House Dems about to ask for Trump tax returns

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Hunerwadel said:
I can't say for sure what the committee is looking for. But they have a lot more information than we do since so much has been behind closed doors.

His attorney has testified and provided documentation that Trump inflated and deflated his property values and personal wealth. Granted you and I don't know why but Cohen probably told the committee more in closed testimony. They have already subpoenaed his financial records and are going after his tax returns. It's true that all of his financial records won't be in his tax returns. But if the committee has both they can compare them. If he inflated his property values to acquire loans then deflated the same property to pay taxes he may have committed two crimes on just one property. We're talking about someone who owns or has interest in hundreds or more high end properties. Cohen has provided evidence that he has manipulated the values of at least some of them. (When speaking of Trump we're talking about his entire organization including family)

I wouldn't be surprised to find that the SDNY may be a step or two ahead of the committee.
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The SDNY and IRS are the appropriate places for this.

Cohen not only lied the first time he was before Congress, if the pardon information is true then he lied the last time he was there too.

Congress has no authority here and this is entirely designed to dig for dirt on a political opponent using the investigatory power of Congress. I get no liking the guy but condoning this use of Congressional investigation for things that have nothing to do with oversight is complete BS. None of this has a thing to do with his position as POTUS.
 
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volinbham said:
And your crazy scenario would show up in tax returns how? Also the scenario in no way mirrors what's been alleged about Trump...yet (I can only guess that will be next).
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I was answering a specific question about his property not Trumps and I am spot on. Pay attention.
 
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volinbham said:
The SDNY and IRS are the appropriate places for this.

Cohen not only lied the first time he was before Congress, if the pardon information is true then he lied the last time he was there too.

Congress has no authority here and this is entirely designed to dig for dirt on a political opponent using the investigatory power of Congress. I get no liking the guy but condoning this use of Congressional investigation for things that have nothing to do with oversight is complete BS. None of this has a thing to do with his position as POTUS.
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1. He presented documents to back up his claims about Trumps manipulations. Whether he lied again is undetermined.

2. Totally wrong, they have oversight of the Executive branch.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
1. He presented documents to back up his claims about Trumps manipulations. Whether he lied again is undetermined.

2. Totally wrong, they have oversight of the Executive branch.
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1. What documents? Who told you what's contained in the documents? Was it a Dem source?

2. The alleged actions did not occur while Trump was the Executive and have nothing to do with his execution of the job.
 
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volinbham said:
you still can't explain how tax returns yield the information you claim shows some crime.
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They have subpoenaed his financial records (we don't know how far back). They will be compared to what he is claiming on his tax returns. We already know he has been manipulating property values. If he and his family has conspired to undervalue property to pay less in tax on that property then they have committed a crime. Also if he has manipulated the value of his property downward he may be paying less income tax by showing lower capital gains.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
They have subpoenaed his financial records (we don't know how far back). They will be compared to what he is claiming on his tax returns. We already know he has been manipulating property values. If he and his family has conspired to undervalue property to pay less in tax on that property then they have committed a crime. Also if he has manipulated the value of his property downward he may be paying less income tax by showing lower capital gains.
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How do we know the bolded? What do you mean by "manipulated"?

Congress is the investigatory body to determine what you've concocted above? Can you point me to other cases where this was their mandate?
 
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volinbham said:
How do we know the bolded? What do you mean by "manipulated"?

Congress is the investigatory body to determine what you've concocted above? Can you point me to other cases where this was their mandate?
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Cohen testified to how they did it it and provided documentation. Did Cohen previously lie to Congress? Yes he did. Is he lying now? IDK but he has nothing to gain and everything to lose by doing so now. IMO Congress has an obligation to oversee the President on this. After all they are the only body who can begin the process to remove a crook from office. Evidently Trump is immune to indictment and arrest. BTW Cohen indicated SDNY has a boatload of documents and information. So we're a long way from the finish line.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
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... Trump inflated and deflated his property values and personal wealth.... If he inflated his property values to acquire loans then deflated the same property to pay taxes he may have committed two crimes on just one property.....that he has manipulated the values of at least some of them....
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1. Inflation/deflation is not a crime nor is it an income tax issue (as i have proven with my own duplex).

2. No one pays income tax on held property. I noticed you aren't saying "deflated value on sold property".

3. If defrauding banks for loans has been committed, that info wont be in his taxes.

4. MercyPercy had it right on page 1, if this is all you have to force a Congressional investigation it is no more than a political witchunt AND your team will end up with egg on their faces.
 
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lawgator1 said:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/14/politics/mnuchin-trump-tax-returns-congress/index.html

Mnuchin won't give a straight answer, there's a shock. But obviously he will resist it.

Aside from the legalities, Trump repeatedly promised to release them, and has not. I think you would have to be a pretty big fool not to suspect there is something in them. At this point, I'm thinking they would not square up with the financials he submitted to banks. So either he defrauded the banks or engaged in tax evasion. Maybe both.
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Serious question...have you ever had money, used banks and filed taxes? Because it seems you don't understand how any of it works.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
They have subpoenaed his financial records (we don't know how far back). They will be compared to what he is claiming on his tax returns. We already know he has been manipulating property values. If he and his family has conspired to undervalue property to pay less in tax on that property then they have committed a crime. Also if he has manipulated the value of his property downward he may be paying less income tax by showing lower capital gains.
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Which would be a state crime and not a federal one, so again. How is this an example of congressional oversight of the executive?
 
