Hyatt sitting not an issue

[NCFisher]

Did more than 3 out of the 15-30 bowl games per season EVER have even the slightest NC implication even BEFORE the BCS (1998)?

... and if NC implications is the criteria for designating games as being meaningful, then 75% of all college football games played in November by schools in the FBS from now are just exhibition games.

Again, the BCS and CFP are major changes since then that people have become acclimated to. Do you recall the BCS complaints? I do and we've gradually been weaned off the more subjective system of bowls selecting titles. This is no different, except players were still bound to schools and not allowed to earn income on the very thing the school monopolized; the players star ability.

In contrast, NIL, portal, and the adjunct effect of opt-outs have blown up in the space of two years and we've had to go cold turkey, and some fans haven't seen the writing on the wall yet. The genie is permanently out. Heupel's doing the right thing; his philosophy is back the player's best interest, pair them with financial and NFL advisors, and guide them to their best decision. Again, are you sending your son to him or Dabo and Saban sputtering about sitting out the whole year and sky-yelling about NIL?

Those November games are contracted, scheduled games; you have to play them. Bowl games are elective. Let's not make this hard.

 

[BigALWiLson]

The circumstances are identical.

Was Tennessee playing for a National Championship in the 1998 Orange Bowl?
No, they were not. If Tennessee had beaten Nebraska, then Michigan would have been the unanimous National Champion.

Was Peyton Manning the clear cut #1 overall pick in the 1998 NFL Draft?
Yes, he was. He had nothing to gain personally from playing ... and despite already being injured, he played anyway.

Wow dude you are butt bent over a kid not playing...get tf over it already. You whining is n9t going to make him play. Go Vols hoping for the best tonight.

 

[vols40]

That's me - The Anointed One.

Are bowl games not elective? Do bowl games have even the slightest NC implication since BCS? Has CJH's recruiting and the portal not shown us bowl's don't even have recruiting value since our class is practically done based upon the regular, scheduled season performance? That's why even the prestigious OB means nothing except to us fans, players as a vacation, and revenue to schools and networks. It's practicality, it's 2023 winter camp.

Some fans need to accept the age of indentured players is over, it isn't coming back, and it's a good thing the court has restored their rights every other American enjoys. Bowl opt-outs are a leading indicator of that change.

Separate fan-feels from the equation and you'll see there is no reason that private business wanting player endorsements will burden their business opportunity with such 'mandates'. You want the guy fronting your product or you don't, and he's even worth more to you with an NFL contract. Is your mandate worth more than his high draft status to him? If you don't want Jalin or Nico selling Porsches for you without a bowl mandate, the Benz dealer does. It isn't even legal in some states, maybe most/all.

Are you going to send your 1st-2nd rounder to Dabo screeching about sitting out the who season if you sit a bowl, or Heupel telling your son we can't talk team without caring for the individual first? Stop holding onto the plantation system. Heupel is dealing with this exactly how he should, in order to have the program thrive in this new era.

Plantation system and indentured players.... Explains a lot. Thanks

 

[BigALWiLson]

The circumstances are identical.

Was Tennessee playing for a National Championship in the 1998 Orange Bowl?
No, they were not. If Tennessee had beaten Nebraska, then Michigan would have been the unanimous 1997 National Champion.

Was Peyton Manning the clear cut #1 overall pick in the 1998 NFL Draft?
Yes, he was. He had nothing to gain personally from playing ... and despite already being injured, he played anyway.

And no the circumstances are not identical. Peyton is Peyton and Jalin is Jalin. Two different people with two very different realities

 

[vols40]

Nope I’m saying fans are selfish if they want a player to play just to satisfy their needy fan complex. Although I think it’s dumb for a top draft choice to play in a non-playoff bowl game, that is strictly their decision just like it’s Jalin’s decision not to play. Not going to quibble with either one.

Even Coach has the game in proper perspective. In a KNS article this morning, Josh stated that the bowl game is a nice reward for a great season but in the same breath he also said it’s the start of the 2023 season for the players who will be back. Personally I think the focus should be on the latter. Why fans can’t keep the same perspective is a mystery to me.

Having perspective does not mean people are wrong by saying he quit as opposed to opting out.

 

[NCFisher]

And then you have Hooker in his farewell letter to TN fans talking about how important winning a bowl game was to him.

different strokes for different folks..........that's what the whole discussion is about.
Some do not view Hyatt's strokes in a favorable way. He will rightfully be viewed in a slightly less favorable way.

