Hundreds of examples of fraud by Trump and his family, corporations

[GroverCleveland]

Thousand of them, sir. THOUSANDS ....

https://crushthelsatexam.com/deep-dive-donald-trumps-long-history-of-lawsuits/

I misunderstood. On this point I will agree: if Trump has a history of consistent behavior of screwing over people in performance contracts, then hell yes, prosecute him.

I had a situation where a prime contractor screwed over all his subs on a project. We paid him, he violated his contract by not paying one dime to any of the subs. We find out, after the fact, he had a history of it. Probably millions of dollars over the years, easily. Could not get a DA interested. Could not get a lawyer anywhere interested in pursuing it. I personally wanted to feed the bast##d to an alligator in south Georgia. So I do not have a problem with it.

Here is the problem with Trump however on this: People have now, for six years, been going after him hard and heavy trying to prove anything. And none of it has stuck. If there ever is something, then getting people on board with it is going to be extremely difficult because of all the b.s. that has been thrown up over the years. You yourself have posted and chased numerous items with as much substance as a fart in the wind and have been, rightly in my opinion, ridiculed for it. It does not help your credibility. Hint: don't link anything from CNN.

Second point is this thread is about the NY lawsuit. I have doubts it will stick because as I've stated before, the DA strikes me as someone who really doesn't know what they're doing.

 

[lawgator1]

Bill Barr: NY State AG Trump Lawsuit ‘Political Hit Job’ — Dragging Children in ‘Gross Overreach’

Former Attorney General Bill Barr said Wednesday on FNC’s “America Reports” that New York State Attorney General Letitia James’s lawsuit against former President Donald Trump and his adult children was a “political hit job.”

Barr said, “It’s hard for me not to conclude it’s a political hit job. This is a woman who campaigned for office promising she was going to go after Trump, which I think is a tremendous abuse of office to go headhunting and targeting individuals. So I think she was targeting Trump.”

He continued, “This is after three years a civil lawsuit, the gist of which is when the Trump organization borrowed money, Trump personally guaranteed those loans, and to support that, she’s claiming that he inflated his assets on his financial statements. I’m not even sure she has a good case against Trump himself, but what ultimately persuades me that this is a political hit job is she grossly overreaches when she tries to drag the children into this.”

Bill Barr: NY State AG Trump Lawsuit 'Political Hit Job' -- Dragging Children in 'Gross Overreach'

He is entitled to his opinion. Let's see what the evidence turns out to be.

 

[volfanhill]

**** da po-lease.

I pay good money to do what I want here

 

[85SugarVol]

Daily? I’ve avoided you clowns for a while now. Was feeling too enlightened though, had to start slumming it again.

Welcome back.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Depending on the type of loan, you could still be charged with mortgage fraud even if you paid back the loan. If it is a federally backed mortgage loan, then giving fraudulent documents is a federal crime. Falsifying bank statements, income statements(paycheck stubs, W-2's or tax returns) or misrepresenting occupancy intent are the most common types of mortgage fraud. Again, those are usually found out up front or not found until the borrower defaults on their loan.

Okay. I can see that. Was thinking more about commercial loan. While there may be a technical reason for a fraud prosecution, I would be surprised it has occurred in very many instances where the loan was paid off, but I admit I could be wrong on that.

 

[Orangeburst]

We've been told no more Seinfeld memes. So, I cant post the relevant captioned image.

 

[volfanhill]

From Google:

1. Iron Cross 1st Class (Received by Adolf Hitler on 4 Aug in 1918)


2. Iron Cross 2nd Class (Received by Adolf Hitler on 12 Feb in 1915)


3. Bavarian Medal of Military Service 3rd Class (Received on 25 Aug 1918)


4. Bavarian Cross of Military Merit 3rd Class with Swords (Received on 17 Sep 1917)


5. Regimental Diploma (Received by Adolf Hitler on 5 May in 1918)


6. Wound Badge in Black (Received by Adolf Hitler on 18 May in 1918)


7. Cross of Honor with Swords (Received by Adolf Hitler on 13 Jul in 1934)

Others:

