Hyatt sitting not an issue

#76
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Sudden Impact said:
I am not going to get into a tit for tat with you, nor am I going to get into a semantic word game play with you.

It is what it is but define integrity quitting, LOL vs making a decision about both their futures and any known conversations you are privy to that occurred with the coaching staff.

You make this sound like Hyatt sent the team a "Dear John" letter.
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I'm fine with Hyatt opting out. The poster you quoted says he's quit jobs before but apparently he did it the right way.
 
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Sitting out because you might get injured is fascinating to me, as an argument, because if you accept it as a premise then you should be equally fine with a player sitting out in any situation where it applies.

So, a player who's projected to go in the draft would be okay sitting out the CFP championship game, or a conference championship game, or all of them, and so on. If you really don't have any problem with them sitting out, then it should be fine for them to sit out no matter what. You should more or less advocate it, really, as it will always be the optimal choice for an individual seeking to maximize profit in that setting.

I wonder how fans in general would accept that, or what that would do to the game at that point. And what the implications would be for the sport. Maybe any college sport. If you're projected as a first round NBA prospect, you probably shouldn't play in the NCAA tournament, either.
 
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GAVol said:
Yes . . . He quit. I don't blame him for quitting at all. I don't think there's anything wrong with him deciding that it was best for him to quit and move on. People do it all the time. But the notion that quitting is bad but "opting out" is OK is just a goofy word game.
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It is a word game. Quitting vs Opting Out. Quitting has a bad connotation and Opting Out reveals that he had a choice which in his case was a business decision, nothing more, nothing less, and nothing else.
 
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fefe said:
Choosing to not play, for whatever reason (even valid reasons such as Draft stock), is quitting. There is a game still to be played and he has chosen to quit. I don't necessarily blame him but I think it's a bad trend developing in CFB. It won't be long until players are sitting out regular season games.
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It is a meaningless game which has the potential to deprive him of a future he's worked hard to achieve.
 
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I understand the concern over the risk of injury, but I also think that some players are choosing not to play in their team's bowl game because that decision has taken on the appearance of "this is what the elite draft prospects do," and that is how they want to be perceived. I think it has become a matter of players trying to establish a professional-minded, elite brand for themselves.

Basically : It's what the cool kids do.
 
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Voltopia said:
Sitting out because you might get injured is fascinating to me, as an argument, because if you accept it as a premise then you should be equally fine with a player sitting out in any situation where it applies.

So, a player who's projected to go in the draft would be okay sitting out the CFP championship game, or a conference championship game, or all of them, and so on. If you really don't have any problem with them sitting out, then it should be fine for them to sit out no matter what. I wonder how fans in general would accept that, or what that would do to the game at that point.
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If a player has secured a sufficiently high draft grade and he doesn't believe that sitting out will affect it... then sit.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
If a player has secured a sufficiently high draft grade and he doesn't believe that sitting out will affect it... then sit.
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So, and this is purely curiosity, I promise; had Tennessee made the CFP, and reached a title game rematch against UGA, and let's say Hooker, Hyatt, and Tillman (or whoever, just anyone who'd have draft chances) all chose to sit ... that's okay? Like, you'd be okay with it?

I don't know how I'd feel in that situation. I'd understand guys making that choice, but at the same time, I don't know what I'd think about the game or the experience. Like, why do I care about the game at that point? I realize the response there is "it doesn't matter if you care," but I don't know how to square that one away.
 
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Here is the x-factor. Milton was running with the twos. He is more familiar with how squirrel runs his routes than he is with Hyatt. That could be a wash.
 
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Voltopia said:
Sitting out because you might get injured is fascinating to me, as an argument, because if you accept it as a premise then you should be equally fine with a player sitting out in any situation where it applies.

So, a player who's projected to go in the draft would be okay sitting out the CFP championship game, or a conference championship game, or all of them, and so on. If you really don't have any problem with them sitting out, then it should be fine for them to sit out no matter what. You should more or less advocate it, really, as it will always be the optimal choice for an individual seeking to maximize profit in that setting.

I wonder how fans in general would accept that, or what that would do to the game at that point. And what the implications would be for the sport. Maybe any college sport. If you're projected as a first round NBA prospect, you probably shouldn't play in the NCAA tournament, either.
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Personally, I'm fine with any choice an individual makes regarding doing anything related to career, work, education etc. What business is it of mine? It's a bizarre concept to me that life choices of others that don't harm me or my loved ones, or really anyone, should be a concern of mine.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Personally, I'm fine with any choice an individual makes regarding doing anything related to career, work, education etc. What business is it of mine? It's a bizarre concept to me that life choices of others that don't harm me or my loved ones, or really anyone, should be a concern of mine.
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We totally agree. I just call it quitting.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
It is a meaningless game which has the potential to deprive him of a future he's worked hard to achieve.
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The "meaningless" angle is used a lot ... and to that end, I will say that it depends on who you are talking about. There is no chance that Josh Heupel thinks of it that way. He has bonus incentives for winning such a major bowl game... and if Tennessee loses, the meltdown on this forum will be no different than after any other loss.
 
