Hundreds of examples of fraud by Trump and his family, corporations

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Septic said:
That's fair - but I think you're underselling his influence to the right. Especially in hard right districts - his influence is immeasurable. If it weren't my guess is that he'd be tossed out by the GOP like yesterdays trash.
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I think the Left maintains his influence because they continue to target him. I really hope he doesn't run again as I've said a number of times, liked a number of his policies, but detested the circus; he does not know how to govern.

But the people going after him are detested by many on the right. The false attacks do not help. Truth be told, Trump has won a lot on the attacks against him and every single win strengthens him. Leave him alone. Forget about him. He's not hurting anyone.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Agreed and you make a good point about the LTV. I still think, with the exception as has been pointed out dealing with Federal forms, payoff of the loan pretty makes fraud disappear because it is a contract. If the loan is paid off, then the contract has been fulfilled. Period. End of story.

Additionally, property value can change dramatically depending on a lot of factors. For example, a 45 bale/hr cotton gin in Minnesota is not worth much. That same gin in south Georgia or west Texas is worth millions.
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The fraud doesn't disappear, just the incentive to prosecute it does if the loan is paid in full. It is still a crime.
 
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825VOL said:
That is correct. It is called a debt servicing loan or a variation of that. It looks strictly at the monthly income the property will bring in compared to the monthly payment on the property. This is allowed on some residential property as well as commercial. If a borrower is refinancing a current loan on the property or buying a property, the loan-to-value will be in the 60-80% range. If it is a cash-out refi, it will be lower as that is more of a risk and will most likely require an appraisal and full income documentation.
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I know when my wife and her partners are looking at apartment complexes they go through a whole process of figuring the current value, value after renovation and what the potential income will be (more to it than that but that's the basics). They might buy a complex that's appraised street value is 10mil but the mortgage is 15mil with $x budgeted to renovation and other expenses. They have lender inspections and renovation progress reports they have to file with the banks.
 
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VolStrom said:
Do you think that if the republicans went after Biden and as hard as the democrats and their goon squad media went after Trump, that Biden would be impeached? I do, and I also believe that his corrupt ass family would be in prison too.
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I think Biden and his son should probably be in jail for corruption. I also think if the right circumstances presented itself and they had the votes, they wouldn't hesitate to impeach Joe, even if the Senate wouldn't convict.
 
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Septic said:
Business interruption or "loss of rents" coverage is sometimes required by lenders to cover the cost of lost revenue in the event of a insurable loss. That amount is sometimes a set dollar amount based on rental income the mortgagee would receive had a covered loss not occurred. Lenders like to know that even if the building is damaged (e.g. a fire) the mortgagee is still getting enough income to make the loan payments.

Is that what you were thinking of?
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No, that's not quite what I was thinking.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
I think the Left maintains his influence because they continue to target him. I really hope he doesn't run again as I've said a number of times, liked a number of his policies, but detested the circus; he does not know how to govern.

But the people going after him are detested by many on the right. The false attacks do not help. Truth be told, Trump has won a lot on the attacks against him and every single win strengthens him. Leave him alone. Forget about him. He's not hurting anyone.
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Except that at every turn he tells his base that Biden is not the President. And then he defends and denies what happened on January 6.

Neither of those can be ignored. They should be fought each time, every time. People who believe either should be ridiculed relentless.
 
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This is the most accurate tweet I have ever seen. All you had to do was end it. I don't give a **** what you said after that.
 
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hog88 said:
I know when my wife and her partners are looking at apartment complexes they go through a whole process of figuring the current value, value after renovation and what the potential income will be (more to it than that but that's the basics). They might buy a complex that's appraised street value is 10mil but the mortgage is 15mil with $x budgeted to renovation and other expenses. They have lender inspections and renovation progress reports they have to file with the banks.
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There is a type of loan for just about everything and everyone. The one thing they all have in common, is that the banks want to make sure the are in a position to get their money back. If bank X does not require an appraisal and accepts a stated value for a property, you can be sure they are confident that the value is there to make the loan. Otherwise they would just be throwing money away and banks don't normally do that.
 
