How can he not be fired or suspended?

#76
#76
ddubb76 said:
you realize that your argument names three successful coaches in the history of our fine program right?
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Keep showing the knowledge, man. I didn't even mention Mears, who was arguably just as good if not better than Pearl. That takes us back almost 50 years. How much further would you like to go?
 
#77
#77
LawVol13 said:
Keep showing the knowledge, man. I didn't even mention Mears, who was arguably just as good if not better than Pearl. That takes us back almost 50 years. How much further would you like to go?
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I just said your argument named three, but ill give you four,inclusive of the one we are trying to run out on rails
 
#78
#78
LawVol13 said:
Bolded section: Wrong. Bruce has made 5 straight. Devoe made 5 straight as well.

Green had us ranked 4th and he was a pathetic coach. And Devoe also won the SEC tourney.

Just so it's clear, I think Pearl is better than DeVoe and Green. But, what their successes show is that people other than Pearl can be very successful here.
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Yea, I forgot about his first year. But as for DeVoe...yea he took us to the tournament for his first 5 years, but you seem to forget that in the next 6 years he didn't. Plus after that pour stretch he left to Navy to be a barely above .500 ball coach. Bruce Pearl ,however, went 51-13 at Wisconsin-Milwaukee. (Yea its Wisconsin-Milwaukee but he wins. He took them to 1 NIT and 2 tournaments including 1 sweet sixteen.)

What I'm trying to say is that, no matter where Pearl has been, he wins and will continue to win. It is this fact and this fact alone that I believe Pearl is the Best we can do.
 
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#79
#79
Zeppelin18241 said:
Yea, I forgot about his first year. But as for DeVoe...yea he took us to the tournament for his first 5 years, but you seem to forget that in the next 6 years he didn't. Plus after that pour stretch he left to Navy to be a barely above .500 ball coach. Bruce Pearl ,however, went 51-13 at Wisconsin-Milwaukee.

What I'm trying to say is that, no matter where Pearl has been, he wins and will continue to win. It is this fact and this fact alone that I believe Pearl is the Best we can do.
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couples with the fact that we have had three successful coaches in 50 years according to law, but we should be able to pick up another winner quickly.(last statement sarcasm)
 
#80
#80
Zeppelin18241 said:
Yea, I forgot about his first year. But as for DeVoe...yea he took us to the tournament for his first 5 years, but you seem to forget that in the next 6 years he didn't. Plus after that pour stretch he left to Navy to be a barely above .500 ball coach. Bruce Pearl ,however, went 51-13 at Wisconsin-Milwaukee. (Yea its Wisconsin-Milwaukee but he wins. He took them to 1 NIT and 2 tournaments including 1 sweet sixteen.)

What I'm trying to say is that, no matter where Pearl has been, he wins and will continue to win. It is this fact and this fact alone that I believe Pearl is the Best we can do.
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This is wrong. He made the 'AAs in his last year with Tennessee. And he went on to make 3 more 'AA appearances at Navy before sucking towards the end of his tenure there.

Also, regarding Pearl's tenure at Milwaukee. He stepped into a nice situation replacing Bo Ryan and took advantage of it.
 
#81
#81
If you don't consistently make the tournament at Navy, you obviously aren't much of a coach, especially with all the talent they pull in every year.
 
#82
#82
LawVol13 said:
This is wrong. He made the 'AAs in his last year with Tennessee. And he went on to make 3 more 'AA appearances at Navy before sucking towards the end of his tenure there.

Also, regarding Pearl's tenure at Milwaukee. He stepped into a nice situation replacing Bo Ryan and took advantage of it.
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I feel like no matter how much I disagree with you, I'm not gonna persuade you that Pearl's the best UT coach we've had and will have
 
#83
#83
Zeppelin18241 said:
I feel like no matter how much I disagree with you, I'm not gonna persuade you that Pearl's the best UT coach we've had and will have
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You're right because there's absolutely no evidence that we can't hire a very good coach besides Bruce Pearl.
 
#84
#84
Zeppelin18241 said:
I feel like no matter how much I disagree with you, I'm not gonna persuade you that Pearl's the best UT coach we've had and will have
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You apparently haven't followed UT basketball very long. Mears would have made the tournament every year with the current tournament format. If was very different when only the SEC champion made the tournament. If you really want to discuss who brought the basketball program national attention, it was Mears.
 
#85
#85
LawVol13 said:
You're right because there's absolutely no evidence that we can't hire a very good coach besides Bruce Pearl.
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haha lawvol wants evidence. I think the reason myself along with a large portion of volnation believe that we can't hire a better coach is because in all honesty, Tennessee is not a desirable basketball school. Yea theres a chance that we make a decent hire, but its hard to do better than a coach who's made the tournament every year and made history at UT twice (with and elite 8 and number 1 ranking). I do understand where your coming from though.
 
