House votes to decriminalize marijuana at federal level

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hog88 said:
I know the abuse of drugs and alcohol are bad for the human body. I do not do drugs and don't drink much but I also firmly believe the war on drugs has been a colossal failure just as prohibition was,
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Dude can’t see the forest for the trees.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
I also believe if someone smokes cigarettes or inhales paint thinner or drinks bleach or similar stuff are ALSO idiots. I would absolutely call that out as stupid low IQ behavior as well.

And people who use marijuana recreationally daily ARE potheads, what else would you call them?

Dictionary says pothead is “someone who habitually smokes marijuana”
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you're using it as a pejorative and you know it. It makes your comments much less believable (which is difficult)

Can now call all recreational drinkers alcoholics?
 
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C-south said:
Make people revert to weed? 🤣 For the vast majority of social drinkers I highly doubt they would have to “detox” or die from detoxing/withdrawal. You guys act like everyone that’s ever had a beer would drink after shave if they went a day without a drink.
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Just like you act as if everyone who smokes pot is an unsuccessful basement dweller. There are plenty who would describe themselves as a social drinker who actually need it. More than weed imo
 
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hog88 said:
I know the abuse of drugs and alcohol are bad for the human body. I do not do drugs and don't drink much but I also firmly believe the war on drugs has been a colossal failure just as prohibition was,
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You're just a layperson, you're not a professional at spotting alcohol and drug abuse like Ricky.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Correct. If I smoked in the last 7 days.

How can you tell if I’m under the influence of cannabis right now?
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There are metabolites that will show up on blood tests that indicate whether the body has recently consumed marijuana. A coroner will test for them when drug intoxication is at issue, they’re generally not performed by a hospital for treatment.

They also go away very quickly, they have a half life of about 30 minutes, and can’t be reliably used to estimate a degree of impairment.
 
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utvolpj said:
you're using it as a pejorative and you know it. It makes your comments much less believable (which is difficult)

Can now call all recreational drinkers alcoholics?
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But not all drinkers are alcoholics. By definition all habitual pot smokers are potheads. You can look it up yourself and sorry you don’t like the term but that’s exactly what it is
 
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RockyTop85 said:
There are metabolites that will show up on blood tests that indicate whether the body has recently consumed marijuana. A coroner will test for them when drug intoxication is at issue, they’re generally not performed by a hospital for treatment.

They also go away very quickly, they have a half life of about 30 minutes, and can’t be reliably used to estimate a degree of impairment.
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You are incorrect. Full drug screens are ran all the time on patients for treatment purposes for a variety of reasons.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
But not all drinkers are alcoholics. By definition all habitual pot smokers are potheads. You can look it up yourself and sorry you don’t like the term but that’s exactly what it is
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A habitual drinker would be just the same. You're telling on slang to make your insult stick
 
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utvolpj said:
Just like you act as if everyone who smokes pot is an unsuccessful basement dweller. There are plenty who would describe themselves as a social drinker who actually need it. More than weed imo
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Ricky sees the world in black and white. What a view that must be.
 
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utvolpj said:
A habitual drinker would be just the same. You're telling on slang to make your insult stick
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The definition of an alcoholic is a person suffering from alcoholism. And I would call someone who fit that description an alcoholic. That’s factual not an insult. Didn’t realize that you were one who gets defensive and in the feels about textbook definitions. Potheads are habitual users of marijuana. That is a factual statement
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
The definition of an alcoholic is a person suffering from alcoholism. And I would call someone who fit that description an alcoholic. That’s factual not an insult. Didn’t realize that you were one who gets defensive and in the feels about textbook definitions. Potheads are habitual users of marijuana. That is a factual statement
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You're using slang to define it. That's laughable from such a medical professional as yourself. Someone smoking it daily is no more or less dependent on it than a daily drinker. It's admirable you keep trying to defend a stance that is so hypocritical. It's not working but it's admirable

Merriam Webster
continued excessive or compulsive use of alcoholic drinks
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utvolpj said:
You're using slang to define it. That's laughable from such a medical professional as yourself. Someone smoking it daily is no more or less dependent on it than a daily drinker. It's admirable you keep trying to defend a stance that is so hypocritical. It's not working but it's admirable

Merriam Webster
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Where did I defend being an alcoholic? I have yet to see what hypocritical stance you keep saying that I’ve taken. I’ve consistently pointed out the negative effects that marijuana has just like kiddiedoc did on the body and on society.

