How long will Martin be at UT?

#76
#76
lonelawyer said:
Even a blind squirrel stumbles across an acorn now and then. Come on Lawvol tell me the real reaon you can't stand Pearl. Do you get your hair done at Alimonys?
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I don't hate Pearl. I think he's obviously an unethical liar though; that's been proven by his own actions. I appreciate what he did here; I just get very tired of the nonstop garbage from people like the OP who have absolutely no clue what they're talking about.
 
#77
#77
LawVol13 said:
I don't hate Pearl. I think he's obviously an unethical liar though; that's been proven by his own actions. I appreciate what he did here; I just get very tired of the nonstop garbage from people like the OP who have absolutely no clue what they're talking about.
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Yep...like the people who believed our basketball program started and ended with Pearl.
 
#78
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LawVol13 said:
I don't hate Pearl. I think he's obviously an unethical liar though; that's been proven by his own actions. I appreciate what he did here; I just get very tired of the nonstop garbage from people like the OP who have absolutely no clue what they're talking about.
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The garbage is the power the NCAA has to control things like text messages, cookouts and the like. The fact that the rules are so complicated schools have to pay a compliance officer is idiotic.

Yes, Pearl screwed himself. He ain't Satan though and he did improve our program. He's just a guy who ruined his own life.

But I am convinced there needs to be a rebellion against the NCAA.
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#79
#79
lonelawyer said:
The garbage is the power the NCAA has to control things like text messages, cookouts and the like. The fact that the rules are so complicated schools have to pay a compliance officer is idiotic.

Yes, Pearl screwed himself. He ain't Satan though and he did improve our program. He's just a guy who ruined his own life.

But I am convinced there needs to be a rebellion against the NCAA.
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That's fine. You're probably right about most of that; however, Pearl wasn't just confused by the complexity of the rules. He knew having the juniors at his house was wrong as he was doing it. He has admitted that.
 
#80
#80
Vercingetorix said:
The guys who are the most bitter about Pearl's termination are not generally willing to concede the point about a likely long suspension for Pearl. They frequently argued that the NCAA was likely to look at what happened to him this year and just add on half a season or something; and therefore, they think that UT's best option was to just show up in June and take our chances. They also seemed to wildly underestimate exactly how damaging it would be for UT to spend a couple of seasons with a suspended head coach.

If you've convinced yourself that 1) a severe punishment for Pearl isn't likely to begin with, and 2) even if it happens, it wouldn't be a significant long-term hit to the program, then keeping Pearl is a perfectly rational position to take. June should disabuse them of the first notion. Fortunately they'll never get a chance to be disabused of the second.

(It goes without saying that most of these guys aren't concerned at all with anything so namby-pamby as "embarrassing the university," of course.)
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Your post makes a lot of sense and I believe your statement is very accurate as to what Pearls supporters believe. And you didn't even have to resort to calling names and spouting obscenities like hat and law and the like. Most of the sports media guys in knoxville don't believe that Pearl will be suspended for two years. They may be right or they may be wrong, who knows? I have shelled out hundreds of dollars each year for forty years for season tickets in that time the program has rarely been above mediocre. There have been some bright spots but not many. I don't know if Martin will be a winner or not but I have gone through these coaching changes many times since Mears retired. Each time the majority of fans think the incoming coaching staff going to do great things. Pearl is the first coach who actually exceeded expectations as far as winning is concerned. I was shocked that he lied to the NCAA but we are all human and we all make mistakes. In my 67 year I have made many mistakes and I have been really lucky not to have been held accoutable to the degree that I probably should have been. Blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy.
 
#81
#81
LawVol13 said:
That's fine. You're probably right about most of that; however, Pearl wasn't just confused by the complexity of the rules. He knew having the juniors at his house was wrong as he was doing it. He has admitted that.
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I don't disagree. But there's a bunch of people on here who seem happy that he crapped and fell back in it.
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#82
#82
JALeon04 said:
Worst thread ever! Sad part is that so many people replied...me included. However, why ask a question that NO ONE can answer...then you attempt to answer it. So stupid it is funny! I have a hangover and a little short-tempered as a result. Seriously though, worst thread EVER!!
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The idea of the thread is to speculate on something no one knows for sure. Everyone guesses based upon their gut feelings.
 