Good for him, no lack of appreciation for Hooker. He'd probably have eclipsed Manning with four years here. Instead a freak injury is going to cost him millions and perhaps a career as a starter; these opportunities are finite and perishable.

I hold Hyatt in the same esteem. I'm sure he'd like to play but with the advisory apparatus Heupel has set up to assist players, had decided it's not logical. Perhaps 'some' should blame CJH for not being a pedantic self-server yelling about opt-outs and NIL, as some coaches do.

CJH is doing the right thing and players recognize that.

 

[NCFisher]

That isn't something new.

Most bowl games did not have any title implications even before the BCS and CFP.

By the time the 1998 Orange Bowl was played, Tennessee no longer had a shot at the National Championship. Michigan had won the Rose Bowl the night before over Washington State to complete an undefeated season. That did not prevent the #1 overall pick in the 1998 NFL Draft, Peyton Manning, from playing in the game, however ... even though he had injured his knee just a month prior in the SEC CG vs Auburn.

I'll simply take it at face value; NU only had a shot by beating TN. That's because bowls determined NCs unlike TNs '51 NC. The point is times change and players rights are justifiably here to stay. You can wish for them to be curtailed but this is the new era and it is better whatever the negative impact on the game. Which, after all, is just a game.

I don't give a single shite what PM decided to do. It was his choice and I support Hyatt deciding his interest no less/more than Manning. Hyatt risked his ass hundreds of days on the field just like Manning.

 

[SpookyAction]

As a company owner, I pay a kid NIL not so that I feel good about myself, but as a marketing tool to generate more business. And after I pay a kid, he decides he is going to quit ?!?!?!? I would structure the NIL deal as bonus driven and a percentage held in reserve to pay out in at the end of the season and forfeiture for not participating.

Eventually we will see one of these NIL contracts. I am anxious to see how the pay structure aligns with playing games and when the player leaves the program or when it stops paying.

 

[BowlBrother85]

I'll simply take it at face value; NU only had a shot by beating TN. That's because bowls determined NCs unlike TNs '51 NC. The point is times change and players rights are justifiably here to stay. You can wish for them to be curtailed but this is the new era and it is better whatever the negative impact on the game. Which, after all, is just a game.

I don't give a single shite what PM decided to do. It was his choice and I support Hyatt deciding his interest no less/more than Manning. Hyatt risked his ass hundreds of days on the field just like Manning.

Players have always had the right to sit out of their team's bowl game. This did not become an acceptable practice until Christian McCaffrey "opted out" of Stanford's bowl game 6 years ago.

 

[BowlBrother85]

And no the circumstances are not identical. Peyton is Peyton and Jalin is Jalin. Two different people with two very different realities

Right. Peyton had far more to lose as the #1 overall pick.

 

[NCFisher]

Plantation system and indentured players.... Explains a lot. Thanks

What does it explain to you? Do you disagree with the court the NCAA and member schools have run a monopolistic cartel system in cahoots with networks to generate enormous revenues while denying players the same opportunity? Do coaches, admin have to sit out a year when transferring or have other coaches deny them a transfer or which conference they can transfer to?

Because fans are accustomed to the monopoly, the cartel - or plantation - doesn't mean there is a nicer term for denying rights of association, mobility, and economic liberty. Especially while profiteering from them yourself. For decades.

It just wasn't polite conversation.

 

[BigALWiLson]

Right. Peyton had far more to lose as the #1 overall pick.

I didn't debate that..... The point is they are two different people. People do different things. Hyatt's buddy just lost his senior season due to injury that will likely cost himself some money. I firmly believe Tillman would have been drafted higher had he not came back for his senior year. His qb had a season ending acl. I'm sure they all talked.

 

[BowlBrother85]

Wow dude you are butt bent over a kid not playing...get tf over it already. You whining is n9t going to make him play. Go Vols hoping for the best tonight.

How about get over yourself? I'm free to express my opinions just as you are.

Those of you talking about the Orange Bowl like it's a spring scrimmage are being ridiculous. The Vanderbilt game mattered, but the Orange Bowl vs Clemson doesn't? That is stupid.

 

[NCFisher]

Players have always had the right to sit out of their team's bowl game. This did not become an acceptable practice until Christian McCaffrey "opted out" of Stanford's bowl game 6 years ago.

I get the impression many don't accept it, anymore than NIL or transfer portal.

Right. Peyton had far more to lose as the #1 overall pick.