1. Nuremberg Party Day Badge (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1929)


2. Brunswick Rally Badge (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1931)


3. Coburg Badge (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1932)


4. Golden Party Badge (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1933)


5. Blood Order (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1934)


6. Eagle of Sovereignty Pin (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1933)




4. Politics:


Political awards and badges received by Hitler himself:


1. Nazi Party Long Service Award (25 years to Adolf Hitler)


2. Nazi Gau Badges


3. Golden Hitler Youth Badge


4. Honour Chevron for the Old Guard





5. SS:


It was the paramilitary organization under leader of Nazi party (Adolf Hitler). These are the SS awards received by Adolf Hitler:


1. SS Zivilabzeichen (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1934)


2. SS Long Service Award (25 years to Adolf Hitler)


3. SS-Julleuchter




6. International:


Here are international awards received by Hitler:


1. Nobel Peace Prize (Nominated by Erik Gottfrid Christian Brandt, member of the Swedish parliament in 1939)


2. Time Man of the Year (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1938)


3. First Honorary Corporal Italian Blackshirts Militia (Adolf Hitler Received This Award in 1936)




7. Nazi Civilian Decoration:


Nazi civilian Award received by Hitler:





1.Olympic Games Decoration (As host of 1936 Olympic)

Comparing Trump to Hitler is insulting to anyone and everyone impacted by that sick F and his nazi regime. Do better

 

[StarRaider]

I'm seriously asking. Why can't you guys get over him? He's been gone for two years, and it's all liberals talk about. No Biden threads, but I understand why he sucks, just trump, constantly. Is it really that you can't get over him beating Hillary fair and square? Does it eat at you guys that much? It's seriously mind boggling.

this ag literally had one campaign promise ..... get trump. after 3 years of digging for dirt this is all they have (election coming up).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...argeted-slumlords-now-shes-going-after-trump/

 

[StarRaider]

Comparing Trump to Hitler is insulting to anyone and everyone impacted by that sick F and his nazi regime. Do better

at least the gayyturrd did not post another lame meme.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Again, the general legal definition I've found has nothing to do with the repayment of the loan, just that the elements of intent to misrepresent, the lender relying on the misrepresentation and "damages" occur.

Here's Florida Statute, I'm sure it's similar in other States including NY.

For the purposes of the section, the term “mortgage lending process” means the process through which a person seeks or obtains a residential mortgage loan, including, but not limited to, the solicitation, application or origination, negotiation of terms, third-party provider services, underwriting, signing and closing, and funding of the loan. Documents involved in the mortgage lending process include, but are not limited to, mortgages, deeds, surveys, inspection reports, uniform residential loan applications, or other loan applications; appraisal reports; HUD-1 settlement statements; supporting personal documentation for loan applications such as W-2 forms, verifications of income and employment, credit reports, bank statements, tax returns, and payroll stubs; and any required disclosures.

Thanks!

 

[Septic]

I'm seriously asking. Why can't you guys get over him? He's been gone for two years, and it's all liberals talk about. No Biden threads, but I understand why he sucks, just trump, constantly. Is it really that you can't get over him beating Hillary fair and square? Does it eat at you guys that much? It's seriously mind boggling.

It's an odd question you're posing because he's the grand puba of the R's and is likely going to run for president again.

Years of and hundreds of examples of alleged fraud isn't something you'd probably not like to have hanging around the neck of a candidate - especially if you're accusing your foe of wonton corruption.

If Trump would just go away, I'd wager so would many of his legal issues.

 

[Orangeburst]

If I cant post Seinfeld gifs..then I might as well leave this place...

 

[StarRaider]

If I cant post Seinfeld gifs..then I might as well leave this place...

we can reschedule the winter of no george to meet OB's requirements.

 

[Orangeburst]

we can reschedule the winter of no george to meet OB's requirements.

You are my only friend..I take back calling you a jerk.

 

[StarRaider]

You are my only friend..I take back calling you a jerk.

I was honored to be part of the jerk store inventory

 

[825VOL]

Okay. I can see that. Was thinking more about commercial loan. While there may be a technical reason for a fraud prosecution, I would be surprised it has occurred in very many instances where the loan was paid off, but I admit I could be wrong on that.

Most loans require an appraisal of the collateral. When an appraisal is not done, the lender relies on either an automated evaluation of the property or is using a program that allows them not have an appraisal done. Even if that internal evaluation comes in lower( the value of which will not be disclosed to the borrower), it may not affect the loan-to-value significantly enough to result in a different interest rate or different terms being offered to the borrower.

