I cannot believe what I just watched

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Amb3096 said:
As long as Holly continues to roll with Carter/Reynolds, Tennessee will roll right out of the NCAAT in the first week.

I have no idea why she relied so heavily on them. Reynolds had a few good games in a row, but has been mostly bad. Carter has sucked all year. But yet they still get big time minutes. Makes no sense...
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Because that was the starting backcourt for a team that won 30 games, won an SEC regular season, and went to an Elite Eight last year....
 
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tonybologna said:
DeShields needs to go? Well, you might get your wish after the season when she transfers to another school because of this garbage. She's our best overall player dude! Can you not see that? If we didn't have her on this team we would be under .500 & no chance for the NCAA tourney. Wake the crap up!
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maybe she pulls a Hopson and opts for the pro draft
 
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Darth_Vol said:
Because that was the starting backcourt for a team that won 30 games, won an SEC regular season, and went to an Elite Eight last year....
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You forgot Massengale. You know, the only one of the three that could run the offense, pass into the post, and hit three pointers.

But if you choose to believe that Carter and Reynolds are good players, then good for you.
 
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Amb3096 said:
You forgot Massengale. You know, the only one of the three that could run the offense, pass into the post, and hit three pointers.

But if you choose to believe that Carter and Reynolds are good players, then good for you.
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Massengale wasn't a regular starter until Izzy was injured.

I didn't voice an opinion on Carter and Reynolds one way or the other, just pointing out what Tennessee was able to accomplish with those useless players starting last year while you continue to pile on them for this team's woes....
 
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Darth_Vol said:
Massengale wasn't a regular starter until Izzy was injured.

I didn't voice an opinion on Carter and Reynolds one way or the other, just pointing out what Tennessee was able to accomplish with those useless players starting last year while you continue to pile on them for this team's woes....
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Massengale was playing starter minutes, though. She was getting more minutes than Reynolds. Once Burdick's game started to click after 10 or so games, those two largely carried the team once Izzy went out. There is no one on the current team that is able to consistently hit the mid-range jumper and the long ball like those two could. They had more to do with the team's success IMO than Carter/Reynolds.

While I am not shy to point out how much Carter/Reynolds suck, it's made worse by the fact that Holly is an awful coach. Combine those 2 facts, and you have a 16-11 team that was preseason #3.
 
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tonybologna said:
Player's postgame reaction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy_Tww6o4jo

DeShields you can see the absolute frustration on her face. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see her transfer again. I wouldn't blame her either. Holly doesn't treat her fairly when it comes to how she plays with her minutes given on the court. Seems she has a short leash for DeShields over most other players. How can that be for your best overall player? Makes no sense whatsoever!

Diamond is our best player without question but she's always looking over her shoulder to be taken out of the game for her mistakes when the rest of the girls do the same thing. I'd trust Diamond with the ball in her hands anyday over any other player that we have. Holly won't let her be! :unsure:
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Have you had a chance to count her turnovers ?? That's why her minutes decreased .
The one thing holly did do well today was jerk deshields when those TO began. I think that put the fire in her for the rest of the game which she played very well !
 
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1985Vols said:
As bad of a coach as Holly is, you can't coach stupid and the plays , or lack thereof , that our players made today in the last 30 seconds made me feel sorry for Holly. If the missed FT's weren't bad enough, fouling LSU up 1 with 4 seconds to go was just plain STUPID!
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The complete mess that is the Lady Vols team of today has absolutely been coached that way by Warlick! Their mistakes, their horrible FT shooting, lack of enthusiasm, lack of motivation is present because of the incompetence of CHW, period. A head coach, a good one anyway, is supposed to inspire, supposed to take that raw potential of a player and work and teach them to be better and hopefully go to the next level. They're supposed to see and encourage the strengths of a player and also work with them on their weaknesses. These young LV players are getting worse under Warlick and that's inexcusable!
 
