Holly Warlick

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It's not just about beating SEC teams and winning the SEC for UT. We have more talent than any other team in the SEC---except, now, South Carolina--and the SEC has never been very good in women's basketball. Kentucky and Vandy have been decent--but we have considerably more talent than they do.

The essential point--is this can't be emphasized enough--is what kind of basketball do you play? Are you solid fundamentally? Does your style of play give you a chance to beat other GOOD teams? Winning the SEC has NEVER been the bar for this program--the Final Four and national titles are the bar, and should remain the bar. And this: playing GOOD basketball should be the bar--because if you do that, you have a chance to get to the Final Four and beyond.

Do we play good basketball? We win games--but we do NOT play good basketball and--I can't emphasize this enough--we have NOT played good basketball for about 10 years. We have been a BAD offensive team for ages--this is why we struggle game after game; win ugly--and ultimately we get beat in the tournament. And of course getting to the Sweet 16, if you have a good seed, is pretty easy: You play two overmatched teams at HOME. Last year we played three teams in the NCAA tourney before Maryland and NONE of them was ranked. We were heavy favorites in the first two games--as we ALWAYS are playing NCAA games at home--so please let's not pretend that Warlick's brilliant coaching is the reason we beat a couple of small conference schools. We have won, what, 8 games this year? Have we played good basketball in ANY of them? We have played consistently somewhere between mediocre and bad--barely beating a Wichita State team that has ONE victory and had 6 players! We scored 43 points--43!--against Va. Tech. UConn is scoring 90 a game and we're lucky to get to 55. We are not a good basketball team. We win games because we have more size and more talent than 95 percent of the teams we play--and yet scuffle through game after game with 20 turnovers and low assist totals.

Yesterday, Butler beat our men's team. Butler, with a tradition of being well coached, had 20 ASSISTS and 9 turnovers. That is an indication of a good, well-coached offensive team. Those are the kinds of numbers you see from well-coached women's teams as well. Those are the numbers that you NEVER see from UT--haven't seen for 10+ years, because we are NOT well coached. The reason we haven't been the Final Four for 10 years is that we do not play good basketball for the talent we have---and let's no pretend we do because we can still scratch out wins over outmanned SEC and other teams. We need a coach that understands the importance of being good at both ends of the floor, who is demanding and commands respect, and not someone who's still got a 1975 mentality and thinks everything is rosy because we beat bad teams by 5 points.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Anyone who says she should be fired isn't very smart. Sounds like the bama fans who won't Saban fired for not winning the natty last year and not beating ole miss.
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Any poster who starts a thread calling other posters "not very smart" isn't very smart.
Especially when his spelling needs work.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Like I said, you expect Holly to coach as good as Pat Summitt? Who, will go down as one of the best basketball coaches EVER. Yea, ok bud, Keep living in a fantasy. You will never be satisfied unless she makes it to the final 4 every year and wins a natty every other year. Like I said, this is the reason everyone laughs at Tennessee fans.
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What people expect is that we don't struggle to beat teams that we should beat by 20 or more points. What people expect is for players to get better by their senior year, not worse. What people expect is that we score more than 43 points against a team picked 13th in their conference. Give me a break! Holly Warlick cannot coach and it is obvious to anyone who knows anything about basketball.
 
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armchair said:
It's not just about beating SEC teams and winning the SEC for UT. We have more talent than any other team in the SEC---except, now, South Carolina--and the SEC has never been very good in women's basketball. Kentucky and Vandy have been decent--but we have considerably more talent than they do.

The essential point--is this can't be emphasized enough--is what kind of basketball do you play? Are you solid fundamentally? Does your style of play give you a chance to beat other GOOD teams? Winning the SEC has NEVER been the bar for this program--the Final Four and national titles are the bar, and should remain the bar. And this: playing GOOD basketball should be the bar--because if you do that, you have a chance to get to the Final Four and beyond.