But didn't he have the same to lose, his entire draft stake? 'More' is a relative term when 'all' is what you're risking.

 

[luthervol]

Good for him, no lack of appreciation for Hooker. He'd probably have eclipsed Manning with four years here. Instead a freak injury is going to cost him millions and perhaps a career as a starter; these opportunities are finite and perishable.

I hold Hyatt in the same esteem. I'm sure he'd like to play but with the advisory apparatus Heupel has set up to assist players, had decided it's not logical. Perhaps 'some' should blame CJH for not being a pedantic self-server yelling about opt-outs and NIL, as some coaches do.

CJH is doing the right thing and players recognize that.

Of course the decision should be left to the players. I haven't seen anyone suggest otherwise.
Hyatt made his decision and people naturally reacted to his decision.
I'm personally just not a big fan of the decision.
There's a reason why all players (or people) are not looked upon with the same level of respect.
Next man up.......go Squirrel!!!

 

[luthervol]

This 100%. Let’s say a freak injury happens and he literally sacrifices millions for a non-natty bowl game. It’s not the call we as fans want, but it’s the smart one.

Hope he doesn't pull a hammy while draining for the combine.

 

[NCFisher]

As a company owner, I pay a kid NIL not so that I feel good about myself, but as a marketing tool to generate more business. And after I pay a kid, he decides he is going to quit ?!?!?!? I would structure the NIL deal as bonus driven and a percentage held in reserve to pay out in at the end of the season and forfeiture for not participating.

I think that's a pay for play issue, same as booster/business saying I'll give you $$$$ to play at XYZ school. You are cashing in on their celebrity, not managing their career, not their employer. Hyatt's NFL contract might be minimum $11M, or half-again more. You'd essentially be saying you'll prioritize my NIL deal over your NFL contract; who's going to offer NFL money for an NIL deal?

If one steps back from it a bit and views this dispassionately, the player holds the cards here. Someone will sign the skill guys.

 

[NCFisher]

Of course the decision should be left to the players. I haven't seen anyone suggest otherwise.
Hyatt made his decision and people naturally reacted to his decision.
I'm personally just not a big fan of the decision.
There's a reason why all players (or people) are not looked upon with the same level of respect.
Next man up.......go Squirrel!!!

I'd love if he played, I bet he'd love to play, but I think he's making the clear and logical decision not to. Anyone disrespecting him over one game after hundreds of days he risked his skin on the field, isn't deserving of respect themselves.

I'm looking forward to seeing Milton playing with the guys he'll likely be starting with next year. Next up, indeed.

 

[VOL RN]

 

[NCFisher]

Hope he doesn't pull a hammy while draining for the combine.

What are you saying? That a combine workout carries the same risk as game combat? Because injuries are by nature accidents that can happen anytime, one should never minimize risks? Good grief.

 

[NCFisher]

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Awww....little doggy's peeping from under the porch.

 

[luthervol]

What are you saying? That a combine workout carries the same risk as game combat? Because injuries are by nature accidents that can happen anytime, one should never minimize risks? Good grief.

I acknowledge that training carries slightly less risk than a bowl game.
I'm merely highlighting that all activities carry risks.

 

[vols40]

What does it explain to you? Do you disagree with the court the NCAA and member schools have run a monopolistic cartel system in cahoots with networks to generate enormous revenues while denying players the same opportunity? Do coaches, admin have to sit out a year when transferring or have other coaches deny them a transfer or which conference they can transfer to?

Because fans are accustomed to the monopoly, the cartel - or plantation - doesn't mean there is a nicer term for denying rights of association, mobility, and economic liberty. Especially while profiteering from them yourself. For decades.

It just wasn't polite conversation.

I apologize as I thought you were part of the opt-out feel goodism speak. I could care less how much anyone makes because it in no way (zero) affects me. I don't get involved in the "athlete vs the system argument". Don't understand fans who do. Just like I have said before I love watching the Vols. I have my entire life. But if I woke up tomorrow to zero sports of any kind my life would not be affected in the least. The year MLB cancelled the world series did it for me with all sports.

If you are hoping to get the masses on your side then the hyperbolic rhetoric should be lessened.

 

[VolMax]

I do t think Hyatt would've made much of a difference tonight. Squirrel had a great game!

 

[BowlBrother85]

I do t think Hyatt would've made much of a difference tonight. Squirrel had a great game!

Things worked out great. 11-2. Best season for Tennessee football since 2001. The future looks bright.