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orangealways said:
Have you had a chance to count her turnovers ?? That's why her minutes decreased .
The one thing holly did do well today was jerk deshields when those TO began. I think that put the fire in her for the rest of the game which she played very well !
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I've seen many teams with great players that turn the ball over or make bad mistakes in games, but those players are kept in. An example is Epps for Kentucky. She makes some pretty terrible mistakes in games, but Coach Mitchell keeps her in and sure enough, she starts getting into a rhythm and at times, takes over a game. That shows that the coach has faith in her and that motivates her to do better for her team. With this Lady Vol team, especially DeShields, I don't see the coach having faith in them or motivating them like a good head coach should. They don't seem to be having fun at all, it's sad.
 
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508mikey said:
maybe she pulls a Hopson and opts for the pro draft
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She'll opt for somewhere else all right. It probably won't be UT!

orangealways said:
Have you had a chance to count her turnovers ?? That's why her minutes decreased .
The one thing holly did do well today was jerk deshields when those TO began. I think that put the fire in her for the rest of the game which she played very well !
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Is she still not our best overall player? Why can't some people get that through their thick skulls? She's going to have turnovers. She makes plays. Did you see how fast she went by the entire LSU players on the court today with just her dribble?

She's going to make way more plays than she does turnovers given the chance. Don't the other girls make just as many or more turnovers than DeShields? Yes they do!

Carter is also bad with turnovers along with Russell but they don't get yanked when they do it. Too many people on here are trying to blame our best player for our problems. Are you kidding me folks? :loco:
 
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Jax_Vol said:
I would kick Diamond off for her post game interview. I think Holly and her both need to go
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Agree 100%. But can DD actually transfer? Wouldn't she have to sit out a year with that being her final year of eligibility?
 
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I strongly suspect that DeShields has been sitting not just because of turnovers and missed shots--of which she's had many--but also her attitude. One thing we know, DD certainly isn't one to pick up her teammates with enthusiasm and energy--just the opposite. She played well yesterday, and of course she is talent: that is not the issue with her.

As for our guards: our guard play is a confused mess. Four guards get various minutes. All, unfortunately, are essentially point guards. They each have strengths and weakness. None of them can really shoot; none of them has been able to run the offense with strength and efficiency, for various reasons--variable playing time, inconsistent play, and the basic fact that our offense stinks. We are late in the season and the coaches seem to have NO IDEA which of them to play---our personnel situation is a disaster.

Amb criticizes Carter and Reynolds--and they no doubt have their issues--but forgets that Reynolds was our best player in a two straight games a week or so ago. I believe that Cooper played 29 minutes yesterday, more than any guard, and was, what, 3-15 from the floor!? Yea, that was a big help! Cooper is a dribble penetrator who's been bad against zone defenses ALL YEAR--she does not shoot well from outside. This might the worst offense in the history of UT basketball--and that is saying something because we've had some pretty ugly offenses over the last 12 years or so. We played a bad team yesterday and had 18 points at the half. We played a good third quarter, but this team has all kinds of issues.
 
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volinbama256 said:
Funny, UT's mens Bball team got beat by the worst team in the SEC as well....Pitiful.
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Yeah, we've crashed hard since that run and season a few years ago with Alcindor & Walton etc. Then coach Wooden retiring was the end of an era. In his 4th year since, look where Barnes has taken us. Pitiful.
 
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orangealways said:
Have you had a chance to count her turnovers ?? That's why her minutes decreased .
The one thing holly did do well today was jerk deshields when those TO began. I think that put the fire in her for the rest of the game which she played very well !
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That's the problem though she jerks Diamond when she makes turnovers but yet she keeps Carter and Reynolds in when they do so. At the end of the game when Carter fouled the girl from LSU why didn't she sub her out? Why didn't she sub Middleton and Dunbar into the game for Graves and Carter (since the two were responsible for trying to steal the ball instead of letting the girl try to dribble it with 3 seconds). Then they inbound the ball to Carter to shoot it 70 feet when she can barely hit an open 3, If you're going to consistently punish one player for doing something, punish them all
 
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armchair said:
I strongly suspect that DeShields has been sitting not just because of turnovers and missed shots--of which she's had many--but also her attitude. One thing we know, DD certainly isn't one to pick up her teammates with enthusiasm and energy--just the opposite. She played well yesterday, and of course she is talent: that is not the issue with her.