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lawgator1 said:
From Google:

1. Iron Cross 1st Class (Received by Adolf Hitler on 4 Aug in 1918)


2. Iron Cross 2nd Class (Received by Adolf Hitler on 12 Feb in 1915)


3. Bavarian Medal of Military Service 3rd Class (Received on 25 Aug 1918)


4. Bavarian Cross of Military Merit 3rd Class with Swords (Received on 17 Sep 1917)


5. Regimental Diploma (Received by Adolf Hitler on 5 May in 1918)


6. Wound Badge in Black (Received by Adolf Hitler on 18 May in 1918)


7. Cross of Honor with Swords (Received by Adolf Hitler on 13 Jul in 1934)

Others:

1. Nuremberg Party Day Badge (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1929)


2. Brunswick Rally Badge (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1931)


3. Coburg Badge (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1932)


4. Golden Party Badge (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1933)


5. Blood Order (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1934)


6. Eagle of Sovereignty Pin (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1933)




4. Politics:


Political awards and badges received by Hitler himself:


1. Nazi Party Long Service Award (25 years to Adolf Hitler)


2. Nazi Gau Badges


3. Golden Hitler Youth Badge


4. Honour Chevron for the Old Guard





5. SS:


It was the paramilitary organization under leader of Nazi party (Adolf Hitler). These are the SS awards received by Adolf Hitler:


1. SS Zivilabzeichen (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1934)


2. SS Long Service Award (25 years to Adolf Hitler)


3. SS-Julleuchter




6. International:


Here are international awards received by Hitler:


1. Nobel Peace Prize (Nominated by Erik Gottfrid Christian Brandt, member of the Swedish parliament in 1939)


2. Time Man of the Year (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1938)


3. First Honorary Corporal Italian Blackshirts Militia (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1936)




7. Nazi Civilian Decoration:


Nazi civilian Award received by Hitler:





1.Olympic Games Decoration (As host of 1936 Olympic)
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Hitler was also Time Magazine’s “Man of the Year” just like Obama, Biden, Stalin and Jimmy Carter.
 
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Septic said:
I think Biden and his son should probably be in jail for corruption. I also think if the right circumstances presented itself and they had the votes, they wouldn't hesitate to impeach Joe, even if the Senate wouldn't convict.
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I think they would vote for it too, if for nothing else than revenge. I mean, come on, they impeached Trump after he left office. The democrats have started a path that they will wish someday they hadn't.
 
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Septic said:
That's fair - but I think you're underselling his influence to the right. Especially in hard right districts - his influence is immeasurable. If it weren't my guess is that he'd be tossed out by the GOP like yesterdays trash.
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I'll agree he's definitely got some influence. I have friends who get mad at me for saying he's not a Christian like they think. I believe there's brainwashed people on both sides.
 
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joevol33 said:
I'll agree he's definitely got some influence. I have friends who get mad at me for saying he's not a Christian like they think. I believe there's brainwashed people on both sides.
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Trump a Christian????

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lawgator1 said:
Except that at every turn he tells his base that Biden is not the President. And then he defends and denies what happened on January 6.

Neither of those can be ignored. They should be fought each time, every time. People who believe either should be ridiculed relentless.
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Why did the King George and his red coats get kicked out of the Americas? It wasn't the law, the law is the same. They got kicked out because of corruption and being unjust.

People who believe either should be ridiculed relentless.
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Hm. Well, I can give you one good example in which I myself verified through the State of Michigan. Someone came up with a list of people with their birthdays who voted absentee in Michigan and were already dead. IIRC it was 10s of thousands of voters. Now, I didn't personally verify all these people but I probably spot checked 100 or so, each one checked out. The person requested a ballot, was mailed a ballot, and voted in the 2020. The problem all the people were dead on the list, and some of them didn't even appear to even ever lived in Michigan. A vast majority of them were buried out of State.

