House votes to decriminalize marijuana at federal level

[Rickyvol77]

How many healthcare workers, psychiatrists and law enforcement are also in favor of banning alcohol? How about tobacco? Sugary drinks? If the real concern was about society or the health of the individual then all of those would be included as well. Are we really going to keep pretending that's real?

There are literally no healthcare workers who advocate for drinking alcohol daily or for ever smoking cigarettes, because they understand the negative health effects of those behaviors too. As for diet, most will tell you what the healthiest options are for each particular patient. Potheads are the only ones who constantly harp about why it’s “good” to smoke weed recreationally, despite all the scientific evidence to the contrary

 

[utvolpj]

Alcohol detox is as dangerous as it comes. And yes, it can kill you.

Thousands die every year trying detox by themselves at home.

It’s nasty.

It's also why alcohol distribution throughout covid shutdowns ranked the same as food and beverage on the essential scale. What would a nationwide alcohol shutdown/detox do to the US?

 

[n_huffhines]

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This is the problem when you rely on anecdotal “well back in the 80s, me and billy bob toked up some reefer in his dads basement and we were fine” instead of actual every week type cases dealt with and seen by healthcare workers, psychiatrists and law enforcement

Well, I haven't relied entirely on anecdotal, I just don't have stats and citations from books I've read readily available for this conversation, and have yet to see the data that refutes my position.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Well, I haven't relied entirely on anecdotal, I just don't have stats and citations from books I've read readily available for this conversation, and have yet to see the data that refutes my position.

You could actually go talk to ED physicians or better yet attend a medical school. They will be happy to share it

 

[utvolpj]

There are literally no healthcare workers who advocate for drinking alcohol daily or for ever smoking cigarettes, because they understand the negative health effects of those behaviors too. As for diet, most will tell you what the healthiest options are for each particular patient. Potheads are the only ones who constantly harp about why it’s “good” to smoke weed recreationally, despite all the scientific evidence to the contrary

That wasn't what was asked. Are they for banning it? You like to speak for all those groups so I'm guessing they also share your hypocritical stance. I'm guessing most also partake in at least one of those daily. But hey, reefer kills!

It shouldn't be banned, good or bad. Consistency

 

[85SugarVol]

It's also why alcohol distribution throughout covid shutdowns ranked the same as food and beverage on the essential scale. What would a nationwide alcohol shutdown/detox do to the US?

Absolutely.

I said it at the time when others questioned why liquor stores were being kept open. They thought they had a nightmare with Covid.

Turn the booze off for millions of Americans… and in 24-48 hours you’ll have a true national nightmare.

You think that hospital capacity was stressed under Covid? That was child’s play.

 

[utvolpj]

Absolutely.

I said it at the time when others questioned why liquor stores were being kept open. They thought they had a nightmare with Covid.

Turn the booze off for millions of Americans… and in 24-48 hours you’ll have a true national nightmare.

You think that hospital capacity was stressed under Covid? That was child’s play.

My company runs liquor, beer and wine warehouses and those couldn't keep up with demand. Still can't really

 

[Rickyvol77]

That wasn't what was asked. Are they for banning it? You like to speak for all those groups so I'm guessing they also share your hypocritical stance. I'm guessing most also partake in at least one of those daily. But hey, reefer kills!

It shouldn't be banned, good or bad. Consistency

What is my hypocritical stance again?
I’ve not called for “banning” anything, and I’ve said no one would care about people smoking weed in their homes. I’ve laid out the societal reasons of why it’s still illegal (DUIs, other crimes related to it, testing issues vs other drugs, business requirements) and I’ve stated accurate factual scientific information of the negative aspects of using marijuana on the human body.

You want me to say smoking weed is no big deal and doesn’t hurt anyone and that’s a factual lie. I don’t care if you damage your brain or get cancer smoking weed anymore than I do if you smoke cigarettes, the fact is it is stupid and ruins lives and kills people.

 

[n_huffhines]

You could actually go talk to ED physicians or better yet attend a medical school. They will be happy to share it

Cool, I thought you might have it.

An ED physician is going to show me the data on marijuana withdrawals? Why would he?

