How many games before Crompton becomes The Starter ?

#76
#76
(OrangeEmpire @ Aug 13 said:
Come on, :birgits_giggle: , you may argue that now, but after Carson's sophomore year?

I do not buy it for a minute........... :p
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Palmer showed enough flashes as a freshman and sophomore to warrant keeping the job. I don't remember SC having a big time QB behind him.
 
#77
#77
(hvwarrior58 @ Aug 13 said:
I think that if Crompton isn't starting by UF then he won't start all year barring injury. We will either be good enough with Ainge to finish near the top of the east or bad enough that Fulmer may be out.
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either one sounds like a good deal to me :) :)
 
#78
#78
im not going to sugar coat the way i feal i was a big Majors Fan but phil has had some good years he did take to
another level but ever since 1998 the ship has been sinking. once a team drops to the middle of the pack in the
sec it takes forever to get back to the top tier. look at uga they went through 3 or 4 coaches to get back to the
top tier look at us during the battle days heck we went from the 70's to early 90's before we were back.bama is
still trying. 2 or 3 bad seasons along with poor recruits. and guess what your looking up at the rest.

now with that said we have enough tallent to compeat this year and we need to atleast win 9 ballgames
and go to a new years day bowl and win it.
 
#80
#80
Mr. Rockytop said:
I can't wait to hear about the second scrimmage.
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that will be much more telling than the first one....good or bad.

If improved and much better....we still have a chance.
If the same/worse, uh, i don't want to think about it.
 
#85
#85
While this is definitely troubling, I don't know that it's all that uncommon to see stuff like this in the first scrimmage. The difference is that we are all paying attention.
 
#86
#86
How about a good Clausen bashing thread to change the subject?

I'm reserving my judgement until after next Sat.
 
#87
#87
samanderson said:
That Ainge came to UT as a relatively well sought after recruit can't be denied. That he proved his talent as a true freshman is also obvious. Nevertheless, I worried about Ainge pretty soon after he received his season ending injury. I had seen talent and ability in him as a frosh, and felt he had the potential to become one of UT's forever remembered "greats." Upon learning he would be out for the season due to his injury, my memory brought up a series of photos I had seen of him as well as images of the times cameras had zeroed in on him while on the sidelines. What began to worry me was I couldn't recall ever seeing anything in his eyes or facial expressions in general that I could deem to be "mental toughness." Reading his recent comments about the upcoming season and not having to worry about being yanked out of a game like last year (He hasn't wasted any opportunities with the press to point this out!!) made me just feel real sick. Because he dwells on that and reasons mentioned above, I contend he worries about another injury all the time. I don't think he views the departure of Sanders and the arrival of Cutcliff as much of a positive on his behalf. And, I feel pretty certain he loses sleep wondering why fate had to send Crompton to Big Orange Country. To a greater or lesser degree, I worry that these issues are swirling around in his thoughts at all times, and most likely more so during scrimmages than at other times. I really fear that true competition for the QB position is destructive for him rather than positive because the spine isn't stiff enough for him to take on the circumstance with true guts and determination. I do hope he proves me wrong , and that I will have to dine on a perpetual diet of crow for years to come. These thoughts, though, have been with me since last season.

:dunno: :ermm:
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I agree with your statement, Ainge doesn't seem to have the maturity or talent to play in the SEC day in and day out. He seems to be afraid of contact, and to make it worse, he doesn't have the scrambling ability to get away from it. Crompton has outperformed Ainge this spring and now in fall practice. If Crompton continues to perform as he has, CPF should play him. Let's not forget, that while Ainge was hurt and missed some playing time and was rotated last year, he still played and had a terrible year; At the same time Crompton, coming off shoulder surgery has not played in two years and has made a race for the qb position. This in my mind is a time when talent and heart will rise to the top. Winning games in the SEC comes from talent, not ego.
 
#88
#88
Tnfootballjunkie said:
I agree with your statement, Ainge doesn't seem to have the maturity or talent to play in the SEC day in and day out. He seems to be afraid of contact, and to make it worse, he doesn't have the scrambling ability to get away from it. Crompton has outperformed Ainge this spring and now in fall practice. If Crompton continues to perform as he has, CPF should play him. Let's not forget, that while Ainge was hurt and missed some playing time and was rotated last year, he still played and had a terrible year; At the same time Crompton, coming off shoulder surgery has not played in two years and has made a race for the qb position. This in my mind is a time when talent and heart will rise to the top. Winning games in the SEC comes from talent, not ego.
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i don't think anyone will argue that Crompton has talent, otherwise he wouldn't be here, but by outplayed, i'm not sure where you get that from? he fumbled three snaps, lost one of them in Saturday's scrimmage. he three 2 td's and an int. sounds pretty average to me...and that's fine at this point in his development...

and your argument about the no playing time doesn't help his case. that just reinforces the fact he has no experience. he has exactly one spring as the 2 under his belt and one fall scrimmage as the 2 under his belt.

don't get me wrong, i'm not getting on JC's case or anything, i think he has a set of skills that will benefit him and UT, and eventually he will be as good as advertised, but i do think, while it is concerning that after the spring and summer workouts the first scrimmage wasn't very good, that it was the FIRST scrimmage. We shouldn't lose sight of that.

Now, after next week and the next, if there is no reasonable improvement, the coaches will have some very hard questions to answer yet again about the qb position at UT....
 
