How long will DeBoer last at bama?

How long will DeBoer last at Bama?

  • 1 year

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • 2 years

    Votes: 19 7.9%

  • 3 years

    Votes: 140 57.9%

  • 4 years

    Votes: 82 33.9%
  • Total voters
    242
#51
#51
wmcovol said:
He’s winning & probably will make the playoffs but will he get EVERY frickin call like Saban did?
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Bet Saban didn't leave an envelope saying "and this is how much you have to pay these refs if you want to win here & keep your job".
 
#52
#52
BowlBrother85 said:
I hope that "QB whisperer" isn't becoming the next catch phrase. That is so silly .... like QB's are horses or snakes or something. It's dumb.

If I were an Alabama fan, I would be cautiously optimistic. It's not like DeBoer has a lengthy resume of coaching major college football.
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It will be interesting to see what happens when the stable of 5 stars are gone and the refs aren't getting paid anymore. I'm thinking it's going to turn out like the Jimbo Fisher experience at TX A&M whereas the expectations are so high and as the recruiting falls off so do the bandwagon wheels. The natives will become restless in short order.
 
#53
#53
Wireless1 said:
This situation is going to be very interesting to watch. DeBoer was able to take a 4 year starting QB with him to UW where he lead the offense for 2 years. Who on Bama roster can be a day one starter in his system? UW was over the moon with 4 losses in year 1, Bama will be in a uproar after the second loss.
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Lots of excellent coaches around! However coaching at Bama, and/or in SEC is vastly different! How quickly everybody forgot what’s his face at Auburn? They’re both thought he was going to be a home run hire! He last what, 15 months?

Look at the previous Bama hires and everyone thought they were great choices on front end!!!! There are ZERO guarantees!

I’ll go ahead and predict that without Saban’s rigid micromanagement, the Alabama boosters, and everyone with an ego down there will start wanting to get a piece of the pie again! It’s nature of the beast! The determining factor will be can DeBoer manage all the extraneous, political things!
 
#57
#57
I am thinking 5 years.

I see him being pretty good most years, 10-2ish, some 11-1s. good enough to get into the expanded playoffs especially with the Mulleted A logo carrying them. Getting into the playoffs will buy him some leash. but I don't think he will win the SEC or a championship. and the lack of national championship, and probably even an SEC championship appearance will wear on the fans after a couple years.
 
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#58
#58
stolitonic said:
And Botch looked to be a passable coach with Dobbs behind center....

Just saying that when all of your P5 experience has come with one guy behind center, it's sometimes kinda hard to get a bead you know?

Like it or not-in the year 2023 how you do as a football coach is going to depend primarily on your QB. Is that fair, no-bit it's reality.

If KDB can develop QBs at Bama, he will be fine. Otherwise, he is gonna be gone by year 3-4, no way around it.
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Yep if you don’t have a darn good QB at least you are going to struggle. Difficult to win against good teams with just a top defense, see Iowa.
 
#62
#62
SGMVols said:
That could happen in his first year. His SEC debut is against Georgia, and in the 2nd half of the season he has to play UT, LSU, and Oklahoma all on the road. Brutal schedule for a guy who needs to win big from day one.
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Yeah. How likely was he to have the UW fan base take to the street and start burning mattresses?
 
#63
#63
I’d say he gets at least five years. He’s a very good coach, unlike the Dubose/Shula/Price hires. I do question if can recruit at the top of the SEC level, he’s not had to do that before, but you’d have to be a pretty bad recruiter to not be able to recruit well at Bama. I don’t think Bama will get their pick of all the elite talent that Saban got them.
 
#64
#64
SCRocket said:
Hope that comes to fruition. I feel like Bama now can recruit it's self. Getting a coach that just made it to the playoffs and championship game gives him some swag with recruits imo. But we'll see what happens. I really hope a mass exodus takes place.
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Only for a certain period of time. Players don't commit to programs for the most part - they commit to coaches.
 
#66
#66
beachvol23 said:
Lots of excellent coaches around! However coaching at Bama, and/or in SEC is vastly different! How quickly everybody forgot what’s his face at Auburn? They’re both thought he was going to be a home run hire! He last what, 15 months?

Look at the previous Bama hires and everyone thought they were great choices on front end!!!! There are ZERO guarantees!

