Hypothetically if this country split agreed to split into two countries...

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As a heterosexual White male I'd have to go conservative. I'd be a target for hate in the progressive country, probably labeled a criminal, be forced to do some Logans Run type sh!t. In the conservative country I would have to worry about that and any social regression would always still be in my favor, get to own a gun, watch football, own property. Win/Win.




And lets be real.. we would have the stronger/better military and would just take over the progressive country so fast it would make Saddam Husseins head spin in its grave.
 
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AshG said:
I sincerely believe that if you boiled down everything you can think of on both major divisions, you'd find the following to be in common:
  • A desire to be treated with dignity
  • A desire to be able to achieve the promise of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness
  • A desire for self determination
There's likely more, as I'm just thinking off the cuff right now. I believe these are solid places to start.

What does it mean for you to be treated with dignity? Does your dignity look the same as it does for another person?

What do you need to work towards life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Why do you believe that? What do you believe holds you back? Why do you believe that? What experiences formed those beliefs?

What do you need in order to be self-deterministic? Why do you need that?

So many simple places to start the conversation, but we've forgotten how to listen because we're too busy shouting.
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You can make it more simplistic. Step 1. Don't be an assh@le. Step 2. Mind your own business. If more people did that things would be better everywhere. But due to human nature there is always going to be some c##t who is willing to be that assh@le for a power grab.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Let's keep it civil.

No need to argue in the thread or be offended my someone else's opinion.
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We have a system. Is it a good system? No. Does it advance healthy dialogue? No. But, does it help us understand different points of view? Also, no.

But it is OUR system and you ain't changing it.
 
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I would want to live in the conservative part of the country because there would be less repression of people who disagree and less hatred of Christian, white, heterosexual men.

However, the left's destruction of the foundations of any society that it touches is so relentless that I don't expect that conservative part of the country would remain conservative very long. The camel's nose (actually, a herd of camels) would be under the tent before the ink is dry on the separation agreement.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
Hmm this is very interesting, so I’ve done a little research myself.

Black Population by State - BlackDemographics.com

Why is the percentage of black people in predominantly democrat controlled state’s smaller then republicans controlled states?

Why are black people in these predominantly white democrat controlled states placed in poor inner city neighborhoods without much investment from the predominantly rich old white democrats?
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And what answer did your research give you?
 
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VolFaninFla said:
I would not want either but would likely lean to the conservative side.
It would be great if there was a third option where those of us who prefer a more balanced world could live.
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Even if this thread is based on absurd hypotheticals, it wont happen. The "I didn't get my way in the last election, so burn down the village," crowd grows larger every day.
 
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If option 1 is be ruled by the left, and option 2 is be ruled by the right, I'd pick option 3, where the people we elect represent us and don't try to rule us.
 
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Maybe the conservative side as long as the conservatives in question weren’t a bunch of theocratic busybodies.

Maybe the liberal side if the liberals in question don’t parade around in Che t-shirts while spouting nonsense about revolution.
 
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AshG said:
How desperately some want to run away and not seek mutually beneficial dialogue.

Compromise means accepting part of what the other side of the table wants so that you can get part of what you want.

Our Founding Fathers must be rolling in their graves at **** like this.
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I think all opportunities to have mutually beneficial dialogue have been exhausted. I'm all for diplomacy and dialogue. But when you have a dishonest negotiator across the table from you, its bad enough. But as we've seen over the last 2 years, the person across the table from you wants to ruin your livelihood, liberties and wants you dead... its time to walk away.
 
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Ttucke11 said:
There's no mutually beneficial dialogue to be had with people who diametrically oppose each other's core values. It'd be better to get in front of the problem, than left scrambling when this nation implodes from within. This specific scenario isn't realistic though. Splitting the nation in 5, with a universal currency and an EU like representative board would be best. Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves over the power the federal government has taken. They would love the decentralization of power and the break up of our tyrannical overlords.
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Wait... how would we be able to escape these liberal areas money printing and increasing budgets/spending? That would be inflationary.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
Democrats are racist
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All 160,000,000 of them?

Interesting that senate Republicans unanimously opposed the 2021 voting right act which would have made illegal voting rules that discriminate on the basis of race.
 
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AshG said:
Have you tried to have a conversation (outside of here) with someone who is fundamentally different in belief than you?

There will always be common ground. We just have to be steadfast enough to find it.
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I'm fully aware that in general, we all have more in common with each other. I finally came to that realization 8-10 years ago.

I just think that you are going to find it difficult to reach that level of thinking from most people (whether on the right or left side of the aisle).
 
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Sandman 423 said:
I don't think we need to split. I think we (the states) need to take back the power.
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COVID has inadvertently moved the wheels in that direction. Give credit where credit is due, but by Trump NOT being more involved and allowing the states/governors to make all of these decisions, I think it has emboldened and empowered some of these governors to be far more aggressive and has actually elevated the position in the eyes of the public. Thanks to COVID, many of these governors are household names now. In February 2020, would the average American have been able to name the governor of Florida or Texas, much less South Dakota?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I think all opportunities to have mutually beneficial dialogue has been exhausted. I'm all for diplomacy and dialogue. But when you have a dishonest negotiator across the table from you, its bad enough. But as we've seen over the last 2 years, the person across the table from you wants to ruin your livelihood, liberties and wants you dead... its time to walk away.
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And this is precisely why I'm done having patience with anyone on the left.

Between leftists openly threatening my wife on Facebook for not posting BLM ******** during the Floyd incident, to their desire to track and tax all I do, to the outright hostility they display to people that don't toe corporate lines, I'm done. There's no living with them anymore. So I'm not.
 
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AshG said:
I sincerely believe that if you boiled down everything you can think of on both major divisions, you'd find the following to be in common:
  • A desire to be treated with dignity
  • A desire to be able to achieve the promise of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness
  • A desire for self determination.
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Meh, I agree to the last two, but the first one is too touchy-feely and really isn't completely tangible.
 
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Instead of splitting the country why not just limit the power of government so power can be held at most local level. As centralized power has grown so has division.
 
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Ashevolle said:
All 160,000,000 of them?

Interesting that senate Republicans unanimously opposed the 2021 voting right act which would have made illegal voting rules that discriminate on the basis of race.
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No. Probably only about 98%

We have already have a voting act from 1965 that makes it illegal to discriminate on the basis of race. Why do we need another one?
 
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Freiwillige said:
I would want to live in the conservative part of the country because there would be less repression of people who disagree and less hatred of Christian, white, heterosexual men.

However, the left's destruction of the foundations of any society that it touches is so relentless that I don't expect that conservative part of the country would remain conservative very long. The camel's nose (actually, a herd of camels) would be under the tent before the ink is dry on the separation agreement.
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Are you implying that conservatism promotes the acceptance of people who disagree with the ideology, and a collective tolerance of people who oppose any such political agenda which may arise from conservative ideals?

Are you also suggesting that the Republican Party strives for diversity and inclusion, rather than homogeneity?
 
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I'm for the country where people live their lives in such a way that there is hardly any need for government.
 
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