Hyatt sitting not an issue

[Delmar]

Hard to claim it's meaningless when tens of thousands of people spend hundreds of dollars each to attend, and a couple of million more will be building their Friday night around watching the game tomorrow.

Attending or watching is a fan’s choice. If you can’t afford it, don’t go. If the player makes the opt out choice (and it is strictly his decision), it is to protect his livelihood and earnings potential. I don’t know about others but my first priority in life is to protect my family and ensure they have what they need to thrive. Players are faced with making that choice. If you just want them to play for a better chance to win a meaningless bowl game, that’s just selfish.

 

[Delmar]

You avoided the obvious underlying question. When does the quitting stop? Can the college football world continue to look forward to seeing more players string a wonderful season together (12 games) and just quit? What happens when this starts backing up in the regular season? And for the record I think we all knew as Vol fans after his incredible game against Alabama that JH's days as a vol was over at the end of the year.

College football is no longer what it used to be. Even more than it used to be, it is strictly business for the players and the university. The sooner the fans adjust to that new reality, the better off they’ll be. I have already made my peace with that and look at it for what it is. Pro football.

 

[vols40]

Attending or watching is a fan’s choice. If you can’t afford it, don’t go. If the player makes the opt out choice (and it is strictly his decision), it is to protect his livelihood and earnings potential. I don’t know about others but my first priority in life is to protect my family and ensure they have what they need to thrive. Players are faced with making that choice. If you just want them to play for a better chance to win a meaningless bowl game, that’s just selfish.

Please explain how much higher rated prospects also ostensibly trying to protect their families so they "have what they need to thrive" chose to play in a meaningless bowl game. And the second part of my question... Are these higher rated prospects also selfish?

 

[vols40]

College football is no longer what it used to be. Even more than it used to be, it is strictly business for the players and the university. The sooner the fans adjust to that new reality, the better off they’ll be. I have already made my peace with that and look at it for what it is. Pro football.

Mods @Delmar has made peace with "that" please end this thread.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Mods @Delmar has made peace with "that" please end this thread.

 

[luthervol]

Attending or watching is a fan’s choice. If you can’t afford it, don’t go. If the player makes the opt out choice (and it is strictly his decision), it is to protect his livelihood and earnings potential. I don’t know about others but my first priority in life is to protect my family and ensure they have what they need to thrive. Players are faced with making that choice. If you just want them to play for a better chance to win a meaningless bowl game, that’s just selfish.

lol......so is being selfish a good or bad thing? Hyatt is my son's favorite player; I'm just looking out for what is best for my family when thinking Hyatt should play.

Often times what is best for oneself is not what is best for others.
Simple example - someone comes to you and offers you the choice of giving you $10,000 or giving $100,000 to an orphanage in Africa. One or the other - what do you choose?
What if it was $10,000 to you or $10,000 to the orphanage?
$10,00 to you or $5000 to the orphanage?

Choices are constantly being made between what is best for you (the individual) weighed against what is best for others (society).
Your first priority in life should be to set a good example for your family of how a man should live his life......

 

[vols40]

Attending or watching is a fan’s choice. If you can’t afford it, don’t go. If the player quits (and it is strictly his decision), it is to protect his livelihood and earnings potential. I don’t know about others but my first priority in life is to protect my family and ensure they have what they need to thrive. Players are faced with making that choice. If you just want them to play for a better chance to win a meaningless bowl game, that’s just selfish.

Fixed your post

 

[BowlBrother85]

You avoided the obvious underlying question. When does the quitting stop? Can the college football world continue to look forward to seeing more players string a wonderful season together (12 games) and just quit? What happens when this starts backing up in the regular season? And for the record I think we all knew as Vol fans after his incredible game against Alabama that JH's days as a vol was over at the end of the year.

That's a good question.

There likely will come a time when players on non-CFP contending teams will start quitting after they have firmly established themselves as Day 1 draft picks. This could mean guys leaving their teams halfway through the season. That's what you will end up with, if you only consider games with CFP ramifications to be "meaningful."

 

[vols40]

That's a good question.

There likely will come a time when players on non-CFP contending teams will start quitting after they have firmly established themselves as Day 1 draft picks. This could mean guys leaving their teams halfway through the season. That's what you will end up with, if you only consider games with CFP ramifications to be "meaningful."