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vols40 said:
We totally agree. I just call it quitting.
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It is quitting. But quitting is a positive for people. The truly ignorant use it only in a negative connotation. Especially when offended on a personal level by it because they want their football team to win a game.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Personally, I'm fine with any choice an individual makes regarding doing anything related to career, work, education etc. What business is it of mine? It's a bizarre concept to me that life choices of others that don't harm me or my loved ones, or really anyone, should be a concern of mine.
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That's true in a workplace, sure, but there is some difference in this situation. Fans are asked and encouraged to be fans, be supporters, of sports teams, to invest at emotional and fiscal levels in those teams and in their performance. All that talk about community, and representing the school and the state, and all that jazz. Donate your money. Buy apparel. Buy apparel with names on them! Travel to games. Show up and support your team. The relationship is not a one-way street, or at least, it's not presented as a one way street.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
It is quitting. But quitting is a positive for people. The truly ignorant use it only in a negative connotation. Especially when offended on a personal level by it because they want their football team to win a game.
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No ill will or anything but positive hopes for him.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
The "meaningless" angle is used a lot ... and to that end, I will say that it depends on who you are talking about. There is no chance that Josh Heupel thinks of it that way. He has bonus incentives for winning such a major bowl game... and if Tennessee loses, the meltdown on this forum will be no different than after any other loss.
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The game means something especially if you win. Win and UT finishes in the top ten. Hasn't been done in a long time.
 
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PEPPERJAX said:
The game means something especially if you win. Win and UT finishes in the top ten. Hasn't been done in a long time.
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Sure ... and the overall perception of the program can be boosted or diminished with the bowl game performance.

If you were to ask the average Tennessee fan over the age of 40 to name the biggest 10 Tennessee wins of their lifetime, the 35-7 win over Miami in the 1986 Sugar Bowl is a game that will make everyone's top 10 ... and yet, by the standards of today, it was a "meaningless" game. Miami entered the game with the possibility of a share of the National Championship on the line, but the only things Tennessee was playing for were a top 5 finish and pride - just like with the Orange Bowl vs Clemson. What if WR Tim McGhee had sat out the game? It wouldn't have been any different than what Hyatt is doing.
 
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SpookyAction said:
If Hyatt was my son, I would look at the long term picture and urge him to sit out the Bowl Game.
As a huge fan of UT, I hate it, but I can't push for anyone to risk 1st round money for one last game.
If he was projected for the 3rd round, I would urge him to stay and improve his draft stock, but that is not the case.
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I'm probably the oddball here but I would take the exact opposite approach. I grew up in one of the poorest counties in all of Appalachia. Today we would be considered poor. Then we were "lower middle class". We didn't know it at the time but sometimes we ate things canned out of the garden because my parents had to stretch the food budget. Some of those 3 or 4 days of pintos weren't because mom and dad "loved them". They didn't get AC or powered heat until after I left home. We had a wood stove and hoped for a breeze through the window at night when it was so hot we couldn't sleep.

I had great parents who taught us good values and commitment and responsibility. I've been blessed and do reasonably well now.

All that to say this: I've been without money and I've had money... and my happiness was never tied to money. Some of the best years of my life were when my wife and I were starting a family and tight on money. We didn't take vacations but found fun things to do together.

I would advise my kid to do what gave him joy and would create the best memories 20 years from now. What would give him "pride"?

For these reasons... and because after all of these years I remember my last HS game... a 7-6 loss in the state semi-finals... I'd play. The risks aren't that high. The rewards you can't put a price on.
 
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vols40 said:
Lol. Saying he quit does not equal not wanting him to better himself. It's saying that he quit before the season was done.
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Season is done . Bowl game is a exhibition if your not in the playoff. You still play to win, haven’t met anybody who has played any sport in the back yard that doesn’t mean Jack not want to win.
 
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knox-townVOL said:
Yep. Stop calling it "opting out" to be politically correct and call it what it is.
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Exactly. Call me old school...because I am, but when someone does that, I got no use for 'em. In my book, they forfeit the VFL label because they placed their interests over that of the team. I call it selfish and a me first attitude. Like fefe said, he quit. Hooker is the only one I'll give a pass to. The others...good riddance. Yes, I know Tillman was still not 100% but suspect he is by now so I don't consider him injured. We might get the hell beat out of us, but I'd still rather have the kids who are out there fighting for their school and mates over the so-called opt outs any day of the week.
 
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