I’ll go ahead and predict that without Saban’s rigid micromanagement, the Alabama boosters, and everyone with an ego down there will start wanting to get a piece of the pie again! It’s nature of the beast! The determining factor will be can DeBoer manage all the extraneous, political things!
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I don't know anybody, even the biggest Auburn fans, who thought Harsin was going to be a home run. It was a weird fit from the very beginning.

The determining factor for DeBoer will be, very simply, is he seriously in the mix for national titles every year. With a 12-team playoff, it goes without saying he needs to be in that playoff every year and win at least one game. Him missing the playoff one year might be a fireable offense. The extraneous, political stuff only matters if you aren't winning enough. Saban handled the political and booster stuff well because he won so much.
 
#67
#67
Looking at context after Bryant, what got coaches in trouble was not losing Championships but losing to rivals. If he goes 0-3 against Auburn, he is gone.

He will need to consistently beat Auburn, Tennessee, etc. to keep Alabama fans happy.

The game against Wisconsin is a big land mine to start out. They also get Georgia at home which could be another rough one. Their 2024 schedule is not easy. I can see 3-4 losses easily.
 
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#68
#68
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Tough crowd down there.

They pretty much shamed Ray Perkins back to the NFL after 4 years and Bear handpicked him as a "Bama Man."

DeBoer gets 4 years, probably (I'm guessing) by virtue of a well negotiated Jimmy Sexton contract that gives him that much cushion.
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Perkins was 0-3 against Auburn. I think that played a part.

To be fair, Tennessee fans (and most fans in general) are the same way. It isn't winning Championships that get you fired but rather losing to rivals. Problem with the SEC, you have to be a National Title Contender to beat your rivals sometimes.
 
#69
#69
If he doesn't win the SEC or be in the playoffs within the first 3 years I think they will be looking for another coach.
 
#70
#70
volbound1700 said:
Looking at context after Bryant, what got coaches in trouble was not losing Championships but losing to rivals. If he goes 0-3 against Auburn, he is gone.

He will need to consistently beat Auburn, Tennessee, etc. to keep Alabama fans happy.

The game against Wisconsin is a big land mine to start out. They also get Georgia at home which could be another rough one. Their 2024 schedule is not easy. I can see 3-4 losses easily.
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volbound1700 said:
Perkins was 0-3 against Auburn. I think that played a part.

To be fair, Tennessee fans (and most fans in general) are the same way. It isn't winning Championships that get you fired but rather losing to rivals. Problem with the SEC, you have to be a National Title Contender to beat your rivals sometimes.
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It's championships. Lots of schools love to play up the "you better beat our rivals!!!" stuff but ultimately a program like Alabama wants SEC and national titles.

Ray Perkins also won no championships at Alabama. He could have gone 4-0 against Auburn and probably still would have been fired. Even if he beat Auburn in 1986, he wouldn't have won the SEC.
 
#71
#71
05_never_again said:
It's championships. Lots of schools love to play up the "you better beat our rivals!!!" stuff but ultimately a program like Alabama wants SEC and national titles.

Ray Perkins also won no championships at Alabama. He could have gone 4-0 against Auburn and probably still would have been fired. Even if he beat Auburn in 1986, he wouldn't have won the SEC.
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I respectively disagree. Winning a Championship is hard and requires luck. It is easier to point out "well Auburn is 7-5 or we out recruit Auburn" as an excuse. It is an arms race. The key will be whether they are beating Auburn and Tennessee regularly.
 
#72
#72
He won't last long. He is a west coast guy without a lot of connections in the SEC and bama fans will not be patient enough to let him get adjusted to sec football. He loses 3 games and that fan base will turn on him like dad on Maury turns on his kid when he finds out he is not the biological father.
 
#73
#73
volbound1700 said:
I respectively disagree. Winning a Championship is hard and requires luck. It is easier to point out "well Auburn is 7-5 or we out recruit Auburn" as an excuse. It is an arms race. The key will be whether they are beating Auburn and Tennessee regularly.
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Winning championships is ultimately all they care about. Take what you're saying to its logical extreme. If he goes 2-10 but the 2 wins are against Tennessee and Auburn, are they happy? It isn't the key.

If he goes 6-0 against Auburn and Tennessee in 3 years but loses random other games that keep him out of the playoff, he'll be fired. In fact, he probably wouldn't even get 3 years in that scenario. If he goes 3-3 against Auburn and Tennessee over 6 years but wins the SEC, makes the playoff, and wins a national championship, he won't be fired.

If he doesn't win titles, their fans will not be happy, regardless of his record against Auburn.
 
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