How Stupid Is Governor Ron Desantis?

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MercyPercy said:
Disney has been fairly quiet about this but I'm guessing behind closed doors they are crying tears of laughter and wiping them away with their billions of dollars. This is clearly grandstanding by Big Government Ron.
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I doubt that…. They are coming out looking pretty bad in this situation and it will probably cost some of the higher ups jobs.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't seek to protect groups through the government, I am only referencing that term to illustrate the difference as society sees it. Orientation is not a proclivity. A proclivity is a tendency, but the tendency is based on the orientation, not the other way around. People are born with attraction to the same sex where it's so strong it's the only way they can be happy. I see no evidence that this is true for incestuous relationships, and it's ridiculous and insulting to compare the two.

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A proclivity is a natural inclination or predisposition towards some activity. Sexual orientation is a proclivity. Pedophilia is a proclivity. Serial killers are thought to have a natural proclivity towards unethical behavior due to abnormal brain development. I could go on and on.

Having a natural predisposition towards a behavior is not justification for said behavior. The behavior must be judged based morally, ethically, or otherwise purely based upon the behavior in and of itself.

Homosexuality was justifiable purely due to consenting adults being able to engage in whatever sexual conduct they please. Being born with the predisposition toward having homosexual desires was never a good argument for its legality or moral acceptance. The only reason it was every part of the debate was due to evangelicals Christians making the absurd argument that all people were born heterosexuals via God's design and then practicing homosexuals went on to "choose" proclivity towards their lifestyle.
 
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hog88 said:
Seriously doubt that.
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Not necessarily bc of this bill but with the stock price going down and some of the things said by their employees that has/can hurt their brand….. it’s definitely not a good situation for them right now…. That company will probably bounce back but it definitely might make a few heads roll first.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
A proclivity is a natural inclination or predisposition towards some activity. Sexual orientation is a proclivity. Pedophilia is a proclivity. Serial killers are thought to have a natural proclivity towards unethical behavior due to abnormal brain development. I could go on and on.

Having a natural predisposition towards a behavior is not justification for said behavior. The behavior must be judged based morally, ethically, or otherwise purely based upon the behavior in and of itself.

Homosexuality was justifiable purely due to consenting adults being able to engage in whatever sexual conduct they please. Being born with the predisposition toward having homosexual desires was never a good argument for its legality or moral acceptance. The only reason it was every part of the debate was due to evangelicals Christians making the absurd argument that all people were born heterosexuals via God's design and then practicing homosexuals went on to "choose" proclivity towards their lifestyle.
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I don't agree with your use of proclivity. What you are is not a predisposition. It's like saying I have a predisposition or proclivity to grow brown hair. I don't have a choice about who I am most attracted to. It just happens. Serial killers and pedophiles are hurting people, regardless of what their attractions are, so again, an insulting and ridiculous comparison.

I think we need to stop ruining this thread.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Indeed, if this setup is so unacceptable—a claim most Republicans didn't seem to make for the half-century the special district has been in place—it should also be unacceptable for the other 1,844 Florida special districts. Of these, 1,288 are, like Disney, independent districts. But we aren't hearing significant Republican complaints about these. In other words, GOPers want to continue the practice of extending privileges selectively.

This episode should serve as a warning for companies angling to score special privileges from government. Governments give arbitrarily and unfairly, and they take back with equal arbitrariness and unfairness. This sad affair has done nothing to change cronyism in the state of Florida, but it has once again exposed the arbitrariness of government in our lives and the cost of depending on its favors.

No, Florida Republicans Do Not Care About Crony Capitalism
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i get what the author is saying, but for the most part it seems like these special districts are for utilities or other municipality functions. Very few identifiable private businesses.

And it sounds like each special district is not created equally, and it seems like Disney was the Most Equal of those districts. Without doing an exhaustive dive I doubt too many of the waste/water/transportation districts have all the benefits that disney held. It seems like a good number of the districts are there so services can cross various borders they otherwise legally couldnt. And in perfect government fashion instead of fixing the legal issue they add more beauracy to go around it.

So it seems like the private business argument is largely not in an issue with these districts. Not sure how their various utilities are run, private vs public, but I bet with all the swamps and various waterways getting services in a lot of places is difficult if you have to follow man made borders as well. So even if they are private utilities it seems like they could be based on pure function rather than cronyism. Which I am sure still exists. But based on five minutes of google the author seems to be jousting against windmills here. Jmo.

http://specialdistrictreports.floridajobs.org/webreports/alphalist.aspx
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't agree with your use of proclivity. What you are is not a predisposition. It's like saying I have a predisposition or proclivity to grow brown hair. I don't have a choice about who I am most attracted to. It just happens. Serial killers and pedophiles are hurting people, regardless of what their attractions are, so again, an insulting and ridiculous comparison.

I think we need to stop ruining this thread.
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You have a choice to act or not act on your proclivities. Natural hair color is not a choice.
 