Do we play good basketball? We win games--but we do NOT play good basketball and--I can't emphasize this enough--we have NOT played good basketball for about 10 years. We have been a BAD offensive team for ages--this is why we struggle game after game; win ugly--and ultimately we get beat in the tournament. And of course getting to the Sweet 16, if you have a good seed, is pretty easy: You play two overmatched teams at HOME. Last year we played three teams in the NCAA tourney before Maryland and NONE of them was ranked. We were heavy favorites in the first two games--as we ALWAYS are playing NCAA games at home--so please let's not pretend that Warlick's brilliant coaching is the reason we beat a couple of small conference schools. We have won, what, 8 games this year? Have we played good basketball in ANY of them? We have played consistently somewhere between mediocre and bad--barely beating a Wichita State team that has ONE victory and had 6 players! We scored 43 points--43!--against Va. Tech. UConn is scoring 90 a game and we're lucky to get to 55. We are not a good basketball team. We win games because we have more size and more talent than 95 percent of the teams we play--and yet scuffle through game after game with 20 turnovers and low assist totals.

Yesterday, Butler beat our men's team. Butler, with a tradition of being well coached, had 20 ASSISTS and 9 turnovers. That is an indication of a good, well-coached offensive team. Those are the kinds of numbers you see from well-coached women's teams as well. Those are the numbers that you NEVER see from UT--haven't seen for 10+ years, because we are NOT well coached. The reason we haven't been the Final Four for 10 years is that we do not play good basketball for the talent we have---and let's no pretend we do because we can still scratch out wins over outmanned SEC and other teams. We need a coach that understands the importance of being good at both ends of the floor, who is demanding and commands respect, and not someone who's still got a 1975 mentality and thinks everything is rosy because we beat bad teams by 5 points.
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Excellent points!
 
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Smokey123 said:
Anyone who says she should be fired isn't very smart. She's gone to the elite8 twice and the sweet16 once in her 3 seasons. She has won the sec tourney once and finished first in the sec regular season twice. She has a record of 92-22(.807) what do you expect from her? Do as good as Summitt? This is why Tennessee fans get laughed at. We lose a couple games "fire the coach, she's awful". "Fire the coach, he lost a game". When you don't even take the time to look at the progression/records/stats. Sounds like the bama fans who won't Saban fired for not winning the natty last year and not beating ole miss.
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Difficult to comprehend you've received even three likes for this statement. You just have to watch them play. They are coached poorly.
 
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armchair said:
It's not just about beating SEC teams and winning the SEC for UT. We have more talent than any other team in the SEC---except, now, South Carolina--and the SEC has never been very good in women's basketball. Kentucky and Vandy have been decent--but we have considerably more talent than they do.

The essential point--is this can't be emphasized enough--is what kind of basketball do you play? Are you solid fundamentally? Does your style of play give you a chance to beat other GOOD teams? Winning the SEC has NEVER been the bar for this program--the Final Four and national titles are the bar, and should remain the bar. And this: playing GOOD basketball should be the bar--because if you do that, you have a chance to get to the Final Four and beyond.

Do we play good basketball? We win games--but we do NOT play good basketball and--I can't emphasize this enough--we have NOT played good basketball for about 10 years. We have been a BAD offensive team for ages--this is why we struggle game after game; win ugly--and ultimately we get beat in the tournament. And of course getting to the Sweet 16, if you have a good seed, is pretty easy: You play two overmatched teams at HOME. Last year we played three teams in the NCAA tourney before Maryland and NONE of them was ranked. We were heavy favorites in the first two games--as we ALWAYS are playing NCAA games at home--so please let's not pretend that Warlick's brilliant coaching is the reason we beat a couple of small conference schools. We have won, what, 8 games this year? Have we played good basketball in ANY of them? We have played consistently somewhere between mediocre and bad--barely beating a Wichita State team that has ONE victory and had 6 players! We scored 43 points--43!--against Va. Tech. UConn is scoring 90 a game and we're lucky to get to 55. We are not a good basketball team. We win games because we have more size and more talent than 95 percent of the teams we play--and yet scuffle through game after game with 20 turnovers and low assist totals.

