House votes to decriminalize marijuana at federal level

[C-south]

How is it possible for you to misspell "hear", and "heroin" but use the correct "too"???

Spell check messed it up the first time and my edit did two.

 

[kiddiedoc]

This is not an argument for or against legalization, nor a comparison to the ill effects of alcohol or tobacco:

Medically speaking, cannabis most certainly has addictive potential with possibility of nasty withdrawal symptoms, can cause acute psychosis, impairs motor and cognitive function in dose- dependent and unpredictable ways from person to person, and is associated with a number of long term (primarily psychiatric) medical conditions. Causality is difficult to ascertain, but long term use has a strong correlation to mood disorders, depression, anxiety, and comorbid abuse of most every illegal and prescription neuroactive drug category (opiods, cocaine, stimulants, hallucinogens, MDMA, etc).

Physical harms are primarily the result of psychiatric effects, MVA, suicide. There is a laundry list of suspected or possible damage to organs (lungs for sure) and studies demonstrating actual physical changes in brain matter on MRI after chronic abuse.

Again, this is not a comparison to etoh/other drugs.

Just "clearing the air" from a physician standpoint.

 

[C-south]

How do you test for someone under the influence of marijuana.

We can use a BAC reading for alcohol. How does it work for cannabis?

Probably urine or hair and if it’s in your system you fail.

 

[85SugarVol]

I'm pretty sure weed is the only drug that is fat soluble, which is why it stays in your system so long. I believe everything else is water soluble, so 24-48 hours.

Don't quote me on that.

Didn’t you hear the old tales of LSD being detectable for years in the hair follicles?

 

[85SugarVol]

This is not an argument for or against legalization, nor a comparison to the ill effects of alcohol or tobacco:

Medically speaking, cannabis most certainly has addictive potential with possibility of nasty withdrawal symptoms, can cause acute psychosis, impairs motor and cognitive function in dose- dependent and unpredictable ways from person to person, and is associated with a number of long term (primarily psychiatric) medical conditions. Causality is difficult to ascertain, but long term use has a strong correlation to mood disorders, depression, anxiety, and comorbid abuse of most every illegal and prescription neuroactive drug category (opiods, cocaine, stimulants, hallucinogens, MDMA, etc).

Physical harms are primarily the result of psychiatric effects, MVA, suicide. There is a laundry list of suspected or possible damage to organs (lungs for sure) and studies demonstrating actual physical changes in brain matter on MRI after chronic abuse.

Again, this is not a comparison to etoh/other drugs.

Just "clearing the air" from a physician standpoint.

Doc, I’m confused. Are you saying too much can be bad for you?

 

[n_huffhines]

Didn’t you hear the old tales of LSD being detectable for years in the hair follicles?

No. I'm kinda ignorant about it, TBH. I have some friends who are always trying to get me to do it. It sounds amazing, but I'm too chicken. Don't want to find out I love it. Pretty much all I know comes from them, and they aren't talking about the scientific side, LOL.

 

[n_huffhines]

This is not an argument for or against legalization, nor a comparison to the ill effects of alcohol or tobacco:

Medically speaking, cannabis most certainly has addictive potential with possibility of nasty withdrawal symptoms, can cause acute psychosis, impairs motor and cognitive function in dose- dependent and unpredictable ways from person to person, and is associated with a number of long term (primarily psychiatric) medical conditions. Causality is difficult to ascertain, but long term use has a strong correlation to mood disorders, depression, anxiety, and comorbid abuse of most every illegal and prescription neuroactive drug category (opiods, cocaine, stimulants, hallucinogens, MDMA, etc).

Physical harms are primarily the result of psychiatric effects, MVA, suicide. There is a laundry list of suspected or possible damage to organs (lungs for sure) and studies demonstrating actual physical changes in brain matter on MRI after chronic abuse.

Again, this is not a comparison to etoh/other drugs.

Just "clearing the air" from a physician standpoint.

Dude, what?

 

[kiddiedoc]

Doc, I’m confused. Are you saying too much can be bad for you?

LOL, obviously.

