I am Tired of Reading and Hearing About Obama's Inexperience, I am Also Tire of It In

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#54
Saddam was a bad man, but we don't have the right to invade every country where a dictator does bad things to his own people. God did not make us the police force of the world. The GOP used to preach that before Bush became president. In fact, Bush ran in 2000 with a pledge not to become a nation-builder. He has all but destroyed the GOP and most Republicans know it.
 
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Justthrowtheball said:
Saddam was a bad man, but we don't have the right to invade every country where a dictator does bad things to his own people. God did not make us the police force of the world. The GOP used to preach that before Bush became president. In fact, Bush ran in 2000 with a pledge not to become a nation-builder. He has all but destroyed the GOP and most Republicans know it.
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In the end that is a good thing because people are tired of the establishment wing of the GOP!
 
#56
#56
I'll take it one step farther, I don't think we have the right to tell another nation they can't develop nuclear energy! If they are a sovereign nation with the rule of law and elections... we do not have the right to demand anything of them except they don't attack our nation!
 
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Justthrowtheball said:
I'll take it one step farther, I don't think we have the right to tell another nation they can't develop nuclear energy! If they are a sovereign nation with the rule of law and elections... we do not have the right to demand anything of them except they don't attack our nation!
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How do you accomplish that?
 
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Justthrowtheball said:
I am a former officer and my son is a 2004 USMA (i.e. West Point) graduate and has a bronze star. He spent 15 months in Iraq and our cousin is on his 4th tour in Iraq. There is no war on Terror... it has been a war against Saddam and a war against Al qaeda but not a "War on Terror." You can't fight a war against a "method." That's like saying I am fighting a war on crime. There will always be crime, you can't defeat crime or terrorism but you can defeat a man or woman who commits crimes. It is a stupid play on words that the Bush administration has used repeatedly to justify their actions. The war plans to invade Iraq began before 9-11.
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Absolutely correct, probably after the 20 or so times Sadaam thumbed his nose at the sanctions imposed on him after invading a sovereign nation.
 
#59
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If it were not for the fact that there is OIL in the middle east, we would not even care what happens in that part of the world! McCain admitted as much in a speech in January of this year. Either way, it is not worth the life of my son, my cousin, or any other brave American!
 
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#60
Do you believe the same about South America with regards to natural resources??????????

Also, are you an isolationists?
 
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Justthrowtheball said:
I'll take it one step farther, I don't think we have the right to tell another nation they can't develop nuclear energy! If they are a sovereign nation with the rule of law and elections... we do not have the right to demand anything of them except they don't attack our nation!
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Just for clarification..... You believe Iran has legitimate elections?
 
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As a former soldier and the father of a Captain in the Army, I hate war! However, I know that war is and must be the final act of diplomacy. The problem with the Bush Administration is that they used war as the first or second phase of diplomacy and seldom used diplomacy as a serious option. In the future, we should adhere to President Eisenhower's advice...
 
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Justthrowtheball said:
As a former soldier and the father of a Captain in the Army, I hate war! However, I know that war is and must be the final act of diplomacy. The problem with the Bush Administration is that they used war as the first or second phase of diplomacy and seldom used diplomacy as a serious option. In the future, we should adhere to President Eisenhower's advice...
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I prefer Teddy Roosevelt.

:hi:
 
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Justthrowtheball said:
I am a former officer and my son is a 2004 USMA (i.e. West Point) graduate and has a bronze star. He spent 15 months in Iraq and our cousin is on his 4th tour in Iraq.
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thank you and your son for your service, i have a lot of respect for the military. i almost joined the marines out of hs. this is bout 4 months before 9/11, but i wanted to play ball more, and had several offers to play college ball.
 
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Justthrowtheball said:
As a former soldier and the father of a Captain in the Army, I hate war! However, I know that war is and must be the final act of diplomacy. The problem with the Bush Administration is that they used war as the first or second phase of diplomacy and seldom used diplomacy as a serious option. In the future, we should adhere to President Eisenhower's advice...
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What about the Truman Doctrine?
 
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Justthrowtheball said:
As a former soldier and the father of a Captain in the Army, I hate war! However, I know that war is and must be the final act of diplomacy. The problem with the Bush Administration is that they used war as the first or second phase of diplomacy and seldom used diplomacy as a serious option. In the future, we should adhere to President Eisenhower's advice...
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Diplomacy did not work in Iraq for over 8 years. What would lead anyone to think things would change?

For the record I think Bush made many errors, some of his own doing and others because he listened to those around him but Iraq is a situation that that I believe could have been avoided by Sadaam but he chose to bring it to a head. There has to be consequences for actions.
 
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KB5252 said:
Just for clarification..... You believe Iran has legitimate elections?
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I don't really know... but I do struggle with that debate. Iran is a sovereign nation... that's the bottom line. If we knew for sure, they would use a nuke against Israel we should provide that INTEL to Israel and allow them the honor... They can't attack us, they have no delivery system and I seriously doubt they would provide the raw materials or finished product to a rouge organization to attack us. We live in a dangerous world of our on creation. The advent of both chemical weapons and atomic power is of our own design. Once Pandora's box was opened, it was only a matter of time until all the players in the world have the technology.
 
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JZVOL said:
What about the Truman Doctrine?
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That applied to Communism and the spread of Communism. Vietnam was a huge mistake. We now know that but at the time we were afraid of the big red bear! The War on Terror is real in the sense that we do have criminals who want to do us harm but it does not rise to the level of the Cold War because none of these people RUN OTHER COUNTRIES!

Saddam had nothing to do with 911 and the US has defied many UN demands but most folks don't know that.
 
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Justthrowtheball said:
I don't really know... but I do struggle with that debate. Iran is a sovereign nation... that's the bottom line. If we knew for sure, they would use a nuke against Israel we should provide that INTEL to Israel and allow them the honor... They can't attack us, they have no delivery system and I seriously doubt they would provide the raw materials or finished product to a rouge organization to attack us. We live in a dangerous world of our on creation. The advent of both chemical weapons and atomic power is of our own design. Once Pandora's box was opened, it was only a matter of time until all the players in the world have the technology.
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And thats Bush's or the Repub's fault?
 
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