#89
#89
jakez4ut said:
i don't think anyone will argue that Crompton has talent, otherwise he wouldn't be here, but by outplayed, i'm not sure where you get that from? he fumbled three snaps, lost one of them in Saturday's scrimmage. he three 2 td's and an int. sounds pretty average to me...and that's fine at this point in his development...

and your argument about the no playing time doesn't help his case. that just reinforces the fact he has no experience. he has exactly one spring as the 2 under his belt and one fall scrimmage as the 2 under his belt.

don't get me wrong, i'm not getting on JC's case or anything, i think he has a set of skills that will benefit him and UT, and eventually he will be as good as advertised, but i do think, while it is concerning that after the spring and summer workouts the first scrimmage wasn't very good, that it was the FIRST scrimmage. We shouldn't lose sight of that.

Now, after next week and the next, if there is no reasonable improvement, the coaches will have some very hard questions to answer yet again about the qb position at UT....
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Not that I disagree with your assessment, but I am going to ask the same question someone did earlier.

Don't you think botched snaps are easier to fix than a QB's busted psyche/confidence?
 
#91
#91
VolinArizona said:
Not that I disagree with your assessment, but I am going to ask the same question someone did earlier.

Don't you think botched snaps are easier to fix than a QB's busted psyche/confidence?
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confidence has to be earned, both for people to have it in you and for you to have it in yourself. EA seems to not have gotten to either level...yet.

but, i do like one thing i remember reading/hearing about Cut and how he'll approach EA....he was going to "break him completely down", so he could build him back up.

looks like part one is complete...now let's see how well he does at building him back up...
 
#92
#92
The headlines in the Paper are enough to scare me. "Defense Dominates" and "Chavis unhappy with missed Tackles"
If the defense didn't play well, but still
dominated the offense, then we should be at least a little worried.
Hopefully Saturday was an aberration and not a trend
 
#93
#93
Agree with you JakeZ. He is starting with fundamentals and now in game time mental situations. Ainge will make the same dumn mistakes in practive and Cut will fix those too. He has to let him make the dumn mistakes to fix them. OJT training.
 
#94
#94
GAVol said:
While this is definitely troubling, I don't know that it's all that uncommon to see stuff like this in the first scrimmage. The difference is that we are all paying attention.
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Good post and I point I have made myself. Ten years ago, our QBs could have been sucking it up in practice and most of us would have remained in blissful ignorance. That changed with the internet age...

I'll say this, if Ainge is as jittery as some of the VOL fans, he is a lost cause. Give Ainge another scrimmage and lets see how he looks; its a fairly accepted fact that the defense outperforms the O in the first scrimmage. Some of Ainge's mistakes are probably from trying too hard - give him a bit more time before drawing conclusions.
 
#95
#95
SURFSIDEBEACHVOL said:
The headlines in the Paper are enough to scare me. "Defense Dominates" and "Chavis unhappy with missed Tackles"
If the defense didn't play well, but still
dominated the offense, then we should be at least a little worried.
Hopefully Saturday was an aberration and not a trend
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I wouldn' worry about Chief's comment - its all about continuous improvement and not resting on your laurels or patting yourself on the back.

I'm confident our defense will continue to perform at a high level this year.
 
#96
#96
hohenfelsvol said:
There are still three weeks to gametime. Calm down folks. It will be ok.
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I actually agree with you 100% here. One scrimmage led to a Y2K like panic attack around here. If the mistakes were just mere lapses, the 3 weeks will work wonders for EA.

However, one thought frightened me today. Yes, we have 3 weeks to see improvement. But, Cutcliffe has been working with Ainge for how long now? Since the beginning of spring practice at the LATEST. There have been TONS of "3 weeks" in there and if he's still scared of hits, that won't change.

I don't remember him doing this before the ND game when he separated his shoulder.
 
#97
#97
VolinArizona said:
I actually agree with you 100% here. One scrimmage led to a Y2K like panic attack around here. If the mistakes were just mere lapses, the 3 weeks will work wonders for EA.

However, one thought frightened me today. Yes, we have 3 weeks to see improvement. But, Cutcliffe has been working with Ainge for how long now? Since the beginning of spring practice at the LATEST. There have been TONS of "3 weeks" in there and if he's still scared of hits, that won't change.

I don't remember him doing this before the ND game when he separated his shoulder.
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Keep in mind though that no matter how long Cutcliffe has been back, it's not like he can just call Ainge up and tell him to meet him for some one on one work. NCAA rules are very strict about the number of hours the coaches get for practice. That's the reason it hurt so bad to not be in a bowl last year. We lost a couple of weeks worth of bowl practices.
 
#98
#98
Obviously, Cutcliff and Fulmer believe that Ainge gives them the best opportunity to win,..for now, because they both will be gone if they don't. Still, it may be a case of the more they know, the more Ainge blows. If we see lot's of video of Fulmer doing alot of clapping on the sideline and he's sweating like Bruce Pearl, He and Cut may be candidates for the new "Not ready for Prime Time" pro team soon to be installed at Neyland by the tall guy and his cronies. I think they need to quit coddling and playing these sissy mind games with Ainge and just find a warrior who wants to play some kick-butt football. I think they ought to let Ainge be the tacking dummy for the Tennessee drill and if he survives that, he won't have any more problems.
 
#99
#99
If this was last set of scrimmages days before game I'd worry. There is 18 days left before gameday. Not time to panic yet. Everyone keep your britches on.
 
#100
#100
TBALLVOL said:
Obviously, Cutcliff and Fulmer believe that Ainge gives them the best opportunity to win,..for now, because they both will be gone if they don't. Still, it may be a case of the more they know, the more Ainge blows. If we see lot's of video of Fulmer doing alot of clapping on the sideline and he's sweating like Bruce Pearl, He and Cut may be candidates for the new "Not ready for Prime Time" pro team soon to be installed at Neyland by the tall guy and his cronies. I think they need to quit coddling and playing these sissy mind games with Ainge and just find a warrior who wants to play some kick-butt football. I think they ought to let Ainge be the tacking dummy for the Tennessee drill and if he survives that, he won't have any more problems.
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