Everyone handles different drugs in different ways, but cannabinoids are extremely variable. The amount of THC that a habitual user might find relaxing/enjoyable can cause acute psychosis in another person. Some people relax/chill (and often go on to become regular users and defenders of cannabis), others become paranoid, frightened, or even hallucinate (after all, it is classified as a hallucinogen).

I have seen firsthand, treated, and had patients hospitalized with severe symptoms.

 

[kiddiedoc]

Dude, what?

From the DSM-5. Again, I have witnessed withdrawal first hand numerous times:

B. Three or more of the following signs and symptoms develop within approximately one week after cessation of heavy, prolonged use:

•1. Irritability, anger, or aggression.

•2. Nervousness or anxiety.

•3. Sleep difficulty (ie, insomnia, disturbing dreams).

•4. Decreased appetite or weight loss.

•5. Restlessness.

•6. Depressed mood.

•7. At least one of the following physical symptoms causing significant discomfort: abdominal pain, shakiness/tremors, sweating, fever, chills, or headache.

Family members that I have dealt with had primarily agitation/irritability, borderline psychosis, anorexia, diarrhea.

 

[825VOL]

LOL, obviously.

Everyone handles different drugs in different ways, but cannabinoids are extremely variable. The amount of THC that a habitual user might find relaxing/enjoyable can cause acute psychosis in another person. Some people relax/chill (and often go on to become regular users and defenders of cannabis), others become paranoid, frightened, or even hallucinate (after all, it is classified as a hallucinogen) hallucinogens.

I have seen firsthand, treated, and had patients hospitalized with severe symptoms.

Not wanting to argue with you Doc, but what you said about THC holds true with just about everything. A novice drinker can't keep up with a guy that has been drinking a 5th of jack every 1-2 days. I person that take pills can take 2-3 without many issues as a first timer may have issue with one pill. I have never heard of hallucinating with THC unless it was mixed with something else, but I will take your word for it- altered perception yes, but hallucinations from just weed?

 

[825VOL]

No. I'm kinda ignorant about it, TBH. I have some friends who are always trying to get me to do it. It sounds amazing, but I'm too chicken. Don't want to find out I love it. Pretty much all I know comes from them, and they aren't talking about the scientific side, LOL.

I loved it when I was younger. The first few hours can me fantastic. If you ever do try it, you need to be with someone who has done it before or with someone not doing it that will help to guide you back to a safe place in case you start to have a bad trip.

 

[85SugarVol]

From the DSM-5. Again, I have witnessed withdrawal first hand numerous times:



Family members that I have dealt with had primarily agitation/irritability, borderline psychosis, anorexia, diarrhea.

I have a difficult time visualizing “cannabis withdrawal” even approaching alcohol withdrawal. Not in pain, or dangerousness.

 

[n_huffhines]

From the DSM-5. Again, I have witnessed withdrawal first hand numerous times:

Family members that I have dealt with had primarily agitation/irritability, borderline psychosis, anorexia, diarrhea.

I just can't even fathom any of this. I know a lot of people who smoke weed and I have never heard of anybody talking about withdrawal symptoms, and personally, I have never experienced them, and I've had my runs where I went hard on it.

It's crazy that weed can help with anxiety, cause anxiety, and then also I'm hearing withdrawals cause anxiety.

 

[C-south]

I just can't even fathom any of this. I know a lot of people who smoke weed and I have never heard of anybody talking about withdrawal symptoms, and personally, I have never experienced them, and I've had my runs where I went hard on it.

It's crazy that weed can help with anxiety, cause anxiety, and then also I'm hearing withdrawals cause anxiety.

Maybe their withdrawal symptoms are what they are willing to do to get that next puff. Kinda of funny that there are countless people whose lives revolve around getting high yet it’s not addictive according to some.

 

[85SugarVol]

I just can't even fathom any of this. I know a lot of people who smoke weed and I have never heard of anybody talking about withdrawal symptoms, and personally, I have never experienced them, and I've had my runs where I went hard on it.

It's crazy that weed can help with anxiety, cause anxiety, and then also I'm hearing withdrawals cause anxiety.

