Hugh Freeze random guess thread (merged)

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Volman365 said:
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The deal was on the table and ready to be signed and announced, CPF nixed the deal.
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I don't mean to refute your impeccable credentials and sources BUT, you do realize that CPF is now ADPF and any contract layed on a table for Freeze to sign would have to be vetted by him, ADPF, before it would ever get to that table.......

So you're saying ADPF vetted, approved, and layed said contract on table only to pick it back up and "nix" the deal?

Sounds reasonable..........
 
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Behr said:
I was just curious. If its seriously doubtful that Fulmer blocked Freeze, what happened? Did we even talk to him? Did Fulmer and Pruitt want him but Boyd said no? Did Freeze say no? Nobody really knows what happened but pretty sure what didn't happen?

I have no cIue.
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I’m pretty impressed how quiet this admin is. Not a lot of info getting out.
 
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m1al said:
From what I've gleaned reading thru two threads, it seems nobody is in a big hurry to hire Freeze.

Edit: Wierd, Behr's post got lost somewhere on the interwebz.
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I simply don't get the entire Freeze bandwagon. Freeze doesn't simply have some baggage, he has a lot of baggage. Freeze makes Petrino look like a saint. On top of that, his offensive philosophy is based somewhat on the spread. I desperately want a good OC to come to UT, but would never want to see the admin act desperately to attempt to get one. There are plenty of good OC's out there. Let's get the best fit and be rational about it.
 
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DC_Vol said:
I’m pretty impressed how quiet this admin is. Not a lot of info getting out.
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That's for sure.

I'd like to think that Fulmer and Pruitt decided it was more trouble than it was worth. Like I've said, what I know of Hugh Freeze, and I don't know everything, is not a deal breaker for me. But Im not "Freeze or bust". He has been involved in some questionable stuff.

I'll be just as excited about a couple of others that have been mentioned. If we get them and not what most of us think we will.

Sigh.
 
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BearCat204 said:
I don’t believe for a single second that Fulmer blocked anything. Those 2 (Fulmer and Pruitt) are on the same page and I don’t see Phil blocking a choice that Pruitt wants. JMO
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Depending on IF anything we’ve read here is true (a big if), then I could see that Fulmer “blocked” something that he had approved. Let’s pretend that last week this time Pruitt told Fulmer that Freeze was his guy. Fulmer says ok. Prez/BOT get word and they/their puppet masters say no way. Boyd says Friday that the choice is all up to ADPF and CJP. Then over the weekend strangely enough more press about Freeze’s past. Fulmer realizes that he’s about to become the next Currie if there’s any remote backlash. Fulmer nixes deal.

Edit: and I would prefer to stay above board on any hire and didn’t really want the Freeze baggage. But I do not like the looks of the admin/BOT/boosters ability to overrule a decision made by the football people.
 
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BearCat204 said:
I don’t believe for a single second that Fulmer blocked anything. Those 2 (Fulmer and Pruitt) are on the same page and I don’t see Phil blocking a choice that Pruitt wants. JMO
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Yea, not sure you think the same, but I hope it was a mutual decision. Would make me feel better anyway.
 
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m1al said:
I don't mean to refute your impeccable credentials and sources BUT, you do realize that CPF is now ADPF and any contract layed on a table for Freeze to sign would have to be vetted by him, ADPF, before it would ever get to that table.......

So you're saying ADPF vetted, approved, and layed said contract on table only to pick it back up and "nix" the deal?

Sounds reasonable..........
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Thank God someone has some sense. OP’s last comment was by far the dumbest comment of the day. No way was there ever ink to paper without a blessing from AD. If PF didnt give the blessing, numbers would have never been discussed.
 
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m1al said:
From what I've gleaned reading thru two threads, it seems nobody is in a big hurry to hire Freeze.

Edit: Wierd, Behr's post got lost somewhere on the interwebz.
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Maybe. I don't know. Could be more about him than we know.

Oh well, they (UT) can still come out good in this. I know our history on this isn't in our favor, but it ain't over yet.
 
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Behr said:
That's for sure.

I'd like to think that Fulmer and Pruitt decided it was more trouble than it was worth. Like I've said, what I know of Hugh Freeze, and I don't know everything, is not a deal breaker for me. But Im not "Freeze or bust". He has been involved in some questionable stuff.

I'll be just as excited about a couple of others that have been mentioned. If we get them and not what most of us think we will.

Sigh.
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I periodically make whiny noises on posts, asking exactly what he did to make him regarded as such a great recruiter, but I haven't really heard back. I've been to Oxford, and frankly, you can have it, so I don't really think that it's the thrill of moving to Mississippi.