Now the State of Michigan, within a few days started making it to where you couldn't verify the information on the list through its website. Why? Well, fraud comes to mind. Further, the State of Michigan came up with a lame ass gotacha, but its not. They say that just because the person voted didn't mean it was counted. LoL The State of Michigan had no idea who these people were and most likely counted them all.

Did a dead 118-year-old man vote absentee in Michigan? State says no

The ones I checked actually lined up with people with the same birthday, exact same name... and there were no other dead people with the same name. Its like winning the lottery every week.

1. Someone registered these people, probably many after they were dead and most what I check never lived in Michigan.
2. Someone received the ballot.
3. Someone sent the ballot in.

In mass.

Now, if someone isn't taking that serious... why would anyone not believe that the other potential problems are not real?
 
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OHvol40 said:
Elvis was famous for being revolutionary in an art form, like him or not. What is Trump’s brand built on? Failed business ventures? Reality TV? Massive loan defaults? Stiffing contractors? Rubbing elbows with organized crime? Maybe it’s his gift of oratory? What is the redeemable quality that this brand is built upon? Because, historically, brands are built on some kind of redeemable quality… or do you not know your history on the matter?
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Not sure this is your wheelhouse. Might want to revisit Trump has his brands, not just the ones that have failed that get you giddy.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It is still illegal to intentionally misstate it. That is the allegation here -- that it was an organized scheme of doing this, across many transactions, and that Trump HIMSELF, as well as others, actively did this.
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As a “lawyer” you should know that you can’t assume someone’s intent.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
The State of Michigan had no idea who these people were and most likely counted them all.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/06/technology/false-dead-michigan-voter-claims.html

Fact check: False claim that 14,000 dead people voted in Michigan

Was the Ballot of Deceased Man Named William Bradley Counted in Michigan?

See, here's the thing with the internet. No matter how ridiculous your thinking, no matter how outright wrong you might be, no matter how demented or delusional your theory, someone, somewhere, will have parroted it for you.

And that is the phenomenon of the right wing MAGA crowd. They are so f'ing stupid and so gullible, so desperate to believe in the narrative they they have already settled upon in their own diseased brains, that if some similarly ill informed person posts it somewhere, it spreads like wildfire, seizing more and more of the lame brained Trump base every step of the way.

Do you think for one second that if there were actually ANY validity to your mind numbingly idiotic claims that they would not have been the subject of relentless REAL litigaiton and exploration, instead of the farts in the wind they were amongst the MAGA morons?
 
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lawgator1 said:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/06/technology/false-dead-michigan-voter-claims.html

Fact check: False claim that 14,000 dead people voted in Michigan

Was the Ballot of Deceased Man Named William Bradley Counted in Michigan?

See, here's the thing with the internet. No matter how ridiculous your thinking, no matter how outright wrong you might be, no matter how demented or delusional your theory, someone, somewhere, will have parroted it for you.

And that is the phenomenon of the right wing MAGA crowd. They are so f'ing stupid and so gullible, so desperate to believe in the narrative they they have already settled upon in their own diseased brains, that if some similarly ill informed person posts it somewhere, it spreads like wildfire, seizing more and more of the lame brained Trump base every step of the way.

Do you think for one second that if there were actually ANY validity to your mind numbingly idiotic claims that they would not have been the subject of relentless REAL litigaiton and exploration, instead of the farts in the wind they were amongst the MAGA morons?
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I didn't use anyone else's database to find the people were dead bro. LoL

This isn't difficult. Someone complied a list of names with birthdays of people that voted. You could than verify for yourself the name birthday, address used. Everyone I searched had unique names and nobody born with the same name or similar name on that date. Basically, all the data came from the State of Michigan other than death date.

What Michigan is saying is their is duplication or other but for everyone I check, that was impossible. The vast majority of people I checked died in other States, some of them like 50 years ago.

that they would not have been the subject of relentless REAL litigaiton and exploration
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Lack of standing bro, lack of jurisdiction, etc. Where have you been? LoL

Hint there were people older > 118, there were some older > 120.
 
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