I just found a study showing that 44% of people who quit smoking weed suffer from at least 2 symptoms of withdrawal. Among those include anxiety, restlessness, depression, and insomnia. People smoke weed because they already have problems those symptoms. I smoke weed because I like it, but I like it mostly because it helps with my anxiety and insomnia. If I stopped smoking, I would have increased anxiety and I'd stop sleeping well and I'd be counted as someone with withdrawals, but really I'm just no longer getting the benefit of weed.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Absolutely.

I said it at the time when others questioned why liquor stores were being kept open. They thought they had a nightmare with Covid.

Turn the booze off for millions of Americans… and in 24-48 hours you’ll have a true national nightmare.

You think that hospital capacity was stressed under Covid? That was child’s play.

Lol you really believe that hospitals are having bigger issues from alcoholic withdrawals than drug use? There are maybe 2-3 alcoholic withdrawals out of our 730 plus patients a day and maybe 3-4 more alcohol-related accidents or domestics vs about 50-100+ drug related issues and ODs a day

 

[Rickyvol77]

Cool, I thought you might have it.

An ED physician is going to show me the data on marijuana withdrawals? Why would he?

I just found a study showing that 44% of people who quit smoking weed suffer from at least 2 symptoms of withdrawal. Among those include anxiety, restlessness, depression, and insomnia. People smoke weed because they have problems with all of those. I smoke weed because I like it, but I like it mostly because it helps with my anxiety and insomnia. If I stopped smoking, I would have increased anxiety and I'd stop sleeping well and I'd be counted as someone with withdrawals, but really I'm not just no longer getting the benefit of weed.

Do you often think that abusing narcotics that isn’t prescribed to you is the smartest way to go? Do you care that you are damaging your body as well as messing up your brain’s higher cognitive functioning?

 

[utvolpj]

What is my hypocritical stance again?
I’ve not called for “banning” anything, and I’ve said no one would care about people smoking weed in their homes. I’ve laid out the societal reasons of why it’s still illegal (DUIs, other crimes related to it, testing issues vs other drugs, business requirements) and I’ve stated accurate factual scientific information of the negative aspects of using marijuana on the human body.

You want me to say smoking weed is no big deal and doesn’t hurt anyone and that’s a factual lie. I don’t care if you damage your brain or get cancer smoking weed anymore than I do if you smoke cigarettes, the fact is it is stupid and ruins lives and kills people.

You've routinely backed weed being illegal while ignoring the others. Weed is less of an issue in society than alcohol. If you back weed remaining illegal then you should also be clamoring for repeal of the 21st

There's really nothing that can't be used improperly and cause harm. All the could, can, might, etc are all just half-assed reasons to target one substance that the govt said was bad. Of course why they did that was a scam as well

 

[utvolpj]

Lol you really believe that hospitals are having bigger issues from alcoholic withdrawals than drug use? There are maybe 2-3 alcoholic withdrawals out of our 730 plus patients a day and maybe 3-4 more alcohol-related accidents or domestics vs about 50-100+ drug related issues and ODs a day

No need since it's readily available everywhere and there's no limit to how much one can buy

How many weed od's you get per day?

 

[n_huffhines]

Do you often think that abusing narcotics that isn’t prescribed to you is the smartest way to go? Do you care that you are damaging your body as well as messing up your brain’s higher cognitive functioning?

What does that have to do with what I'm talking about?

You just described a normal American diet, forget about the average cop's, so I don't wanna hear those points in opposition to weed.

 

[Rickyvol77]

What does that have to do with what I'm talking about?

You just described a normal American diet, forget about the average cop's, so I don't wanna hear those points in opposition to weed.

Because it’s two completely different subjects. Potheads are always trying to make excuses for weed or make it something it isn’t like some miracle drug when it’s not especially when used recreationally.

The 2nd thing is the “well at least it’s not heroin” type rationale which is completely not the point either.

It’s not about comparison honestly. It’s saying that abusing marijuana, especially recreationally has far more negative effects on the human mind and body than any positive thing it could produce (outside of someone with stage 4 colon cancer for pain or MS).