And there will be the righteous among us who say who are you to question them.

 

[BigALWiLson]

You avoided the obvious underlying question. When does the quitting stop? Can the college football world continue to look forward to seeing more players string a wonderful season together (12 games) and just quit? What happens when this starts backing up in the regular season? And for the record I think we all knew as Vol fans after his incredible game against Alabama that JH's days as a vol was over at the end of the year.

Sitting out a bowl game is completely different then mid-season such as Hurd. I prefer the Hyatt approach if faced between the two. However some kids still play, some do not. The insurance policies are basically exploitation based on some articles read. So I am not sure what that really means or if it changes anything.

 

[BigALWiLson]

Please explain how much higher rated prospects also ostensibly trying to protect their families so they "have what they need to thrive" chose to play in a meaningless bowl game. And the second part of my question... Are these higher rated prospects also selfish?

Some will play,some won't. Or maybe they got obvious advice barring a career ending injury something minor wouldn't prevent them from guaranteed money. Since they are much higher rated picks solidly in the girst round and Jalin meeds a strong performance at the combine. Every single person's situation is different.

 

[joevols89]

I don't think we'll really miss Hyatt that much tomorrow night. Odd to say that about a 4.29 guy, but I don't think blazing speed was a big factor in all but 2 or 3 of his touchdowns. It was all scheme. I think Squirrel will be just fine. I can't find a 40 time on him but I did see something about being clocked at 23.6 mph via gps (whatever that means) - article said that would put him among the fastest players in the NFL.

I'm just praying Milton has learned to put some air under the deep ball since Vandy.

GBO!

Lol

 

[luthervol]

Read the article by Hooker that was just posted and then ask yourself,

Would Hooker have opted out of the bowl game?

 

[SpookyAction]

I am happy that I am partly responsible for expanding your vocabulary to include words you are so impressed with you lay those new words in your very next response. But I choose to uplift and not tear down. Stating facts about someone quitting (instead of making it sound better by labeling it opting out) is not tearing down. It's calling something what it is.

You insult a member and claim to uplift the conversation in the next sentence.
You opinion is a fact. You say he quit. I don't deny they quit, but I can't disagree with their decision.

My opinion is the players with 1st or 2nd round Draft Evaluations have an understandable reason to quit at this point.
Is it unfair to their team? Yes it is.
Is it causing the college post season to lose its luster. Yes it is.
Is it putting the team in a bind before the season ends. Yes it is.
I have incredible respect for these guys with high draft evals playing their post season games. I am also on edge about their health and safety and the possible consequences of something going terribly wrong on the field for them.

This drivel is riddled with assumptions. It is how a guilty child acts when an adult confronts them. They lash out with unsubstantiated personal attacks. But this is not surprising because it's so prevalent in the time we find ourselves. All over a disagreement on words. I don't know you and certainly won't condemn you because you are well within your rights to do so. But I am also well within my right to disagree with your approach.

You are lacking self-awareness at every turn here. You call another member's metaphor drivel, then complain about people making personal attacks that are just a sign of the times. With zero sense of your own words to be seen.

 

[BigALWiLson]

Read the article by Hooker that was just posted and then ask yourself,

Would Hooker have opted out of the bowl game?

If Hooker plays I believe they all do except Banks

 

[rocytop2624]

If Hyatt was my son, I would look at the long term picture and urge him to sit out the Bowl Game.
As a huge fan of UT, I hate it, but I can't push for anyone to risk 1st round money for one last game.
If he was projected for the 3rd round, I would urge him to stay and improve his draft stock, but that is not the case.

He is projected 50th best player. So late 2nd to 3rd round.

 

[BigALWiLson]

He is projected 50th best player. So late 2nd to 3rd round.

He has a chance at the first round but it is hoing to depend on how he looks and performs at the combine. Jalin is also a very humble kid and speaks well. That will serve him well in interviews with coaches and gms

 

[rocytop2624]

So you're a hypocrite too? Good job.

Being on a sports team is in no way comparable to working at a job.

 

[rocytop2624]

Sitting out because you might get injured is fascinating to me, as an argument, because if you accept it as a premise then you should be equally fine with a player sitting out in any situation where it applies.