For example, if I am getting a commercial loan for $1m and I state my property is worth $25 mil, the bank does not care if the true value is $10 mil or $30 mil. The loan-to-value is small enough that the difference does not affect the approval of the loan. At this point, all they care about is the required cash flow to make the payments.

 

[joevol33]

It's an odd question you're posing because he's the grand puba of the R's and is likely going to run for president again.

Years of and hundreds of examples of alleged fraud isn't something you'd probably not like to have hanging around the neck of a candidate - especially if you're accusing your foe of wonton corruption.

If Trump would just go away, I'd wager so would many of his legal issues.

Everything they're doing is because they don't want him to run again imo. Also, I don't think he will, hope he doesn't, but that still doesn't explain the obsession that liberals have. I have a friend who posted a meme on Facebook, he's a liberal, that was a picture of trump with the caption "I can't wait for the day to never hear his name again ". The funny thing, he literally, like the liberals in here, posts about trump every single day. You guys brag about how many Republicans don't like him, but now he's the grand poobah? I mean I understand the fear that he'd win vs Biden again, because Biden is so bad none of you even talk about him , but he's not president. I also get trying to distract from all the hypocritical stuff, Martha's vineyard for example, but good grief, let him go. Nothing, even him going to jail, will ever change that he beat Hillary, and I sincerely believe that's the root of it.

 

[hog88]

Most loans require an appraisal of the collateral. When an appraisal is not done, the lender relies on either an automated evaluation of the property or is using a program that allows them not have an appraisal done. Even if that internal evaluation comes in lower( the value of which will not be disclosed to the borrower), it may not affect the loan-to-value significantly enough to result in a different interest rate or different terms being offered to the borrower.

For example, if I am getting a commercial loan for $1m and I state my property is worth $25 mil, the bank does not care if the true value is $10 mil or $30 mil. The loan-to-value is small enough that the difference does not affect the approval of the loan. At this point, all they care about is the required cash flow to make the payments.

Some lenders will calculate potential revenue into to property value for loan purposes, there is a term for it but it escapes me at the moment.

 

[Septic]

Everything they're doing is because they don't want him to run again imo. Also, I don't think he will, hope he doesn't, but that still doesn't explain the obsession that liberals have. I have a friend who posted a meme on Facebook, he's a liberal, that was a picture of trump with the caption "I can't wait for the day to never hear his name again ". The funny thing, he literally, like the liberals in here, posts about trump every single day. You guys brag about how many Republicans don't like him, but now he's the grand poobah? I mean I understand the fear that he'd win vs Biden again, because Biden is so bad none of you even talk about him , but he's not president. I also get trying to distract from all the hypocritical stuff, Martha's vineyard for example, but good grief, let him go. Nothing, even him going to jail, will ever change that he beat Hillary, and I sincerely believe that's the root of it.

That's fair - but I think you're underselling his influence to the right. Especially in hard right districts - his influence is immeasurable. If it weren't my guess is that he'd be tossed out by the GOP like yesterdays trash.

 

[volinbham]

Again, the general legal definition I've found has nothing to do with the repayment of the loan, just that the elements of intent to misrepresent, the lender relying on the misrepresentation and "damages" occur.

Here's Florida Statute, I'm sure it's similar in other States including NY.

For the purposes of the section, the term “mortgage lending process” means the process through which a person seeks or obtains a residential mortgage loan, including, but not limited to, the solicitation, application or origination, negotiation of terms, third-party provider services, underwriting, signing and closing, and funding of the loan. Documents involved in the mortgage lending process include, but are not limited to, mortgages, deeds, surveys, inspection reports, uniform residential loan applications, or other loan applications; appraisal reports; HUD-1 settlement statements; supporting personal documentation for loan applications such as W-2 forms, verifications of income and employment, credit reports, bank statements, tax returns, and payroll stubs; and any required disclosures.

(2) A person commits the offense of mortgage fraud if, with the intent to defraud, the person knowingly:

(a) Makes any material misstatement, misrepresentation, or omission during the mortgage lending process with the intention that the misstatement, misrepresentation, or omission will be relied on by a mortgage lender, borrower, or any other person or entity involved in the mortgage lending process; however, omissions on a loan application regarding employment, income, or assets for a loan which does not require this information are not considered a material omission for purposes of this subsection.

