starting. And using the SEC coaches as examples of knowledgeable people when they picked the LVs to finish 5th makes no sense. Same with the sports writers, although I will acknowledge they know more about journalism than I do.

The Lady Vols have as much or more raw talent than any other team. As good as they're doing, they should be doing better. The SEC isn't particularly strong this year. Leading the SEC only gets the LVs 13th in the nation in the Coaches poll. So something is amiss.

I don't like excuses. Lots of teams have injuries. Maryland - 4 ACLs. Even uconn had 8 out with injuries this year including their all american guard plus an ACL just last week. The young team is another often heard excuse. The team isn't that young. perhaps half a year younger than other teams. Plus, the youngsters got plenty of experience last year before the tourney switch to all seniors.

I'm still sticking to the problem being coaching, and everyone in my house agrees with me. This has to be fixed before the past reputation fades and the program becomes another Old Dominion or Auburn.

 

[RAISEDINTHE70S]

Somehow I'm getting the feeling that you don't agree with me. Perhaps I'm the Billy Beane of women's basketball - you never know.

The 5 players who started in the tourney are a good example of what I'm saying. It took all year for Holly to figure out who should be starting. And using the SEC coaches as examples of knowledgeable people when they picked the LVs to finish 5th makes no sense. Same with the sports writers, although I will acknowledge they know more about journalism than I do.

The Lady Vols have as much or more raw talent than any other team. As good as they're doing, they should be doing better. The SEC isn't particularly strong this year. Leading the SEC only gets the LVs 13th in the nation in the Coaches poll. So something is amiss.

I don't like excuses. Lots of teams have injuries. Maryland - 4 ACLs. Even uconn had 8 out with injuries this year including their all american guard plus an ACL just last week. The young team is another often heard excuse. The team isn't that young. perhaps half a year younger than other teams. Plus, the youngsters got plenty of experience last year before the tourney switch to all seniors.

I'm still sticking to the problem being coaching, and everyone in my house agrees with me. This has to be fixed before the past reputation fades and the program becomes another Old Dominion or Auburn.

Be careful , the LV sheep dont like criticism.

 

[Voluble2]

I'm still sticking to the problem being coaching, and everyone in my house agrees with me. This has to be fixed before the past reputation fades and the program becomes another Old Dominion or Auburn.

Well, since you have cited the incontrovertible authority of "everyone in your house" I guess that settles it! Nevermind what coaches or sports writers who get paid to analyze the game think. If you can just irritate everyone in your house into agreeing with you then that must be that! My nine year old uses the same tactic.

I am just teasing you a bit but I am curious to know how long you have been following women's basketball and how many games you watch in a given season? You are entitled to your opinion either way, and I welcome the discussion, but it doesn't seem like you have a very informed opinion to me and one thing about women's basketball... you get a LOT of drive-by posters who have an agenda about what should be spent on the ladies' game etc... I might even agree with them but I can separate that opinion from my analysis of the team and coach. You also get fans who only watch a game or two and base their opinion solely on that.

Like I say, I have followed the ladies since before they were in the NCAA (in what I believe was called the AIAW or some such). Before the season I had us picked to lose 10 games and finish in the middle of the SEC. Once I saw a few games I posted that they looked like a solid 10-15th ranked team with the potential to be top 5-10 if everything fell their way or 15-20th if it didn't. Despite all of the obstacles they have faced they are still in the 10-15 range which I regard as quite an achievement and not something that any excuse needs to be made for. They achieved this despite the thin roster and injuries and it is something to proud of.

The reason we have done better than most people thought (the people who live with you in the box, under the viaduct excluded) seems to be two fold. Harrison has improved more from one year to the next than any player I have seen and Holly has made similar strides as a coach. Last year I thought she was abysmal, but in fairness it is difficult to know how much of that was her and how much was Pat or the situation.

Another lesser factor is that some of the filler recruits we picked up when we were in transition such as Jones are better than expected and have been able to contribute. So all in all I have been very pleasantly surprised. We could still collapse down the stretch given how thin we are but I was heartened to see we found a way to pull out the LSU game.

So I guess where we differ is in expectations. I believe it was unrealistic to expect this team as currently constituted to do any better than it has. So do most of the experts. You seem to base your opinion on some sense of entitlement that we should always be elite no matter the circumstances. Well, why don't we wait and see if Holly can get us there? She may or may not be able to recruit at the level we need, and improve as a coach at the rate we need but so far the results have been very promising.

The fact she is willing to criticize herself in public is actually a very good thing and shows she is open to learning and getting better. I think she is already a top 5-10 coach with more upside than the other coaches in front of her. But time will tell and my opinion will certainly go up or down depending on the results we get.

Right now I will just be happy if we can keep from dropping a bunch of games down the stretch because I think we are too thin to really do much in the tournaments. That is when depth is really important.

 

[Orange Maniac]

This team has talent and should have a better record. Its obvious that the coaching staff is not up to par with the elite programs. Maybe Russell can come in and hide some of the staffs inabilities.

Tennessee is no longer an elite program. Its time they trim the fat in the non-revenue sports and put some reserve in the bank instead of trying to be politically correct.

So you want to do away with all sports except football? That is what you are saying. Maybe you can keep men's BB unless they keep playing the way they have lately, then they will be a non-revenue sport. There is one problem with your logic though. It's called Title IX. That one is hard to get around. Got any ideas how to do that or should we just tear it all down and forget about sports completely. I mean it's not like the AD has ever given any money to the academic side. Oh, wait........

 

[Orange Maniac]

If we are happy competing for SEC titles, Holly is the one for the job. However, if we want to compete nationally, we need someone else. With all her experience, it amazes me that she consistently gets out coached.

Lots of people here keep saying we are being outcoached. I want someone to give me an example of that. I've been to a lot of the games and have watched every one either live or on TV. What I see is a group of kids that haven't been on the floor as team before this year and they do make mistakes. The weekside help on defense is lacking now because players are having to fill in where they usually don't play. They either don't react or they are slow to react. You can coach your azz off but it's up to the players to do it. I watch the bench as almost as much as I watch the action when I'm at a game and I feel confident that the coaches are doing a good job. The frustration is obvious when the team doesn't follow through. That's part of the reason they usually come out better in the 2nd half. It's due to being coached at half time. You can coach 'em but you can't play for 'em. It's hard to believe all the experts here know this staff won't cut it after only two thirds of a season.

 

[governmentmule]

i think CHW is doing a fine job,as others have said,it is a young team,with a lot of injures and a major lack of depth,there running out of gas in the last couple of games,i do wish she would burn all there time outs in the first half,of course there having a hard time finding a rhythm in the first half too and there will never be another CPS,so don't even try to compare the two,CHW has learned a lot from CPS now it is time to use that knowledge and apply what she wants the team to be like,it will take time,just look at the poor shooting efforts,it they were hitting a good percentage on them,the wins and loses would be a lot different