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McDad said:
1. Inflation/deflation is not a crime nor is it an income tax issue (as i have proven with my own duplex).

2. No one pays income tax on held property. I noticed you aren't saying "deflated value on sold property".

3. If defrauding banks for loans has been committed, that info wont be in his taxes.

4. MercyPercy had it right on page 1, if this is all you have to force a Congressional investigation it is no more than a political witchunt AND your team will end up with egg on their faces.
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They only want his taxes to figure out what tax rate he paid so they can stir up their poor people base. That is it. It's like people think Trump files his own taxes online....The chances of his involvement is miniscule if not non existent.

It's all about that tax rate.
 
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hog88 said:
Which would be a state crime and not a federal one, so again. How is this an example of congressional oversight of the executive?
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Do you know if they are squawking about property still owned by Trump or property he sold?
 
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McDad said:
1. Inflation/deflation is not a crime nor is it an income tax issue (as i have proven with my own duplex).

2. No one pays income tax on held property. I noticed you aren't saying "deflated value on sold property".

3. If defrauding banks for loans has been committed, that info wont be in his taxes.

4. MercyPercy had it right on page 1, if this is all you have to force a Congressional investigation it is no more than a political witchunt AND your team will end up with egg on their faces.
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You are debating logical points to an emotional crowd . They probably know there’s nothing they will gain in them to help oust him on an illegal standpoint . They do know that the liberal media and all the social platforms will be nit picking them to death 24/7 for weeks with any negative coverage they can come up with . Right now all they have is “ you broke your promise “ . Think of how excited Rachel Maddow was ( and the liberals) when they thought they had them , multiply that X 1000 and that’s what will be your daily news for weeks .
 
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C-south said:
Or maybe he said it’s really none of your business. If there was an issue I’m sure the IRS would make it known but of course you’d rather have congress put on a show.
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Just more obstructionist BS by a Congress that has successfully inaugurated our first anti-American Muslim jihadists and a socialist that is so stupid she can't get to the capital building without a driver. Probably will go down as the most useless House of Rep class in history.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
Just more obstructionist BS by a Congress that has successfully inaugurated our first anti-American Muslim jihadists and a socialist that is so stupid she can't get to the capital building without a driver. Probably will go down as the most useless House of Rep class in history.
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Screech!
 
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Time to ask for Pelosi's and Feinstein's and Schumer's tax returns. Might as well throw in Maxine Waters and Al Green to boot. I just know there are crimes there that need investigating.
 
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luthervol said:
Only one example. His whole national emergency abuse of power is about to be shot down by the senate. How often has that happened?
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funny considering you are the biggest lemming on the board. If Obama declared a national emergency over an endangered salamander you'd be slobbering all over his knob about how great it was
 
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BigOrangeD said:
Time to ask for Pelosi's and Feinstein's and Schumer's tax returns. Might as well throw in Maxine Waters and Al Green to boot. I just know there are crimes there that need investigating.
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No, the POTUS needs to carry a new bill into the conversation that stipulates all members of Congress and in the House will now be required to have a full forensic audit.

Not just the tax returns, but, a full and all encompassing audit that will allow for all elected officials to show they are not corrupt.

You frame it just as that, we want less corruption in government, then allow yourself to be proven to be worthy of serving your elected position. This will also keep dirty people who want to be in politics away from ever running. Going through this will show a true dedication and position of honor and integrity within the positions elected to.

Neither party wants that, so, we really do need to do this. And if I'm POTUS I give every person the chance to tuck tail now and run and avoid the consequences of staying around.....

You justify the need for it to ensure that politicians are there doing what they were elected to do, not there to enrich their, or their spouses, or their friends lives, doing the duty, free from personal greed and gain and focused on representing the constituents that voted them into office to do what they were elected to do, and not just improve their net worth.

Everyone should be for this, everyone, unless you want corruption and self serving politicians, this is hands down one of the best ways to keep honor and transparency in all elected officials.
 
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tennvols77 said:
No, the POTUS needs to carry a new bill into the conversation that stipulates all members of Congress and in the House will now be required to have a full forensic audit.

Not just the tax returns, but, a full and all encompassing audit that will allow for all elected officials to show they are not corrupt.

You frame it just as that, we want less corruption in government, then allow yourself to be proven to be worthy of serving your elected position. This will also keep dirty people who want to be in politics away from ever running. Going through this will show a true dedication and position of honor and integrity within the positions elected to.

Neither party wants that, so, we really do need to do this. And if I'm POTUS I give every person the chance to tuck tail now and run and avoid the consequences of staying around.....

You justify the need for it to ensure that politicians are there doing what they were elected to do, not there to enrich their, or their spouses, or their friends lives, doing the duty, free from personal greed and gain and focused on representing the constituents that voted them into office to do what they were elected to do, and not just improve their net worth.

Everyone should be for this, everyone, unless you want corruption and self serving politicians, this is hands down one of the best ways to keep honor and transparency in all elected officials.
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Agree
 
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We want people to serve honorably and with integrity, we want elected public servants regardless of what they think or what ideology they have, to do as what is intended, serve the people and their constituency, not the party and certainly not themselves.
 
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hog88 said:
Which would be a state crime and not a federal one, so again. How is this an example of congressional oversight of the executive?
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All high crimes and misdemeanors can be investigated. Murder, rape and assault are state crimes too. If he committed on of them impeachment charges could be brought by the House.
 
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