#83
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jerryvol44 said:
Most of the sports media guys in knoxville don't believe that Pearl will be suspended for two years.
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That explains why there was wide spread reporting that after meeting with Slive and hearing what he had found out from the NCAA, that there was no choice other than to fire Pearl. Good point.
 
#84
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LawVol13 said:
Don't be even more stupid. Plenty of people have refuted the argument. Jerry Green and Ray Mears both have a higher winning percentage. Jerry Green had us ranked 4th in the country at one point; he was also about 2 minutes from making an elite eight. So, again, the crap about Pearl being so far ahead of every other coach is just that, crap.
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Pearl went to the elite eight and was 1 point away from the final four. He beat Fla's national championship team both home and away. He took the team to number 1. He had far and away the best rpi rankings. Green was the only coach that even came close to Pearl and he wasn't really that close. My argument that Pearl is the most sucessful coach in UT history can not be refuted because it is truth. I can see you now in court, "your honor the prosecutions argument is just crap". I find you to be very amusing.
 
#85
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lonelawyer said:
The garbage is the power the NCAA has to control things like text messages, cookouts and the like. The fact that the rules are so complicated schools have to pay a compliance officer is idiotic.

Yes, Pearl screwed himself. He ain't Satan though and he did improve our program. He's just a guy who ruined his own life.

But I am convinced there needs to be a rebellion against the NCAA.
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Tark the shark sued them and collected a reported 2.5 million. So the NCAA are a bunch of hypocrits.
 
#87
#87
jerryvol44 said:
I don't excuse it, I have stated several times that Pearls mistakes caused his problems. I personally believe firing him was a mistake. You saying that Pearl is facing two years of suspension is silly speculation. We don't know what if any additional punishment Pearl will get. He was fined 1.5 million dollars and suspended for 8 games. Actually, getting fired could turn out to be in Pearls favor with the NCAA. It may ameliorate his punishment and allow him to get back to coaching quicker. I hope that the self righteous on this board get to be judged as they have judged. A fellow said 2k years ago for with what judgement you judge you will be judge . I personally believe that is true.
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I don't think getting biblical is necessary there pal. And u didn't go with your gut instinct on how long you think he'll be here.. You avoided speculation and just went with his specific numbers as seen on his contract. That's like guessing how many games will it take to win the NBA championship and going with seven. You're ridiculous.:crazy:
 
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jerryvol44 said:
The idea of the thread is to speculate on something no one knows for sure. Everyone guesses based upon their gut feelings.
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:birgits_giggle::birgits_giggle::birgits_giggle: ha ha ha ha ha ha ...a little bit of your insight comin right back at ya.
 
#90
#90
Let's stop arguing about what should have been Pearl's fate until after the NCAA punishment is doled out. At least then we'll know the severity of his actions and better arguements can be made.
 
#91
#91
lonelawyer said:
The garbage is the power the NCAA has to control things like text messages, cookouts and the like. The fact that the rules are so complicated schools have to pay a compliance officer is idiotic.

Yes, Pearl screwed himself. He ain't Satan though and he did improve our program. He's just a guy who ruined his own life.

But I am convinced there needs to be a rebellion against the NCAA.
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The NCAA is given its power by its member institutions, which is basically every college with a sports program. The purpose is to ensure a level playing field so that one university doesn't have an unfair advantage over another. Ideally, the NCAA should be an unbiased governing body, doling out equal punishment for equal infractions. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.

The NCAA has become more about politics and less about fair competition. A governing body is needed to ensure fairness, but the NCAA as it is now is really just a joke. Until all of the major member programs band together and demand reform, then things will go on as they have. Mike Slive and his counterparts in the other major conferences need to address the issue, but they won't, because in the end, they are only concerned with profit margins, not integrity, fairness, or equality.
 