And people across first responders and the medical profession are well aware of the issues with being a pothead. That’s again factual and not hypocritical at all. I also don’t support being an alcoholic or a chain smoker or a heroin user and i think people that do those things are idiots and weak
 
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RockyTop85 said:
There are metabolites that will show up on blood tests that indicate whether the body has recently consumed marijuana. A coroner will test for them when drug intoxication is at issue, they’re generally not performed by a hospital for treatment.

They also go away very quickly, they have a half life of about 30 minutes, and can’t be reliably used to estimate a degree of impairment.
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I was hoping you would pop in here.

An intoxicated driver causes a wreck, blows a .08, and someone dies. He’s in trouble.

A guy smoked on Friday night, caused the above wreck on a Sunday morning. If he has a good attorney is he in trouble? Cause the piss test is coming back.

Is it possible to legally prove he was under the influence at the time of the wreck? (Which in the above scenario, he was not)
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Where did I defend being an alcoholic? I have yet to see what hypocritical stance you keep saying that I’ve taken. I’ve consistently pointed out the negative effects that marijuana has just like kiddiedoc did on the body and on society.

And people across first responders and the medical profession are well aware of the issues with being a pothead. That’s again factual and not hypocritical at all. I also don’t support being an alcoholic or a chain smoker or a heroin user and i think people that do those things are idiots and weak
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Your hypocritical stance is backing/supporting the ban on mj because of the "dangers" it presents while not acknowledging that the same people banning it support much worse substances being sold and consumed absolutely everywhere

The definition I supplied also shows that your example when using booze is an alcoholic.
 
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utvolpj said:
Your hypocritical stance is backing/supporting the ban on mj because of the "dangers" it presents while not acknowledging that the same people banning it support much worse substances being sold and consumed absolutely everywhere

The definition I supplied also shows that your example when using booze is an alcoholic.
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Did I “back it and support it” or did I say I don’t care if people smoked weed at home and then gave factual reasons to why the laws existed and how if it were legal it wouldn’t change anything in terms of crime?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
You are incorrect. Full drug screens are ran all the time on patients for treatment purposes for a variety of reasons.
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I didn’t say that hospitals don’t do drug screens. They test for THC-COOH, which is one of about 80 metabolites of THC. It’s also very fat soluble and the levels in the blood vary depending on a number of factors, making it basically guesswork to determine whether there has been recent consumption.

There are other metabolites that are less fat soluble, but I’ve never seen a hospital test for those, only coroners, once, and it was outsourced to an out-of-state lab.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I didn’t say that hospitals don’t do drug screens. They test for THC-COOH, which is one of about 80 metabolites of THC. It’s also very fat soluble and the levels in the blood vary depending on a number of factors, making it basically guesswork to determine whether there has been recent consumption.

There are other metabolites that are less fat soluble, but I’ve never seen a hospital test for those, only coroners, once, and it was outsourced to an out-of-state lab.
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Labcorp does it routinely.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Did I “back it and support it” or did I say I don’t care if people smoked weed at home and then gave factual reasons to why the laws existed and how if it were legal it wouldn’t change anything in terms of crime?
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Just answer two simple questions instead of dancing around them and obsessing over the phrase "at home" (you never say "I don't care if someone drinks at home").

Do you think weed should be illegal?

Do you think alcohol should be illegal?
 
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