I’ve simply stated facts time and again as kiddiedoc said above of WHY marijuana is bad for people to use, the effects it has on people, and listed the reasons as why it’s still illegal in most places.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

I smoked a lot of weed in my teenage days and into my early 20s. Haven’t smoked any in about 13 years (made a personal choice to call it quits). Since I was an avid user in the past, I sympathize with people that want to get high. In my opinion they are not bad individuals because they toke ganja. It doesn’t take a genius to realize that smoking MJ is a bad health decision however people make poor health choices all of the time. Those poor choices in many instances equate to MJ use imo. There are numerous amounts of people that use MJ who are just common folk and not criminals we come in contact with. Who are those everyday people we encounter most likely on a daily basis? How about friends, neighbors, colleagues, church goers, business owners, teachers, etc.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I smoked a lot of weed in my teenage days and into my early 20s. Haven’t smoked any in about 13 years (made a personal choice to call it quits). Since I was an avid user in the past, I sympathize with people that want to get high. In my opinion they are not bad individuals because they toke ganja. It doesn’t take a genius to realize that smoking MJ is a bad health decision however people make poor health choices all of the time. Those poor choices in many instances equate to MJ use imo. There are numerous amounts of people that use MJ who are just common folk and not criminals we come in contact with. Who are those everyday people we encounter most likely on a daily basis? How about friends, neighbors, colleagues, church goers, business owners, teachers, etc.

All drug addicts started as friends, neighbors, church goers etc. doesn’t make all of them bad people at all.

 

[utvolpj]

All drug addicts started as friends, neighbors, church goers etc. doesn’t make all of them bad people at all.

Everyone who smokes weed is not a drug addict anymore than everyone who drinks alcohol is an alcoholic

Your constant name calling gives away your position

 

[Rickyvol77]

Everyone who smokes weed is not a drug addict anymore than everyone who drinks alcohol is an alcoholic

Your constant name calling gives away your position

I didn’t say everyone who smokes weed is a drug addict. Jeez

 

[utvolpj]

I didn’t say everyone who smokes weed is a drug addict. Jeez

You usually call them that and potheads for anyone who dares believe it's not as bad as you like to claim. Maybe you should stop treating them as the same on most of your posts. Most are talking about weed when you jump in and rant on about ODs and fentanyl.

There are numerous things more dangerous than weed that can be bought at the grocery or liquor store. Maybe you should campaign against those as well. That's your hypocrisy

 

[PKT_VOL]

There are literally no healthcare workers who advocate for drinking alcohol daily or for ever smoking cigarettes, because they understand the negative health effects of those behaviors too.

This is not true. My grandfather was prescribed a daily glass of wine a day by his doctor.

 

[Rickyvol77]

You usually call them that and potheads for anyone who dares believe it's not as bad as you like to claim. Maybe you should stop treating them as the same on most of your posts. Most are talking about weed when you jump in and rant on about ODs and fentanyl.

There are numerous things more dangerous than weed that can be bought at the grocery or liquor store. Maybe you should campaign against those as well. That's your hypocrisy

I also believe if someone smokes cigarettes or inhales paint thinner or drinks bleach or similar stuff are ALSO idiots. I would absolutely call that out as stupid low IQ behavior as well.

And people who use marijuana recreationally daily ARE potheads, what else would you call them?

Dictionary says pothead is “someone who habitually smokes marijuana”

 

[C-south]

It's also why alcohol distribution throughout covid shutdowns ranked the same as food and beverage on the essential scale. What would a nationwide alcohol shutdown/detox do to the US?

Make people revert to weed? For the vast majority of social drinkers I highly doubt they would have to “detox” or die from detoxing/withdrawal. You guys act like everyone that’s ever had a beer would drink after shave if they went a day without a drink.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Make people revert to weed? For the vast majority of social drinkers I highly doubt they would have to “detox” or die from detoxing/withdrawal. You guys act like everyone that’s ever had a beer would drink after shave if they went a day without a drink.

The ignorance of laypeople on drugs and alcohol and their effects on the human body is astounding. Our education system plus the glorification of using drugs as some kind of “counter culture stick it to the man” thing in tv and movies have really dumbed them down to what reality is, both in healthcare and in law enforcement

 

[hog88]

The ignorance of laypeople on drugs and alcohol and their effects on the human body is astounding. Our education system plus the glorification of using drugs as some kind of “counter culture stick it to the man” thing in tv and movies have really dumbed them down to what reality is, both in healthcare and in law enforcement

I know the abuse of drugs and alcohol are bad for the human body. I do not do drugs and don't drink much but I also firmly believe the war on drugs has been a colossal failure just as prohibition was,