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#86
#86
Zeppelin18241 said:
haha lawvol wants evidence. I think the reason myself along with a large portion of volnation believe that we can't hire a better coach is because in all honesty, Tennessee is not a desirable basketball. Yea theres a chance that we make a decent hire, but its hard to do better than a coach who's made the tournament every year and made history at UT twice (with and elite 8 and number 1 ranking). I do understand where your coming from though.
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You're right. Most coaches just laugh at $2 million per year.
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
You apparently haven't followed UT basketball very long. Mears would have made the tournament every year with the current tournament format. If was very different when only the SEC champion made the tournament. If you really want to discuss who brought the basketball program national attention, it was Mears.
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Mears win percentage at ut=71.282%

Pearls win percentage at ut=71.525%

Pretty crazy. Didn't realize they were that close.
 
#92
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Zeppelin18241 said:
I feel like no matter how much I disagree with you, I'm not gonna persuade you that Pearl's the best UT coach we've had and will have
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Note to Zep: this is an internet message board. Nobody convinces anybody of anything by arguing on here...
 
#93
#93
Zeppelin18241 said:
haha lawvol wants evidence. I think the reason myself along with a large portion of volnation believe that we can't hire a better coach is because in all honesty, Tennessee is not a desirable basketball school. Yea theres a chance that we make a decent hire, but its hard to do better than a coach who's made the tournament every year and made history at UT twice (with and elite 8 and number 1 ranking). I do understand where your coming from though.
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That's a damn lie. If there is anything Mike Hamilton has done right, it's him raising funds for basketball. We have one of the best practice facilities in the country. We have a beautiful arena. We now have a foothold in the Atlanta area. A lot of this goes to Bruce Pearl and I won't deny that. However, saying UT is not a desirable basketball job is absolutely crazy. And if we pay the new coach as much as we do Bruce (right around $2M), there will be plenty of coaches that would want to come here. That bolded part is just absolutely not true.
 
#94
#94
Bruce should be fired. But because MH is on thin ice himself he can't do it. His career lives or dies with Bruce.
 
#95
#95
Jimmy Dykes just made an appearance during the Ole Miss/Arkansas game and was talking about the BP situation. Interesting insight...he said this story would continue to play out throughout the season and that we're really going to find out a lot about BP throughout the process. He also said BP has always faced a hard road, but nothing like this. They also talked about the "new low that TN athletics has reached".
 
#96
#96
VOLywood said:
Jimmy Dykes just made an appearance during the Ole Miss/Arkansas game and was talking about the BP situation. Interesting insight...he said this story would continue to play out throughout the season and that we're really going to find out a lot about BP throughout the process. He also said BP has always faced a hard road, but nothing like this. They also talked about the "new low that TN athletics has reached".
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Yea, I don't think I'd be so opposed of a new hire if the football program wasn't in absolute shambles right now. It's hard enough as a fan rebuilding in one sport. Oh and welcome to the board
 
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#97
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BasketVolKid said:
I'm sure many of you have seen this article: Dana O'Neil: Latest Pearl revelation is most troubling of all - ESPN

O'neil paints a gloomy picture for Pearl (and MH too).

But the facts are what they. Pearl INTENTIONALLY violated NCAA rules and then lied about it to the NCAA's face. I mean this is so LOLOL!!!

I'll admit I've gone back and forth about Pearl. I loved his enthusiasm and the Bradshaw-Lofton teams and their scrappiness. Then I was very frustrated the last two years with the inconsistent effort and lack of discipline are teams displayed. Then suddenly we make an Elite 8... LOL!

I can't imagine the NCAA won't make an example out of Pearl. The guy BLATANTLY violated clearly stated NCAA rules. Then BLATANTLY lied when directly question by the 'AA. There is no gray area here. How can the NCAA not suspend pearl or place some significant penalties on UT bball? I mean he told the families "we are all knowingly breaking NCAA rules here". WTF??? LOL!!! He knowingly put all those kids freshman years in jeopardy. I can't imagine the 'AA not coming down hard concerning all of this.
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tell us how you really feel.
why don;t you call MH and tell him that he needs to do what you tell him.:birgits_giggle:
 
#98
#98
I believe the pay cut and no off campus recruiting with some game suspensions should be enough to satisfy the powers that be. Let's get behind our team and win the SEC GO VOLS
 
#99
#99
I think Pearl is a good coach. I dont necessarily think he's great but he did an amazing job taking the Vol basketball program, with very little history, and filling up a 21,000+ arena and taking you all to your first Elite Eight ever.

My question is why not let him go now? This scenario is going to get worse and worse and its going to drag out for quite awhile. Letting him go would show the university wants to continue succeeding in bball as well as operating within the rules of the NCAA. there are several coaches out there that can continue success and stay out of trouble. I think the Vol Nation is shooting themselves in the foot by allowing this to drag on forever. Recruits are already getting a heavy dose of this and the only way its going to end is with the firing of Pearl. Just my opinion.
 
#100
#100
bc here is the deal. we are going to get the hammer thrown down on us. so no decent coach is going to give up his job to come to a school about to get a couple years ban on the tournament and probation etc....

so we might as well keep a good coach and just weather the storm with bruce...bc we could risk firing bruce then ending up with a crappy replacement and still be on probation....

i say stick with bruce and just make sure he is playing by the rules...
 
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