Yesterday, Butler beat our men's team. Butler, with a tradition of being well coached, had 20 ASSISTS and 9 turnovers. That is an indication of a good, well-coached offensive team. Those are the kinds of numbers you see from well-coached women's teams as well. Those are the numbers that you NEVER see from UT--haven't seen for 10+ years, because we are NOT well coached. The reason we haven't been the Final Four for 10 years is that we do not play good basketball for the talent we have---and let's no pretend we do because we can still scratch out wins over outmanned SEC and other teams. We need a coach that understands the importance of being good at both ends of the floor, who is demanding and commands respect, and not someone who's still got a 1975 mentality and thinks everything is rosy because we beat bad teams by 5 points.
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The problem is as the players get farther away from Pat and the program is fully Holly's it will decline rapidly. It is very apparent the woman can't coach or develop players.
 
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LVJeff said:
Guys, smokey123 is fishing. Don't let him reel you in.
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I look at the postives of this team and I see the athletic ability... Russell at 6'6 can run the floor well and can become a pretty good post.. I will always remember that fast break she had against Cuse but she isn't confident she to me is still a freshman.. Tennessee basically is a highly talented poorly coached team and I'm sick and tired of the injury excuse.. yes injuries to hurt a team but then it's on the players to step up ex. 2006 we won the SEC starting 4 forwards and a shooting guard.. Tennessee was able to beat that 3 guard swing of Baker,Kendrick,and Chambers which at the time was one of the best guard line-ups in the country.. These girls merely wear the jersey they lack passion.. Holly isn't excited to coach these girls she isn't.. I know somewhere there is a coach whom would love to be in her shoes and turn this team around
 
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Smokey123 said:
Oh my goodness, a bad recruiting class? No way, OMG we are doomed!

I guess we better tell Butch the football team is gonna be borderline top 20 next year since our recruiting class in around #20.
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You are talking in circles. Holly has one of the top 5 winning percentages and can't bring in a great recruiting class. Butch is just beginning to win and he is bringing in better classes and improving.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Hot garbage. Lmao yup, 92-22 with winning .800 of your games is garbage. She is still recruiting at a high level, she is winning 80% of her games. And making sweet16 or elite8 every year. Yup, hot garbage.
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She is recruiting at a high level, really. Our major need is post players, 11 have come through none have signed. In the 2016 recruiting class, we have a zero. The lack of recruiting bigs and a goose egg year is not the sign of a high level recruiter.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Anyone who says she should be fired isn't very smart. She's gone to the elite8 twice and the sweet16 once in her 3 seasons. She has won the sec tourney once and finished first in the sec regular season twice. She has a record of 92-22(.807) what do you expect from her? Do as good as Summitt? This is why Tennessee fans get laughed at. We lose a couple games "fire the coach, she's awful". "Fire the coach, he lost a game". When you don't even take the time to look at the progression/records/stats. Sounds like the bama fans who won't Saban fired for not winning the natty last year and not beating ole miss.
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SMDH...you sir/madam don't have a clue.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
Check this list and tell me again we are not slipping into mediocrity.

2016 HoopGurlz Recruiting Rankings - espnW 100 - ESPN
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I have never seen a year that we didn't have at least two top 100 recruits... this can't be a good sign for the future of our program. In all honesty, if I had a girl that was capable of playing for any program, I would direct her to a school that could maximize her skills. As much as I love UT, I would direct her elsewhere because there is no player development here (there is only detriment).:no:
 
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dyllisvol42 said:
Fire holly hire Geno!!!!
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While I hate to lose and don't enjoy watching this team play, I don't see how firing Holly mid-season will help. I think we should let the season play out and make staffing adjustments accordingly. If we decide we want...need a new coach following the season. I would love to see us go after Becky Hammond of the San Antonio Spurs (Go Spurs Go).
 
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Born4UT said:
I would love to see us go after Becky Hammond of the San Antonio Spurs (Go Spurs Go).
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Re: Coach Holly...it's sad that fans who have supported LV for decades (and who pointed out the shortcomings in some of Pat's strategies that occasionally undermined the recruited talent) are labeled "haters" simply because they're fed up with all of the signs of decline (and, frankly, a very un-entertaining brand of bb being played). The "love it or leave it" crowd...as in "My coach, right or wrong"...should be aware that some people may turn around & call those who seem to accept mediocrity "haters" for actually demonstrating a lack of love for the program. Coaches get fired all the time but usually land on their feet elsewhere (often times finding rejuvenating their careers). Lots of lateral moves get made (look at the changes made in the SEC football this season).

