I am Tired of Reading and Hearing About Obama's Inexperience, I am Also Tire of It In

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Justthrowtheball said:
I don't really know... but I do struggle with that debate. Iran is a sovereign nation... that's the bottom line. If we knew for sure, they would use a nuke against Israel we should provide that INTEL to Israel and allow them the honor... They can't attack us, they have no delivery system and I seriously doubt they would provide the raw materials or finished product to a rouge organization to attack us. We live in a dangerous world of our on creation. The advent of both chemical weapons and atomic power is of our own design. Once Pandora's box was opened, it was only a matter of time until all the players in the world have the technology.
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If Iran knew we would not back Israel they would they would have ceased to exist a long time ago.
With I ran as far as Israel is concerned it is not a matter of if but when, and we as a free nation should back them as they need us even if it involves military participation, and yes, I would gladly give my life in that conflict if need be.

Atomic is our doing, all chemical programs are traced back in a large part to Nazi Germany.
 
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Justthrowtheball said:
That applied to Communism and the spread of Communism. Vietnam was a huge mistake. We now know that but at the time we were afraid of the big red bear! The War on Terror is real in the sense that we do have criminals who want to do us harm but it does not rise to the level of the Cold War because none of these people RUN OTHER COUNTRIES!

Saddam had nothing to do with 911 and the US has defied many UN demands but most folks don't know that.
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I am aware of that but I'm using that as an example that Bush isn't some random example of using force for containment.

So what? We have every right to go after a nation harboring any of these people plain and simple.
 
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Justthrowtheball said:
That applied to Communism and the spread of Communism. Vietnam was a huge mistake. We now know that but at the time we were afraid of the big red bear! The War on Terror is real in the sense that we do have criminals who want to do us harm but it does not rise to the level of the Cold War because none of these people RUN OTHER COUNTRIES!

Saddam had nothing to do with 911 and the US has defied many UN demands but most folks don't know that.
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You are correct and incorrect. While the figure heads we know as Islamo terrorists do not run these countries in many cases they are controlled by the terrorist element, scared to enrage or defy the terrorists.
 
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Justthrowtheball said:
That applied to Communism and the spread of Communism. Vietnam was a huge mistake. We now know that but at the time we were afraid of the big red bear! The War on Terror is real in the sense that we do have criminals who want to do us harm but it does not rise to the level of the Cold War because none of these people RUN OTHER COUNTRIES!

Saddam had nothing to do with 911 and the US has defied many UN demands but most folks don't know that.
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You're right Russia never bombed U.S. soil.
 
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JZVOL said:
And thats Bush's or the Repub's fault?
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I blame Bush for going to war based on outright lies or faulty INTEL. We should have pursued Osama and left Iraq alone because they had nothing to do with Al Qaeda. The 911 Commission and later the Bush administration admitted as much...

When Bush did go in... he went in with too few troops to secure the country and prevent the aftermath.
 
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Justthrowtheball said:
I blame Bush for going to war based on outright lies or faulty INTEL. We should have pursued Osama and left Iraq alone because they had nothing to do with Al Qaeda. The 911 Commission and later the Bush administration admitted as much...

When Bush did go in... he went in with too few troops to secure the country and prevent the aftermath.
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Good job answering a question I didn't ask.
 
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Justthrowtheball said:
I blame Bush for going to war based on outright lies or faulty INTEL. We should have pursued Osama and left Iraq alone because they had nothing to do with Al Qaeda. The 911 Commission and later the Bush administration admitted as much...

When Bush did go in... he went in with too few troops to secure the country and prevent the aftermath.
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are you serious? :good!: keep drinking that move on coolaid.
 
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JZVOL said:
I am aware of that but I'm using that as an example that Bush isn't some random example of using force for containment.

So what? We have every right to go after a nation harboring any of these people plain and simple.
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No... that's what sovereignty is all about. We can request the help of those nations but we can't invade or attack any nation we chose. If you're right, why haven't we invaded Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Yemen, or the Arab Emirates?
 
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As a student of international politics back in the 70's, I understood the Cold War Era... granted, this is something new. However, this administration has turned friends into enemies because we were so arrogant as to believe we were justified in doing whatever we wanted in the name of fighting terrorism. The truth is all nations have the right of self-determination. Even those whose form of government and religious dogma is very different from ours. Muslim states also have the right of self-rule... even if they do not adhere to our western standards. We can't force Democracy on the world! That was one of the many lessons we failed to learn from VIETNAM!
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
palin is so fine. she wants to drill in alaska and i want to drill....that's as far as i'll go w/ that
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:eek:lol: Every time I see her picture it excites me to think of looking at her the next four years instead of Barack.
 
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Justthrowtheball said:
As a student of international politics back in the 70's, I understood the Cold War Era... granted, this is something new. However, this administration has turned friends into enemies because we were so arrogant as to believe we were justified in doing whatever we wanted in the name of fighting terrorism. The truth is all nations have the right of self-determination. Even those whose form of government and religious dogma is very different from ours. Muslim states also have the right of self-rule... even if they do not adhere to our western standards. We can't force Democracy on the world! That was one of the many lessons we failed to learn from VIETNAM!
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Whew...... this explains every thing.......
 
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Vol Mania 21 said:
no doubt, she'll get a lot more men and i guess some females interested in politics
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I wouldn't count on that. If anything she'll have the opposite affect on females, especially those that supported Hillary. She may get a few, but not very many. I think most Hillary supporters view it as a slap in the face to think they would vote for her just because she is a female.
 
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Her lack of experience in politics has never been the issue. Numerous people have run for office with little political experience based on accomplisments in other areas, such as business, academics, finance etc.

It's her lack of accomplishments in any area. She's been a governor for less then 2 years and mayor of a town of 5000.
 
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onevolfan said:
I wouldn't count on that. If anything she'll have the opposite affect on females, especially those that supported Hillary. She may get a few, but not very many. I think most Hillary supporters view it as a slap in the face to think they would vote for her just because she is a female.
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wow lighten up, you didn't get the joke
 
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oklavol said:
Her lack of experience in politics has never been the issue. Numerous people have run for office with little political experience based on accomplisments in other areas, such as business, academics, finance etc.

It's her lack of accomplishments in any area. She's been a governor for less then 2 years and mayor of a town of 5000.
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and please list obama's accomplishments, and being a teacher doesn't count
 
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oklavol said:
Her lack of experience in politics has never been the issue. Numerous people have run for office with little political experience based on accomplisments in other areas, such as business, academics, finance etc.

It's her lack of accomplishments in any area. She's been a governor for less then 2 years and mayor of a town of 5000.
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SO WHAT? what were John Edwards' accomplishments? for that matter, what were Al Gore's?
 
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