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therealUT said:
When the FHA was established (an FDR program, then bolstered by the Truman Admin with VA Loans), red lining was not only allowed it was encouraged. Combined with "urban renewal" this led to the situation today in which we have mostly white suburban areas and mostly African-American inner cities.

The effects of the change in renting to owning, for most white Americans, meant that they were acquiring equity while African-Americans were not. This also led to higher tax revenue basis in the suburbs, in turn to better public schooling, public works projects, etc.

The situation is exacerbated as wealth and net worth, along with better education, was passed down to follow generations of whites, while most African-Americans had to continually start over again, basically on their own.

The "problem" has largely been corrected, as it pertains to red-lining and lending. However, the effects of underfunded school systems and city districts will continue to plague many for a couple more generations.
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since abolition till the 1960s statistically every generation of african americans was better off (by education, income [compared to whites], crime, and standing) than the prior generation. Since the mid 1960 this trend has stopped and even arguably decreased. The question is why? Has the culture of bettering themselves been lost in the past 50 years or did the issues you have mentioned either finally catch up with progress or get worse. i have no answer.
 
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allvol123 said:
He believes in leveling the playing fields via government intervention. My belief is that he thinks minorities are still not on level playing field in this country and will thus make decisons based on this belief.
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fair enough. We'll have to disagree on this one.
 
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droski said:
bingo. the man has an agenda and it's one that benefits a very small portion of this country. edit: just look at his supposed "race uniting" speach where he compared white people's anger over affirmative action to the anger of his racist preacher. or how about when he talked about how his grandmother was afraid of black people. classy guy.
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I am glad you are finally seeing that Obama is a classy guy. Seriously, sarcasm aside, why do you think it was not classy to give a speech on race. I thought it was a good speech to set the record straight on where he stands.
 
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allvol123 said:
He believes in leveling the playing fields via government intervention. My belief is that he thinks minorities are still not on level playing field in this country and will thus make decisons based on this belief.
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I don't see any difference in his stance on these issues compared to John Edwards or Hillary Clinton.
 
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jkell24 said:
I am glad you are finally seeing that Obama is a classy guy. Seriously, sarcasm aside, why do you think it was not classy to give a speech on race. I thought it was a good speech to set the record straight on where he stands.
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i don't mind that he gives a speech on race i just mind the fact that he thinks white people being angry over affirmitive action is the same as what his preacher said. one is a somewhat reasonable anger, the other is not. he just doesn't get it. i felt like he was defending his preachers racist remarks by implying that everyone else is a racist too.
 
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jkell24 said:
Point being that if Obama is doing this for racial reasons than why are Edwards or Clinton?
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they may say similar things, but edwards and clinton don't have a history of surrounding themselves with the same type of people obama does.
 
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#64
Are you referring to Bill, Hill or both?

I would think that Bill surrounded himself with those people.
 
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I just don't think Obama's policies in regard to helping minorities are that far off with all the white democrats in the world so i don't know why his decisions are racially motivated while others are not.
 
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#67
I think, like many politicians, Obama allows his audience (at the time) to hear what they want. That applies to the race issue also. Defend his pastor during one speech, condone those type of comments in another, and then there is always the, "throw your relatives under the bus" route. This guy is a triple threat folks!
 
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emainvol said:
I have never had any kind of problem discussing race issues with my African American friends, and I also don't really know what you mean by "peace will never happen." I guess I missed the start of the race war.
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I don't know about a war, but I know that all of us have a natural affinity for those most like us and a natural inclination toward justifying our own at the expense of those different, regardless of differentiating factor (be it hair color, private v public school, skin color, socio-economic differences, education levels, favorite football team, hobby, profession, etc.) I hate racism to my core, but to look past our natural differences and the jaundiced views they cause is missing the boat as egregiously.

In the words of modern race relations expert Eddie Murphy: "I don't mean to be racist or anything, but if you're green, somethin' got to be wrong with yo' (female anatomy part)"
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I don't know about a war, but I know that all of us have a natural affinity for those most like us and a natural inclination toward justifying our own at the expense of those different, regardless of differentiating factor (be it hair color, private v public school, skin color, socio-economic differences, education levels, favorite football team, hobby, profession, etc.) I hate racism to my core, but to look past our natural differences and the jaundiced views they cause is missing the boat as egregiously.
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I agree with you, but a statement like "peace will never happen" and implying that racial issues cannot be discussed with members of other races are absolutely wrong.
 
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droski said:
bill did not have known black seperatists as his primary advisors or a racist preacher.
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Ok, so which one is it? Is he an outright racist that doesn't like white people or is he a racist because of his policies? I was looking at the quote that said he wasn't a racist but he was maybe racist in making decisions based on a person's skin color. If I look at his policies and they are similar to other democrats than how is that relevant? I just don't see any glaring difference that would tell me his policies were made by the seperatist and racist around him when they look like policies of another democrat.
 
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