(b) Uses or facilitates the use of any material misstatement, misrepresentation, or omission during the mortgage lending process with the intention that the material misstatement, misrepresentation, or omission will be relied on by a mortgage lender, borrower, or any other person or entity involved in the mortgage lending process; however, omissions on a loan application regarding employment, income, or assets for a loan which does not require this information are not considered a material omission for purposes of this subsection.

(c) Receives any proceeds or any other funds in connection with the mortgage lending process that the person knew resulted from a violation of paragraph (a) or paragraph (b).

(d) Files or causes to be filed with the clerk of the circuit court for any county of this state a document involved in the mortgage lending process which contains a material misstatement, misrepresentation, or omission.

(3) An offense of mortgage fraud may not be predicated solely upon information lawfully disclosed under federal disclosure laws, regulations, or interpretations related to the mortgage lending process.

(4) For the purpose of venue under this section, any violation of this section is considered to have been committed:
(a) In the county in which the real property is located; or
(b) In any county in which a material act was performed in furtherance of the violation.

(5)(a) Any person who violates subsection (2) commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(b) Any person who violates subsection (2), and the loan value stated on documents used in the mortgage lending process exceeds $100,000, commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.

I'm sure I missed the context for this reply but you've linked a criminal statute.

 

[GroverCleveland]

Most loans require an appraisal of the collateral. When an appraisal is not done, the lender relies on either an automated evaluation of the property or is using a program that allows them not have an appraisal done. Even if that internal evaluation comes in lower( the value of which will not be disclosed to the borrower), it may not affect the loan-to-value significantly enough to result in a different interest rate or different terms being offered to the borrower.

For example, if I am getting a commercial loan for $1m and I state my property is worth $25 mil, the bank does not care if the true value is $10 mil or $30 mil. The loan-to-value is small enough that the difference does not affect the approval of the loan. At this point, all they care about is the required cash flow to make the payments.

Agreed and you make a good point about the LTV. I still think, with the exception as has been pointed out dealing with Federal forms, payoff of the loan pretty makes fraud disappear because it is a contract. If the loan is paid off, then the contract has been fulfilled. Period. End of story.

Additionally, property value can change dramatically depending on a lot of factors. For example, a 45 bale/hr cotton gin in Minnesota is not worth much. That same gin in south Georgia or west Texas is worth millions.

 

[VolStrom]

It's an odd question you're posing because he's the grand puba of the R's and is likely going to run for president again.

Years of and hundreds of examples of alleged fraud isn't something you'd probably not like to have hanging around the neck of a candidate - especially if you're accusing your foe of wonton corruption.

If Trump would just go away, I'd wager so would many of his legal issues.

Do you think that if the republicans went after Biden and as hard as the democrats and their goon squad media went after Trump, that Biden would be impeached? I do, and I also believe that his corrupt ass family would be in prison too.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Trump is like the SEC.

To liberals he just means more.

More than an border crisis.
More than a fetanyl plague.
More than inflation.
More than high gas prices.


He just means more.

 

[825VOL]

Some lenders will calculate potential revenue into to property value for loan purposes, there is a term for it but it escapes me at the moment.

That is correct. It is called a debt servicing loan or a variation of that. It looks strictly at the monthly income the property will bring in compared to the monthly payment on the property. This is allowed on some residential property as well as commercial. If a borrower is refinancing a current loan on the property or buying a property, the loan-to-value will be in the 60-80% range. If it is a cash-out refi, it will be lower as that is more of a risk and will most likely require an appraisal and full income documentation.

 

[Septic]

Some lenders will calculate potential revenue into to property value for loan purposes, there is a term for it but it escapes me at the moment.

Business interruption or "loss of rents" coverage is sometimes required by lenders to cover the cost of lost revenue in the event of a insurable loss. That amount is sometimes a set dollar amount based on rental income the mortgagee would receive had a covered loss not occurred. Lenders like to know that even if the building is damaged (e.g. a fire) the mortgagee is still getting enough income to make the loan payments.

Is that what you were thinking of?