#92
#92
I still think Mears' run was more impressive than Pearl's. If Pearl had been coaching in Mears' era, a few of his years he would have missed the NCAA tourney since it was only 32 teams then. Using Pearl's NCAA streak as an apples to apples comparison makes no sense.
 
#93
#93
The world is ending in 2012. Saw a movie about it that means it's going to happen.

He has a year.
 
#94
#94
jerryvol44 said:
Your post makes a lot of sense and I believe your statement is very accurate as to what Pearls supporters believe. And you didn't even have to resort to calling names and spouting obscenities like hat and law and the like. Most of the sports media guys in knoxville don't believe that Pearl will be suspended for two years. They may be right or they may be wrong, who knows? I have shelled out hundreds of dollars each year for forty years for season tickets in that time the program has rarely been above mediocre. There have been some bright spots but not many. I don't know if Martin will be a winner or not but I have gone through these coaching changes many times since Mears retired. Each time the majority of fans think the incoming coaching staff going to do great things. Pearl is the first coach who actually exceeded expectations as far as winning is concerned. I was shocked that he lied to the NCAA but we are all human and we all make mistakes. In my 67 year I have made many mistakes and I have been really lucky not to have been held accoutable to the degree that I probably should have been. Blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy.
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I agree that it's frustrating to start over. But Hamilton and Cheek wanted to keep Pearl; they stuck their necks out for him; they took plenty of heat from the national media over it. And then they changed their minds and fired him. I think we can assume that it's not something they did lightly or eagerly; something forced their hand.

I think you're seriously underestimating both the likelihood of a long suspension for Pearl and what it would do to the program to have its head coach out that long (no recruits this year; no recruits for the year or two while Pearl is out; no recruits the year after he gets back because he hasn't been able to meet with any of them). It seems likely that, once Hamilton and Cheek got an inkling of how severe Pearl's punishment is likely to be, they felt like they had no choice. Almost no coach would be worth digging that kind of hole for the program.
 
#95
#95
until Hamilton can replace him with a Junior high coach who has 2 years under his belt and is barely over 500.
 
#97
#97
jjay2518 said:
I still think Mears' run was more impressive than Pearl's. If Pearl had been coaching in Mears' era, a few of his years he would have missed the NCAA tourney since it was only 32 teams then. Using Pearl's NCAA streak as an apples to apples comparison makes no sense.
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As you say it really hard to compare the two because Mears was in a different era in basketball. Mears was a great coach no doubt about it and also a great promoter as was Pearl. Mears coined the phrase big orange country. He told me "I coined the phrase big orange country and I never got a cent for it". Mears was also recognized as one of the best sideline coaches of his era by sports media at that time, if that means anything. Still I think that the teams Pearl scheduled which put him at the top in rpi ratings every year for me gives him the nod as the best. Mears took his team into South Carolina when they were ranked #1 and beat them on their own floor with a team that was not ranked. Mears could probably do more with less talent than any coach I am aware of. For instance he took Len Kosmoski and turned him into the leading scorer in the SEC if my memory is correct. I was told that Len couldn't walk and chew chewing gum when Mears got him. Of course his best teams were durring the King (my favorite all time) and Grunfield run. I started getting season tickets Kings freshman year and never missed a home game for about 35 years.
 
#98
#98
JTrainDavis said:
You coaching and looking for your big break?
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I'm not quite qualified just yet.

Only was a started in soccer and basketball.

I will admit that. If I knew all it took was 3 years at some low level college to become the coach at TN and make over a million a year I would have quit my day job a year ago and started coach.
 
#99
#99
NEOCON said:
I'm not quite qualified just yet.

Only was a started in soccer and basketball.

I will admit that. If I knew all it took was 3 years at some low level college to become the coach at TN and make over a million a year I would have quit my day job a year ago and started coach.
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Yeah, I'm sure that most of us are plenty qualified to just hop in to the head coaching position at Missouri State.
 
#100
#100
Three years tops. If he is successful after three years, he will move on to bigger and better things. If not, the new AD will hire his replacement.
 
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