Hypothetically if this country split agreed to split into two countries...

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85SugarVol said:
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Ashevolle said:
What makes you think it would be an even split. Most of the money and industry is in the democratic states.

How rich is each US state? | Chamber of Commerce
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Hmm this is very interesting, so I’ve done a little research myself.

Black Population by State - BlackDemographics.com

Why is the percentage of black people in predominantly democrat controlled state’s smaller then republicans controlled states?

Why are black people in these predominantly white democrat controlled states placed in poor inner city neighborhoods without much investment from the predominantly rich old white democrats?
 
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85SugarVol said:
You believe military personnel would evenly split between progressive and conservative?
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I didn't say that. I'm only saying physical assets would be split evenly. You can't force conservative/libertarian to want to by a citizen of the new progressive nation or vice versa. Both nations military members will come from their citizen population not the opposite.
 
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BreatheUT said:
I didn't say that. I'm only saying physical assets would be split evenly. You can't force conservative/libertarian to want to by a citizen of the new progressive nation or vice versa. Both nations military members will come from their citizen population not the opposite.
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I understand your position. Physical assets, for sure could be split evenly.

Actual people wouldn’t (and shouldn’t) split evenly down the middle.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Would never work. Every hamplanet liberal I know bitches about racism endlessly and always moves to the whitest of white gentrified areas where they then vote for things like enforced "diversity", public housing, higher taxes, needle programs, etc. and make those areas needlessly ****** before they bail for the next area to ruin because they only rent.
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My favorite is complaining loudly about housing costs, then complain even louder when the big new development in the neighborhood ends up being new houses or apartments.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I understand your position. Physical assets, for sure could be split evenly.

Actual people wouldn’t (and shouldn’t) split evenly down the middle.
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For the record, I think the progressive nation military would struggle with enlistment.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
Why are black people in these predominantly white democrat controlled states placed in poor inner city neighborhoods without much investment from the predominantly rich old white democrats?
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Million dollar question. Over time you either see this as what it is and change or keep voting it in. Common sense is walking outside your door and realizing the view still looks the same 40 years later of voting the same party in.
 
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I'm the one setting up the premises of these two nations. The idea is the land is equally split, beaches, mountains, etc. There are no - you got more than we did - debate about these partisan decsions. Both will have big cities and small towns, can set up states. Some things would just be a given.

The only difference is one would be conservative. The other would be progressive. Both would follow the same goals of the two major parties. Each individual "citizen" will decide which country they want to be part of. Illegals will be sent back to home country or accepted as part of the country under presidential administration when they first entered. Once you decide your country, then you cannot change and would have to follow the laws of immigrating to the other country they've set in place.

The progressive country would be able to replace the police, have an open border policy, teach whatever they want in secondary education, have a victim class, have high taxes for the government to use as the see fit , kowtow to Europe and China etc and probably change from a republic to a voting democracy.
 
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I am open to change this thread to a poll. Again everything is split even. The only thing is citizens get to choose which country, but the overall policy positions stay with the countries of choice. There's no chance of becoming the opposite in 10 years. Where are you moving and what's a reason for becoming a citizen of one nation but not the other.
 
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BreatheUT said:
I'm the one setting up the premises of these two nations. The idea is the land is equally split, beaches, mountains, etc. There are no - you got more than we did - debate about these partisan decsions. Both will have big cities and small towns, can set up states. Some things would just be a given.

The only difference is one would be conservative. The other would be progressive. Both would follow the same goals of the two major parties. Each individual "citizen" will decide which country they want to be part of. Illegals will be sent back to home country or accepted as part of the country under presidential administration when they first entered. Once you decide your country, then you cannot change and would have to follow the laws of immigrating to the other country they've set in place.

The progressive country would be able to replace the police, have an open border policy, teach whatever they want in secondary education, have a victim class, have high taxes for the government to use as the see fit , kowtow to Europe and China etc and probably change from a republic to a voting democracy.
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Basically the script used for Back To The Future 2 when Biff stole the Almanac and Delorian and went back to 1955 to give young Biff to use for betting.

End result was crime and chaos.
 
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BreatheUT said:
I am open to change this thread to a poll. Again everything is split even. The only thing is citizens get to choose which country, but the overall policy positions stay with the countries of choice. There's no chance of becoming the opposite in 10 years. Where are you moving and what's a reason for becoming a citizen of one nation but not the other.
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If you changed to a poll, would you consider a third option? I imagine that there are a number of people here that are not enamored with a two party/conservative, progressive only choice.
 
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How desperately some want to run away and not seek mutually beneficial dialogue.

Compromise means accepting part of what the other side of the table wants so that you can get part of what you want.

Our Founding Fathers must be rolling in their graves at **** like this.
 
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AshG said:
How desperately some want to run away and not seek mutually beneficial dialogue.

Compromise means accepting part of what the other side of the table wants so that you can get part of what you want.

Our Founding Fathers must be rolling in their graves at **** like this.
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What I can't understand is why anyone wants more central control and an omnipotent federal government. I find that there isn't enough common ground to even begin a dialogue with people like that.
 
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AshG said:
How desperately some want to run away and not seek mutually beneficial dialogue.

Compromise means accepting part of what the other side of the table wants so that you can get part of what you want.

Our Founding Fathers must be rolling in their graves at **** like this.
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There's no mutually beneficial dialogue to be had with people who diametrically oppose each other's core values. It'd be better to get in front of the problem, than left scrambling when this nation implodes from within. This specific scenario isn't realistic though. Splitting the nation in 5, with a universal currency and an EU like representative board would be best. Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves over the power the federal government has taken. They would love the decentralization of power and the break up of our tyrannical overlords.
 
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hog88 said:
What I can't understand is why anyone wants more central control and an omnipotent federal government. I find that there isn't enough common ground to even begin a dialogue with people like that.
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Have you tried to have a conversation (outside of here) with someone who is fundamentally different in belief than you?

There will always be common ground. We just have to be steadfast enough to find it.
 
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AshG said:
Have you tried to have a conversation (outside of here) with someone who is fundamentally different in belief than you?

There will always be common ground. We just have to be steadfast enough to find it.
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Not that I recall. I deal with some real far left wackos but I keep politics out of business discussions (although I do think I was awarded 1 contract because I voted for Jill Stein) and in my personal life I just don't have any people like that in my small circle.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
I don't think we need to split. I think we (the states) need to take back the power.
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I absolutely agree that is what should happen but I think it will take bloodshed for it to happen. Most likely the charade ends and we fall under a 1 party authoritarian regime for awhile until there is a civil war. Either that or we balkanize. I just don't see the federal government peacefully ceding power.
 
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I sincerely believe that if you boiled down everything you can think of on both major divisions, you'd find the following to be in common:
  • A desire to be treated with dignity
  • A desire to be able to achieve the promise of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness
  • A desire for self determination
There's likely more, as I'm just thinking off the cuff right now. I believe these are solid places to start.

What does it mean for you to be treated with dignity? Does your dignity look the same as it does for another person?

What do you need to work towards life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Why do you believe that? What do you believe holds you back? Why do you believe that? What experiences formed those beliefs?

What do you need in order to be self-deterministic? Why do you need that?

So many simple places to start the conversation, but we've forgotten how to listen because we're too busy shouting.
 
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