As for our guards: our guard play is a confused mess. Four guards get various minutes. All, unfortunately, are essentially point guards. They each have strengths and weakness. None of them can really shoot; none of them has been able to run the offense with strength and efficiency, for various reasons--variable playing time, inconsistent play, and the basic fact that our offense stinks. We are late in the season and the coaches seem to have NO IDEA which of them to play---our personnel situation is a disaster.

Amb criticizes Carter and Reynolds--and they no doubt have their issues--but forgets that Reynolds was our best player in a two straight games a week or so ago. I believe that Cooper played 29 minutes yesterday, more than any guard, and was, what, 3-15 from the floor!? Yea, that was a big help! Cooper is a dribble penetrator who's been bad against zone defenses ALL YEAR--she does not shoot well from outside. This might the worst offense in the history of UT basketball--and that is saying something because we've had some pretty ugly offenses over the last 12 years or so. We played a bad team yesterday and had 18 points at the half. We played a good third quarter, but this team has all kinds of issues.
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That's because Reynolds was playing a slashing role/wing player and not much of the PG which is where she can help us the most. She doesn't look to score as much as she should which hurts us. If she remained committed to that 10 to 15 foot jumper and getting to the lane instead of trying to always get assist we would be better than we are.
 
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#93
Watched the presser too. I agree w above sentiments. Kinda sad in a personal way, even for a person making in the neighborhood of $1m/yr.

It seems apparent that CHW has gotten in over her head. Honestly don't blame her. It happens all the time in the world. I would have taken the job for $1m/yr + benefits, and would have been fired in yr 1. I don't blame her for taking a stab at it. I blame those who offered her the job with not another single interview.

Nevertheless, one thing seems to be absolutely certain. HW is a VFL, or uhhh, LVFL. She should be embraced warmly forever based on her commitment and success as a Vol.

Fans are predictably being rude, crude, an nasty because of the season and desire for change. But, can we not show respect to one of then all time LV greats and chalk up this experiment as a "localized" failure?

Why does one our great players and long term assistants have to be shamed forever because they were put in a place they were not ready for?
 
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livefaith said:
Watched the presser too. I agree w above sentiments. Kinda sad in a personal way, even for a person making in the neighborhood of $1m/yr.

It seems apparent that CHW has gotten in over her head. Honestly don't blame her. It happens all the time in the world. I would have taken the job for $1m/yr + benefits, and would have been fired in yr 1. I don't blame her for taking a stab at it. I blame those who offered her the job with not another single interview.

Nevertheless, one thing seems to be absolutely certain. HW is a VFL, or uhhh, LVFL. She should be embraced warmly forever based on her commitment and success as a Vol.

Fans are predictably being rude, crude, an nasty because of the season and desire for change. But, can we not show respect to one of then all time LV greats and chalk up this experiment as a "localized" failure?

Why does one our great players and long term assistants have to be shamed forever because they were put in a place they were not ready for?
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She is being shamed because she doesn't think there is a problem. Based on yesterday's game there should be a Press Conference this morning with Pat (and AD Hart beside her) where she thanks everyone and announce her resignation starting today and that she is turning things over to Coach Elzy for the rest of the way. Because she is being stubborn and blaming everyone else she is only making it harder on herself and it will only get worst with each loss and imo if we don't win out from here (rest of regular season and the SEC Tournament) we will not make the NCAA's and that will be something else that pisses the fanbase off, she managed to take a preseason Top 5 team and drop them out of the Top 25, have them lose to teams who have never beat us before and other first have been done that has never been done. It will be hard for folk to forgive her for it
 