Brain chemistry. Affects individuals differently.

 

[n_huffhines]

Brain chemistry. Affects individuals differently.

Totally true, but how could I not know anybody who has any withdrawals? I know plenty of people who don't like weed because it makes them paranoid or it's too hallucinogenic for them, but I've never heard of withdrawals.

 

[85SugarVol]

But how could I not know anybody who has any withdrawals? I know plenty of people who don't like weed because it makes them paranoid or it's too hallucinogenic for them, but I've never heard of withdrawals.

Neither have I.

I was just talking about the anxiety/paranoia aspect of it.

 

[utvolpj]

I have a difficult time visualizing “cannabis withdrawal” even approaching alcohol withdrawal. Not in pain, or dangerousness.

Alcohol withdrawal can kill you. Seems mj withdrawal is closer to tobacco or caffeine

 

[McDad]

Totally true, but how could I not know anybody who has any withdrawals? I know plenty of people who don't like weed because it makes them paranoid or it's too hallucinogenic for them, but I've never heard of withdrawals.

What's the sample size...how many people have you seen quit (temp and permanently)?

 

[n_huffhines]

What's the sample size...how many people have you seen quit (temp and permanently)?

At least a couple dozen. The general consensus has been that it is not addictive. IDK if something with the science changed and refuted that, but as far as I know, it's not anymore addictive than regular enjoyable behaviors, like eating, playing video games, sex, working out, sudoku, etc.

 

[85SugarVol]

Alcohol withdrawal can kill you. Seems mj withdrawal is closer to tobacco or caffeine

Alcohol detox is as dangerous as it comes. And yes, it can kill you.

Thousands die every year trying detox by themselves at home.

It’s nasty.

 

[Rickyvol77]

This is not an argument for or against legalization, nor a comparison to the ill effects of alcohol or tobacco:

Medically speaking, cannabis most certainly has addictive potential with possibility of nasty withdrawal symptoms, can cause acute psychosis, impairs motor and cognitive function in dose- dependent and unpredictable ways from person to person, and is associated with a number of long term (primarily psychiatric) medical conditions. Causality is difficult to ascertain, but long term use has a strong correlation to mood disorders, depression, anxiety, and comorbid abuse of most every illegal and prescription neuroactive drug category (opiods, cocaine, stimulants, hallucinogens, MDMA, etc).

Physical harms are primarily the result of psychiatric effects, MVA, suicide. There is a laundry list of suspected or possible damage to organs (lungs for sure) and studies demonstrating actual physical changes in brain matter on MRI after chronic abuse.

Again, this is not a comparison to etoh/other drugs.

Just "clearing the air" from a physician standpoint.

This is 100% spot on

 

[Rickyvol77]

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I just can't even fathom any of this. I know a lot of people who smoke weed and I have never heard of anybody talking about withdrawal symptoms, and personally, I have never experienced them, and I've had my runs where I went hard on it.

It's crazy that weed can help with anxiety, cause anxiety, and then also I'm hearing withdrawals cause anxiety.

This is the problem when you rely on anecdotal “well back in the 80s, me and billy bob toked up some reefer in his dads basement and we were fine” instead of actual every week type cases dealt with and seen by healthcare workers, psychiatrists and law enforcement

 

[McDad]

At least a couple dozen. The general consensus has been that it is not addictive. IDK if something with the science changed and refuted that, but as far as I know, it's not anymore addictive than regular enjoyable behaviors, like eating, playing video games, sex, working out, sudoku, etc.

I haven't known anybody with issues. I don't know a lot who use. My brother smoked but died from alcohol.

 

[utvolpj]

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This is the problem when you rely on anecdotal “well back in the 80s, me and billy bob toked up some reefer in his dads basement and we were fine” instead of actual every week type cases dealt with and seen by healthcare workers, psychiatrists and law enforcement

How many healthcare workers, psychiatrists and law enforcement are also in favor of banning alcohol? How about tobacco? Sugary drinks? If the real concern was about society or the health of the individual then all of those would be included as well. Are we really going to keep pretending that's real?