Hopson

#26
#26
Vol Mania 21 said:
kind of hard to get the ball when you have some guys on the team trying to "get theirs"
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are you kidding me. When teams go 2-3 on us, we have nobody trying to "get theirs." We have a bunch of people trying to get rid of the ball.
 
#27
#27
does everyone run a 2-3 on us?? no. i'm saying so far this season i've seen hopson try to do to much on "O", i've seen prince be a pathetic excuse for a D1 talent as usual, Chism putting up way to many 3's.

maybe i'm mistaken i know last nite they ran a 2-3 but when tyler was in the game wasn't he in the middle most of the time? i know without him you have no one in the middle. chism and brian stood on the block and the perimeter players scratched themselves until the ball was passed to them
 
#28
#28
BigPapaVol said:
I'm not sure I can figure this part out.

However, Tyler has disappeared for huge stretches this season. Young, undisciplined teams can't afford for their go to guy to simply go away. The uptick in the number of ridiculous looking quadruple pump heaves toward the basket has also been a huge problem for me, especially from a guy with a great midrange game.
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What i was saying is he is basically doing the things that was expected of him, sure you could knock him for not doing more like he is capable of but i dont think that would be fair considering he is averaging 17 ppg 6 reb 4 ast and nearly 50% fg pct... To me there are more problems with this team that really can't be coached, or atleast i dont think they can such as: Intensity, awareness, and quickness as a team
 
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#29
Vol Mania 21 said:
does everyone run a 2-3 on us?? no. i'm saying so far this season i've seen hopson try to do to much on "O", i've seen prince be a pathetic excuse for a D1 talent as usual, Chism putting up way to many 3's.

maybe i'm mistaken i know last nite they ran a 2-3 but when tyler was in the game wasn't he in the middle most of the time? i know without him you have no one in the middle. chism and brian stood on the block and the perimeter players scratched themselves until the ball was passed to them
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everyone has run a 2-3 on us of late and it will continue. I've generally seen Hopson defer too much.

Tyler was not in the middle for the majority of 2-3 time. he was on the block, with Chism, unmoving.
 
#30
#30
i think Tyler's struggles have more to do with defenses being able to collapse on the middle. there's absolutely no reason for anyone to guard us on the perimeter.

Smith has been taking what i would call garbage shots all season long. but his true effectiveness, as to being something the defense has to be accountable for other than an outside game or inside game has been severely negated by our inability to do anything else effectively.

as for hopson, he's a true freshman. i don't care how many stars he had, the kid can play, we've seen it. he's got some growing up to do. i don't know that anyone thought he was the next OJ Mayo or something.......

bottom line from what i've seen, this team needs to play better team basketball on both ends. offensively, they absolutely have to prove they can shoot the ball.

i think we'd all be amazed at what that might do for Smith and Chism.
 
#31
#31
the other thing to consider is that at hte point guard spot, we've not had an offensive threat yet there. defensively, he's ok, and he doesn't turn the ball over much. which is fine.......but i wouldnt' classify anything he does as scary to the other team.
 
#32
#32
BigPapaVol said:
everyone has run a 2-3 on us of late and it will continue. I've generally seen Hopson defer too much.

Tyler was not in the middle for the majority of 2-3 time. he was on the block, with Chism, unmoving.
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here's the thing, spruce bruce needs to go to practice and tell tyler he is all time in the middle. thing is when he comes out for rest or foul trouble bruce also needs to designate another guy or 2 to play that area.

honestly the lack of plays is starting to bite us in the arse. when i was in college we had 4 or 5 set plays for a 2-3, 4 or 5 plays for a 1-3-1, and for man we just ran our princeton. bruce is making me scratch my head and wonder what exactly he does n practice. we don't play D, and it's not hard to run the flex offense
 
#33
#33
Vol Mania 21 said:
here's the thing, spruce bruce needs to go to practice and tell tyler he is all time in the middle. thing is when he comes out for rest or foul trouble bruce also needs to designate another guy or 2 to play that area.

honestly the lack of plays is starting to bite us in the arse. when i was in college we had 4 or 5 set plays for a 2-3, 4 or 5 plays for a 1-3-1, and for man we just ran our princeton. bruce is making me scratch my head and wonder what exactly he does n practice. we don't play D, and it's not hard to run the flex offense
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I, too, question exactly what we focus on in practice. Our offense is a disorganized mess and defense nonexistent. Must spend our entire time defensing inbounds passes.
 