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hog88 said:
You have a choice to act or not act on your proclivities. Natural hair color is not a choice.
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But I'm not talking about homosexual sex, I'm talking about homosexual attraction. The attraction is what "just happens", which is why it's not a proclivity or a predisposition. The homosexual sex part would be the proclivity.
 
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n_huffhines said:
But I'm not talking about homosexual sex, I'm talking about homosexual attraction. The attraction is what "just happens", which is why it's not a proclivity or a predisposition. The homosexual sex part would be the proclivity.
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But are people homosexual without acting on their urges?
 
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Vol Main said:
Prolly won't stop his getting all of Florida's Little Bubba votes, but Florida's Big Bubba is governing about as stupidly as stupid can get.

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Lawrence has seen almost a 50% decrease in viewership in one year. He needs to create to stay employed, his timeslot seems to not move the needle in the market so put it out there.
 
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hog88 said:
But are people homosexual without acting on their urges?
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Yes. A man who comes out to his wife, who has never cheated on her, will tell her that he's gay, despite not having had gay sex. I considered myself straight before ever having kissed a girl. I'm sure you did too. It's who you are, not what you do.
 
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PKT_VOL said:
A proclivity is a natural inclination or predisposition towards some activity. Sexual orientation is a proclivity. Pedophilia is a proclivity. Serial killers are thought to have a natural proclivity towards unethical behavior due to abnormal brain development. I could go on and on.

Having a natural predisposition towards a behavior is not justification for said behavior. The behavior must be judged based morally, ethically, or otherwise purely based upon the behavior in and of itself.

Homosexuality was justifiable purely due to consenting adults being able to engage in whatever sexual conduct they please. Being born with the predisposition toward having homosexual desires was never a good argument for its legality or moral acceptance. The only reason it was every part of the debate was due to evangelicals Christians making the absurd argument that all people were born heterosexuals via God's design and then practicing homosexuals went on to "choose" proclivity towards their lifestyle.
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So are you Including the Apostle Paul in your grouping of „evangelical Christians“ making „absurd arguments“?
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Vol Main said:
Prolly won't stop his getting all of Florida's Little Bubba votes, but Florida's Big Bubba is governing about as stupidly as stupid can get.

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If Lawrence said that the sky is blue, I would get my eyes checked. There are few things in existence that he is correct about. By the time this works out, however, I am sure Fl and Disney will have negotiated some settlement and Disney is likely to keep its mouse trap shut in the future. Path to get there is going to take a lot of lawyering on both sides.

I dont know if this specific effort will succeed as billed but what Desantis and Fl legislature have shown, is that unlike other administrations, this one is not going to roll over and passively be screwed without fighting back in some way.
 
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volbeast33 said:
That’s bc neither side wants to work on real issues…. They spend all of their time on hot topic type issues.
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And that is our fault, as the voting public, not theirs. As long as there are enough numbskulls on either side to get someone elected then the politicians will appeal to that lowest common denominator.
 
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lawgator1 said:
And that is our fault, as the voting public, not theirs. As long as there are enough numbskulls on either side to get someone elected then the politicians will appeal to that lowest common denominator.
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It’s not going to change….. have you seen what people argue about on social media.
 
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Gandalf said:
If Lawrence said that the sky is blue, I would get my eyes checked. There are few things in existence that he is correct about. By the time this works out, however, I am sure Fl and Disney will have negotiated some settlement and Disney is likely to keep its mouse trap shut in the future. Path to get there is going to take a lot of lawyering on both sides.

I dont know if this specific effort will succeed as billed but what Desantis and Fl legislature have shown, is that unlike other administrations, this one is not going to roll over and passively be screwed without fighting back in some way.
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Yup, this was a brush back pitch from DeSantis. Best understood as such
 
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Gandalf said:
If Lawrence said that the sky is blue, I would get my eyes checked. There are few things in existence that he is correct about. By the time this works out, however, I am sure Fl and Disney will have negotiated some settlement and Disney is likely to keep its mouse trap shut in the future. Path to get there is going to take a lot of lawyering on both sides.

I dont know if this specific effort will succeed as billed but what Desantis and Fl legislature have shown, is that unlike other administrations, this one is not going to roll over and passively be screwed without fighting back in some way.
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They fought back by punching themselves in the junk. That's not usually a good plan
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
And you are the problem. We should be able to discuss political issues without feeling hate for the person. The division those in power need is what keeps us from a country from great things.
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I can’t believe how hypocritical this post is. Like, almost should’ve thought about it first before hitting send hypocritical.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I don't agree with your use of proclivity. What you are is not a predisposition. It's like saying I have a predisposition or proclivity to grow brown hair. I don't have a choice about who I am most attracted to. It just happens.
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What you are, by way of your genetic and biological development, is a your natural biological predisposition.

n_huffhines said:
Serial killers and pedophiles are hurting people, regardless of what their attractions are, so again, an insulting and ridiculous comparison.
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Of course. That's the point. It is just a bad argument. We agree on the situational designations, just not the argument to get there. Being born with a predisposition isn't justification for actions which emanate from said predisposition.
 
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