Homelessness in Portland

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#77
hog88 said:
Many apartment or other rental property management companies have a zero tolerance policy for felony convictions and past drug convictions even if misdemeanors within so many years. So a young dumb kid mistake can lead to a lifetime or decade of trouble finding a place to live.
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As well as being convicted of other offenses.
 
#78
#78
hog88 said:
Many apartment or other rental property management companies have a zero tolerance policy for felony convictions and past drug convictions even if misdemeanors within so many years. So a young dumb kid mistake can lead to a lifetime or decade of trouble finding a place to live.
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I somehow doubt the agreements for low income housing hold such edicts.
 
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DonjoVol said:
And once again you have a poor understanding of libertarianism. The individual right comes first. Businesses trying to require the covid vaccine are trying to trample on someone's individual rights. Once again I'm going to refer you to the preamble and sections 1.0 and 1.1 of the Libertarian Party platform.

I'm also going to ask you to share with the forum the ideals of Lysander Spooner and Benjamin Tucker who are often considered the founders of libertarianism.

What you are advocating for is some weird form of corporate totalitarianism.
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No one says you have to work at those jobs, so there is no totalitarianism.
 
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DonjoVol said:
So you're for racial segregation in businesses?
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As long as its posted. If the owner/operator is racist, as the paying customer I want to know so I can choose to not support them. Instead of being ignorantly complicit with their hidden racism. Unless they hate the Irish, and then I will buy twice as much
 
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#83
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C-south said:
As well as being convicted of other offenses.
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Yes, my wife's old company would not rent to someone who has a felony regardless of how long ago it was, no domestic violence convictions even if misdemeanor and I think it was no drug convictions in the last 7 years even if misdemeanor. It was a pretty strict policy.
 
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LouderVol said:
As long as its posted. If the owner/operator is racist, as the paying customer I want to know so I can choose to not support them. Instead of being ignorantly complicit with their hidden racism. Unless they hate the Irish, and then I will buy twice as much
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I'd support an anti-catholic or anti-Canadian business all day.
 
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n_huffhines said:
What do you mean by this? Total employment is higher right now than it was in 2019.

I guess I have a higher opinion of Americans than you.

I wouldn't set up UBI to an amount of $ that makes it easy to cover your expenses. I'd set it up so that someone would have to be very frugal to survive off just UBI. So say it's $10/k year, I see no reason why American adults wouldn't see a strong incentive to work, and at least triple their income. Most of them would be at least quintupling it and getting benefits.

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Tell me how great we're doing again compared to 2019.

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n_huffhines said:
What do you mean by this? Total employment is higher right now than it was in 2019.

I guess I have a higher opinion of Americans than you.

I wouldn't set up UBI to an amount of $ that makes it easy to cover your expenses. I'd set it up so that someone would have to be very frugal to survive off just UBI. So say it's $10/k year, I see no reason why American adults wouldn't see a strong incentive to work, and at least triple their income. Most of them would be at least quintupling it and getting benefits.

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So less than half the US population is employed? SInce 65% of the US population is 15 - 65 years old, there's about 17% that could work, but are not.
 
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LouderVol said:
As long as its posted. If the owner/operator is racist, as the paying customer I want to know so I can choose to not support them. Instead of being ignorantly complicit with their hidden racism. Unless they hate the Irish, and then I will buy twice as much
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Who does it need to posted? If the owner wants to run their business the way they see fit then they shouldn't have to post anything right?
 
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n_huffhines said:
What do you mean by this? Total employment is higher right now than it was in 2019.

I guess I have a higher opinion of Americans than you.

I wouldn't set up UBI to an amount of $ that makes it easy to cover your expenses. I'd set it up so that someone would have to be very frugal to survive off just UBI. So say it's $10/k year, I see no reason why American adults wouldn't see a strong incentive to work, and at least triple their income. Most of them would be at least quintupling it and getting benefits.

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Look at your chart Huff. Go back 4 years from any year except for the height of covid and you'll see the increase in employment is about 10 million people. Go back from the projected 2023 year 4 years and the increase is only 2 million. Tell me again we don't have a problem.
 
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LouderVol said:
No one says you have to work at those jobs, so there is no totalitarianism.
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Requiring someone to get a vaccine that could possibly be dangerous to someone's health is. Plus it could be a huge liability on the part of the business as it could lead to a lawsuit. So it's a poor argument to begin with.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Who does it need to posted? If the owner wants to run their business the way they see fit then they shouldn't have to post anything right?
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What they decide to post is a part of running their business, like posting “vaccinated only”
 
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Vol8188 said:
What they decide to post is a part of running their business, like posting “vaccinated only”
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Why do they need to post it? What government law would require them to post it on their door in your corporate totalitarian utopia?
 
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DonjoVol said:
Why do they need to post it? What government law would require them to post it on their door in your corporate totalitarian utopia?
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You believe businesses only put things up that are forced by the government? That’s odd.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Who does it need to posted? If the owner wants to run their business the way they see fit then they shouldn't have to post anything right?
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Consent. Interactions should only being constentual. A big part for true consent is being reasonably informed.
 
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hog88 said:
A lot of them do, you would be surprised.
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Fair enough.you have a lot more experience than my none experience.
Just think it hyperbolic if someone has been convicted of some minor drug crime then they cannot get housing anywhere. That would be a large many people.
If one has some major transgressions of drug use, then sure, who would take the liability with that? They are already on their way to homelessness and worse, and just dont know it yet.

I had a friend that went to prison, twice, many years ago and he got a decent apartment at Lakeshore in Chattanooga. He passed away several years ago..you guessed it.

We are actually agreeing, but being homeless is a result of their personal responsibility and life choices. I doubt in the liberal City of Portland..these homeless are minor drug offenders. They are hard core.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Who does it need to posted? If the owner wants to run their business the way they see fit then they shouldn't have to post anything right?
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Correct although they should have a sign that says "no Canucks allowed".
 
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DonjoVol said:
Requiring someone to get a vaccine that could possibly be dangerous to someone's health is. Plus it could be a huge liability on the part of the business as it could lead to a lawsuit. So it's a poor argument to begin with.
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Except the business cant force them. Mine couldnt force me. Told them I would quit before getting it, and they backed off. Everyone had that option. Just because they choose not to make that fight doesnt mean they couldnt have.
 
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