#35
#35
BigPapaVol said:
We're beating up a kid who is clearly a very good basketball player. I think he has tremendous ability and will become a great player for us. He appears today to be poorly coached. He should be taking it to the hole and then dropping Js as people have to respect his explosiveness.

He's clearly a defensive liability today but why has he yet to learn that his opportunities at offense or PT will only come when he focuses on the defensive end?

He was being vilified last night, when he made everything he took, didn't turn it over an only played very few minutes due to illness.

If we want to vilify someone on this team, let's go after Tyler Smith, who has underachieved far more than Hopson.
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Totally agree. There is absolutely no way our offense should be run through Tyler Smith. He is a nice all-around player and that is it. He is a horrible shooter and has NO business EVER taking a 3 pointer. He almost NEVER goes straight up when he has the basketball under the basket. He seems to always want to do some type of double pump, like he is trying to draw a foul rather than simply sticking it in the basket.
 
#36
#36
other than cam tatum in two games, no one seems to have any business taking a shot outside the arc.
 
#38
#38
cd12 said:
This sure aint the Rocky Top League
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The only difference seems to be that TBA has air conditioning. We've played very little defense, we give about 1/4 the effort required, and the shot selection has been street ball-esque.

Bruce sounds very, very tired on Basilio right now.
 
#39
#39
BigPapaVol said:
We're beating up a kid who is clearly a very good basketball player. I think he has tremendous ability and will become a great player for us. He appears today to be poorly coached. He should be taking it to the hole and then dropping Js as people have to respect his explosiveness.
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I think that's unfairly rough on his coaches. In highschool, his version of defense was to roam the lane and swat shots into the stands. His version of offense was to get the ball on the wing and drive into the paint and finish, with the occasional jumper or post-up mixed in for giggles. Through a whopping 13 games of college ball, despite some good spurts, that has not yet translated into dominance.

The biggest problem I see is that he is not physically strong enough to finish in the lane once he goes by his man. He also lacks the physical strength to be a good on the ball defender, and he does not do a good job of positioning himself to play solid defense, either.

These are all hallmarks of an undeveloped player, which does not necessarily equate to a poorly coached one. I hope you will see a year on campus do wonders for his strength and understanding of the game, improving both fundamentals and the intensity level it takes to compete in the SEC. If it does not, I'll join you in the "poorly coached" camp, but right now I see youth, not poor direction.

VOLinthaATL said:
100% agree. That was the purpose of this thread. Not so much to beat up on him. Really I was just curious if others thought his development under Pearl would hurt Pearl down the road when trying to bring in big time recruits.
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No, it won't. He is on the verge of averaging double digit points and 20+ minutes for a ranked (for the moment) team as a freshman. That's good production for a guy who was playing against Todd County Central this time last year, regardless of his billing. How much development do you expect through January of his freshman year?

Michael Beasleys are few and far between.
 
#41
#41
and that may very well be due to the minutes he gets........
 
#44
#44
i know what BPV is thinking..........oh God......another Jake?
 
#45
#45
jakez4ut said:
i know what BPV is thinking..........oh God......another Jake?
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not a bit. I loves me some JakeZ, but that doesn't mean I'm going to let a tome roll uninhibited.

New Jake seems a bit more....uh.....ahem.....uh....ahem....concise.
 
#48
#48
VOLinthaATL said:
Hopson has not even remotely lived up to all the hype and preseason rankings about him.
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Yes he has - just not the unrealistic ones who saw the #5 rated player next to his name on scout or rivals and assumed he'd be as great as Beasley and Durant since they were ranked right around there as well.

And - he had the flu last night - so he didn't see much time but made a few nice moves in his time in.
 
#50
#50
jakez4ut said:
he hasn't hit it with enough regularity for it to be a part of our game our opponent has to be accountable for. no one has, save Tatum against Gonzaga and G'Town.
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He was shooting 50% behind the arc a few games ago - although that average has dropped a bit since. Sure, he hasn't made 5 threes in a game like Tatum - but that's rare for any player.
 
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