So, a player who's projected to go in the draft would be okay sitting out the CFP championship game, or a conference championship game, or all of them, and so on. If you really don't have any problem with them sitting out, then it should be fine for them to sit out no matter what. You should more or less advocate it, really, as it will always be the optimal choice for an individual seeking to maximize profit in that setting.

I wonder how fans in general would accept that, or what that would do to the game at that point. And what the implications would be for the sport. Maybe any college sport. If you're projected as a first round NBA prospect, you probably shouldn't play in the NCAA tournament, either.

Could you imagine them sitting out the Bama game or Georgia game or both because they don't want to get hurt for the NFL.

 

[SpookyAction]

He is projected 50th best player. So late 2nd to 3rd round.

True.
I really expect his intelligence and personality to have a positive effect on his draft grades due to the psych and intelligence tests connected to the Combine.

Being on a sports team is in no way comparable to working at a job.

Very true, but for players heading to the NFL, it is the beginning of their primary career (hopefully, of course).

 

[Good2bavol]

Choosing to not play, for whatever reason (even valid reasons such as Draft stock), is quitting. There is a game still to be played and he has chosen to quit. I don't necessarily blame him but I think it's a bad trend developing in CFB. It won't be long until players are sitting out regular season games.

As Vince said:
“Winners never quit and quitters never win.” – Vince Lombardi

“Once you learn to quit, it becomes a habit.” – Vince Lombardi

 

[vols40]

You insult a member and claim to uplift the conversation in the next sentence.
You opinion is a fact. You say he quit. I don't deny they quit, but I can't disagree with their decision.

My opinion is the players with 1st or 2nd round Draft Evaluations have an understandable reason to quit at this point.
Is it unfair to their team? Yes it is.
Is it causing the college post season to lose its luster. Yes it is.
Is it putting the team in a bind before the season ends. Yes it is.
I have incredible respect for these guys with high draft evals playing their post season games. I am also on edge about their health and safety and the possible consequences of something going terribly wrong on the field for them.


You are lacking self-awareness at every turn here. You call another member's metaphor drivel, then complain about people making personal attacks that are just a sign of the times. With zero sense of your own words to be seen.

Calling a person's personal attack drivel is not an insult. Especially when that response is filled with childish attacks. His response to my statement about Hyatt quitting was an attempt to get a response but espousing personal attacks because he did not approve of my choice of words (quit vs opt-out.) I appreciate your comment as we agree on several things. But respectfully spare me with the self-awareness lecture. I knew exactly what I was responding to.

 

[vols40]

Read the article by Hooker that was just posted and then ask yourself,

Would Hooker have opted out of the bowl game?

Get ready for the "opt-outs" crowd to give you the how dare you hypocrite comments.

 

[NCFisher]

I didn't say he didn't quit. I said people who who are using it in a negative connotation are likely classic low achievers. Quitting to move to better things is not a negative.

You admitted you've quit jobs. If you've got a problem with Hyatt doing it to better himself, that's you being a hypocrite.

That right there.
Call it what you want, but if you're using it to smear the guy's character, then don't be coy about it. @vols40

Again we agree. But however he came to his decision doesn't change the fact that he quit before the season was done.

The season is done once the schedule is played out. The season is extended IF you win your division and play for conference title, and then IF you get a playoff spot; that's what guys play for, not a consolation bowl game. An elective bowl game in which none of that is on the line, is next year's winter practice and exhibition, and better spent - win or lose - on developing the guys who'll be on next year's squad and not those OPTING - yes, OPTING, OPTING - for the NFL. Bowls are fan-fun, player-fun, but mostly school and network revenue fun.

Early signing even diminishes bowl games as recruiting tools - our class is basically done, those guys signed on the recruiting expertise of the staff and our regular season performance. Hyatt is known quantity and being drafted high on that basis; he risks only downside in a meaningless bowl game. CJH not only discusses pro-bound players prospects with them but bring in 3rd party advisers to give players the most sober assessment of their opportunity. That type program will flourish in the new collegiate era because parents and players know if you don't care enough about me individually to do that, then your words about 'team' are self-serving.

 

[BigALWiLson]

As Vince said:
“Winners never quit and quitters never win.” – Vince Lombardi

“Once you learn to quit, it becomes a habit.” – Vince Lombardi

Funny quotes considering he coached professional athletes who are paid game checks to play. Under an actual contract. Like it or not college kids are still considered amateurs. NIL is good but no where near an NFL contract level good.