As a woman, I'm pretty disgusted by the escort service thing (and I don't care if his wife took him back or not, different strokes for different folks), but to me, that's a separate issue on a coach search. CJP doesn't have a stellar track record here either.

But as a Vol fan, I want to know that the sleaze doesn't spill over into recruiting. Not babes for recruits, but the whole crappy world of pay for play and all the rest. We don't need any trouble from the NCAA or SEC, and I'd rather think that we can do a bit better than that. (at least not get caught)
 
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VolNExile said:
I periodically make whiny noises on posts, asking exactly what he did to make him regarded as such a great recruiter, but I haven't really heard back. I've been to Oxford, and frankly, you can have it, so I don't really think that it's the thrill of moving to Mississippi.

As a woman, I'm pretty disgusted by the escort service thing (and I don't care if his wife took him back or not, different strokes for different folks), but to me, that's a separate issue on a coach search. CJP doesn't have a stellar track record here either.

But as a Vol fan, I want to know that the sleaze doesn't spill over into recruiting. Not babes for recruits, but the whole crappy world of pay for play and all the rest. We don't need any trouble from the NCAA or SEC, and I'd rather think that we can do a bit better than that. (at least not get caught)
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To be honest Lima, as long as he stayed clean here, I don't care about the hookers. That's between him and his maker. My belief
 
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Behr said:
To be honest Lima, as long as he stayed clean here, I don't care about the hookers. That's between him and his maker. My belief
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If you had children who attended this fine institution and who are proud of it for various reasons, including athletics, and were an alumni of it, you would think differently. Age causes one to prioritize differently. Don't get me wrong, I would do many things for UT to be back on top in football, but degrading an institution's integrity to win is not a good way to win IMO. This didn't work out well in the Petrino scenario and it usually doesn't work out well anywhere.
 
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gsb0824 said:
If you had children who attended this fine institution and who are proud of it for various reasons, including athletics, and were an alumni of it, you would think differently. Age causes one to prioritize differently. Don't get me wrong, I would do many things for UT to be back on top in football, but degrading an institution's integrity to win is not a good way to win IMO. This didn't work out well in the Petrino scenario and it usually doesn't work out well anywhere.
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So. You're saying he doesn't deserve a 2nd chance or just not here? Overall has seemed to b a fairly moral and charitable guy, the hooker ordeal notwithstanding....
 
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gsb0824 said:
If you had children who attended this fine institution and who are proud of it for various reasons, including athletics, and were an alumni of it, you would think differently. Age causes one to prioritize differently. Don't get me wrong, I would do many things for UT to be back on top in football, but degrading an institution's integrity to win is not a good way to win IMO. This didn't work out well in the Petrino scenario and it usually doesn't work out well anywhere.
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Awfully presumptuous there. I really don't feel like arguing this right now. Doesn't look like we have to worry about it anyway.
 
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gsb0824 said:
If you had children who attended this fine institution and who are proud of it for various reasons, including athletics, and were an alumni of it, you would think differently. Age causes one to prioritize differently. Don't get me wrong, I would do many things for UT to be back on top in football, but degrading an institution's integrity to win is not a good way to win IMO. This didn't work out well in the Petrino scenario and it usually doesn't work out well anywhere.
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We have VERY different ideas about integrity. Carry on with the stones.
 
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jermb41 said:
So. You're saying he doesn't deserve a 2nd chance or just not here? Overall has seemed to b a fairly moral and charitable guy, the hooker ordeal notwithstanding....
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I don't know what he deserves or doesn't deserve. I am simply giving my opinion that he blew his opportunity to lead young men. I don't think he has the moral character to engage in a profession of this type. If I were the parent of a high school football prospect and Mr. Freeze was contacting my son, I would have some reservations. But that's just me. I also believe there are quality OC's available that have a great moral character. I would opt for one of them.
 
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jermb41 said:
So. You're saying he doesn't deserve a 2nd chance or just not here? Overall has seemed to b a fairly moral and charitable guy, the hooker ordeal notwithstanding....
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If he has a zipper control issue, and if (after getting caught) he has repented, made amends, made his wife happy, done the lecture circuit, etc. etc., that's fine. I don't think that there are many of us who haven't had an episode or 20 that make us break into a sweat when remembering at 2:00 a.m. and are grateful that it didn't become public knowledge.

But if he has a pattern of "doing what it takes" to get recruits - in other words, believing that the end justifies the means - then my antennae go up. That's a mentality that doesn't generally change.

There are plenty of people who misbehave privately but who are reasonably honorable in their public and professional lives. And then there are the others.
 
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jermb41 said:
So. You're saying he doesn't deserve a 2nd chance or just not here? Overall has seemed to b a fairly moral and charitable guy, the hooker ordeal notwithstanding....
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Setting aside the moral failing, his past actions show a glaring lack of judgement.
 
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