Probably the wrong time to bring this up since it's a mole hill compared to the mountain of LV woes right now, but what is Warlick's problem in front of a mic? You'd think that her two-decades-plus experience giving interviews & addressing the public (camps, pressers, clubs, charity events, etc.) would have prepared her to speak coherently. It's easy to dismiss her rambling style as just an insignificant personal quirk, but honestly...isn't communicating effectively a big part of coaching in college (I coached girls' basketball, volleyball, & softball for 12 years, and even at middle school level, communication was important). Is she sharp & on point during games & time outs but just falls apart on tv or radio? Don't catch her show so don't know how she is in the studio.

It may seem very unfair & like just more piling on, but this issue has been brought up for years (particularly after she became HC). Does she sound like this in the living rooms of recruits? If so, it seems that the program's history is the selling point more than confidence in CHW (although she may have a really warm demeanor that appeals to parents & recruits). If one wants a coach who can handle pressure, you'd think a little ole microphone wouldn't be that big an obstacle (especially since many of the players are so well-spoken). I know it drives many of us fans crazy to listen to her (and has for years now) but would just be written off if the product on the floor was acceptable. GA could sound like a muttering idgit and body would care given how well his team plays. But when a team is struggling like this, every aspect comes under greater scrutiny.

And...setting the fragmented thoughts aside...it goes even further. Some of Warlick's biggest defenders here keep pointing out how early it is in the season...yet Warlick recently stated that she "hasn't given up on this team yet." Aside from the fact that it's probably not a great idea for any coach to publicly discuss "giving up" on players...especially when those same players are next year's team with only a few exceptions...isn't it awfully "early" for a head coach to be even bringing up a doomed season possibility? One can argue that she doesn't really mean that, but that would still indicate a communication problem. Similarly, she gives conflicting messages about what she wants from players re: offensive execution, seems to get priorities wrong at times, and makes a lot of puzzling statements (or gives odd impressions re: expectations when playing unranked, near-winless teams). If Holly really means what she says, then she should say what she means...clearly.

It's one thing to carp on a coach's sartorial habits...a lot of coaches dress out in questionable attire :mega_shok:...but I can't remember hearing any head coach who consistently sounded as discombobulated or even downright clueless. :question: Van Chancellor routinely butchered names, but that just became an endearing trait (to some; annoying to others). But he sounded as though he had a grip on what actually happened on the court.

Even if CHW's team suddenly fixes all deficiencies, goes on a tear, and ends up in the Final Four (which seems more like Final Fantasy right now), I'd still wonder what her problem is with public speaking.
 
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creekdipper said:
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Re: Coach Holly...it's sad that fans who have supported LV for decades (and who pointed out the shortcomings in some of Pat's strategies that occasionally undermined the recruited talent) are labeled "haters" simply because they're fed up with all of the signs of decline (and, frankly, a very un-entertaining brand of bb being played). The "love it or leave it" crowd...as in "My coach, right or wrong"...should be aware that some people may turn around & call those who seem to accept mediocrity "haters" for actually demonstrating a lack of love for the program.
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The "hater" label is something that is earned and unfortunately, the majority of posters here now fit that label. I get it that a lot of you are frustrated, know little about coaching women, and are looking at assigning blame to try to make yourself feel better but you are going about things the wrong way. Its like you are still in Jr. High (and maybe some of you are the way you slam people who do not agree with you). If it were in my power, I would fire every one of you from the job of being a fan because you suck at it.

The entitlement many posters exhibit by slandering and bullying others is almost comical if it were not directed towards my University and its real fans. Perhaps if a few of you had actually attended UT, you might have a little more loyalty and look out for the best interests of the program. As it stands now, a prospective player doing their research will read the junk posted on this board and decide to go to school at a place that has a better class of fans. I truly expect that is the intentions some of you have and the remaining posters are just misguided people with poor critical thinking skills and low self esteem who seek acceptance by any means and as such reciprocate this feeding frenzy.

Do UT and its real fans a favor and start your own forum and don't give it a name that associates it with Tennessee. That way you will become as irrelevant as the mindless drivel you spew every day.

There you go! Enjoy.
 
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