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mlindsay said:
She is being shamed because she doesn't think there is a problem. Based on yesterday's game there should be a Press Conference this morning with Pat (and AD Hart beside her) where she thanks everyone and announce her resignation starting today and that she is turning things over to Coach Elzy for the rest of the way. Because she is being stubborn and blaming everyone else she is only making it harder on herself and it will only get worst with each loss and imo if we don't win out from here (rest of regular season and the SEC Tournament) we will not make the NCAA's and that will be something else that pisses the fanbase off, she managed to take a preseason Top 5 team and drop them out of the Top 25, have them lose to teams who have never beat us before and other first have been done that has never been done. It will be hard for folk to forgive her for it
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Interesting points..... At the end of the day, the adults in the room are suppose to lead the kids in the room. And watching this team this season and yesterday, it is clear that to me that this is a team that behind closed doors views themselves as equals to their coaches.

Just like people watching that game yesterday know that you don't burn your t.o.'s in the last seconds of the game unless you are down or that you don't leave a player on the floor that shoots 57% from the FT line on the season on the floor in a foul-ing situation when you are up. The players see this and lose respect for you.

Te'a had nobody open on that inbounds late in the game and turned it over and so as the next dead ball, horn and in comes Carter. I replayed that inbounds and nobody made and effort to get open for her. Now you can chalk it up to a freshman not knowing she could have called a t.o. but you can't put it on her when nobody beats their man to get open.

Players will turn the ball over. It happens but when you keep your best player on the bench because she turns the ball over in an offense that has not designed screens or passing lanes, a player will force the ball into places where nobody is, hence a turnover.

It is sad to watch this storied program take such a tumble and then to listen to the HC say that a 57% FT shooter has got to make FTs is bad and the players see that. Russell should have never been in the game in the last 2 minutes to even get fouled. That's why teams like the NBA's Clippers and Pistons will pull Jordan and Drummond out if the game is close late because the opposing team with resort to the hack-a-shaq and send them to the FT line knowing they will miss.
 
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Planner046 said:
I agree it was pitiful lets see your up by one point with 4 seconds left and Russell shooting free throws. Why are your players even on the offensive side of hAlf court? If Russell makes the free throws the game is over and if she doesn't then all 5 players are positioned on the defensive end starting at half court and carter would not have been there to make that stupid foul ! Basketball 101 and I would bet that holly failed that class?
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I agree with your post!!!!!!!! I was taught this in high school, 30+ years ago! With the game this close and us shooting foul shots! NO ONE IS ON THE FOUL LINE!!!!!!! THIS WOULD ELIMINATE ANY CHANCE OF FOULING!!!

And everyone back if not all the way back.... Just put up token DEFENSE and let the clock run out?????????????
 
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livefaith said:
Fans are predictably being rude, crude, an nasty because of the season and desire for change. But, can we not show respect to one of then all time LV greats and chalk up this experiment as a "localized" failure?
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Once she is gone she will be thought of better. As long as she tries to hold on then she is the impediment to improving the program and people will express their displeasure in the most vociferous manner in the hopes of influencing those who make the decisions. That is how it works. It is a tough business.

The other thing is that she is eating into her good will. Apparently she really threw Carter under the bus in her press conference. It is hard to have sympathy for her when she does that. You don't get in a dogfight with a team of walkons like LSU has if there aren't a lot of problems with the program. Any single play is not the cause of the loss.

How fondly she is remembered will in large part depend on how long she hangs on and how far down she pulls us. And you know what? That is perfectly fair.
 
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Draya should be finished with her master's degree soon, I would think. She graduated in May of last year. Maybe this is the push that will encourage her to spread her wings. Holly's comments about one player who has stuck beside her and tried to please her, changing much of her own style to fit Holly's idea of what she should be doing, was wrong.
 
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