I hate Mike Hamilton

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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
You would think by now you'd realize how ridiculous that tired line of letting program slip sounds given what has happened since.........keep defending it to the grave though.....
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Youre right. Fat had nothing to do with the current situation. It was a huge conspiracy to fire him and he was a poor little innocent victim. Everything wrong is someone elses fault and he coulda been a saban like savior.
Keep defending him to the grave tho
 
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He had a top recruiting class his last year, he took us to the SEC championship the year before, and had we treated him with more dignity we certainly would have had less recruiting, problems on multiple fronts. It was whining from fair weather fans and boosters who pretend their donation amounts equals understanding of football.. that took a declining era, into an absolute tailspin....and cost the Univ millions of dollars to boot. All in all everyone else in the nation gets how bad a move it was, only die hard Fulmer haters incapable of ever admitting their wrong still cling to the decision as right. I think Butch is the right man for the job now.....but man still defending Fulmer as the cause is just idiotic.
 
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Wait, you admit that Fulmer was presiding over a "declining era" but then go on and say he was in the SEC championship game (Yea, let's all get on board for being first runner up) before being fired and had a "top recruiting class". How could it be Phil had been doing so well if the program was in decline?

Phil went 10 years without an SEC title (the longest span in school history under one coach), 2 losing seasons in his last 4 years, 3 bowl wins in his last 10 seasons and his only response was to keep working like heck to get better. He should have been canned after the 2005 season.

If you think the UTAD has lost a lot money, attendance, and season ticket holders in the past 5 years, all of those would have been a lot worse had Phil been retained. At least the Kiffin hire brought some life and fire back into a complacent and stagnant program

As bad as the Dooley and Kiffin hires were, I'd rather try to fix the problem than sit around fat, dumb and happy accepting the status quo of celebrating second place finishes intermixed with losing seasons.
 
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Outside of this forum and community the rest of the nation understands the reality of what happened.....it was stupid, it lacked any class of how to treat him, and we have paid dearly for it.......
 
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dobre_shunka said:
If you think the UTAD has lost a lot money, attendance, and season ticket holders in the past 5 years, all of those would have been a lot worse had Phil been retained. At least the Kiffin hire brought some life and fire back into a complacent and stagnant program
As bad as the Dooley and Kiffin hires were, I'd rather try to fix the problem than sit around fat, dumb and happy accepting the status quo of celebrating second place finishes intermixed with losing seasons.
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This is dumber than the "smokescreen" post. At least that one was funny as hell.

Kiffin and Hambone are the reason we've suffered our worst run in 100 years and just had the worst beating we've had in 100 years.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
He had a top recruiting class his last year, he took us to the SEC championship the year before, and had we treated him with more dignity we certainly would have had less recruiting, problems on multiple fronts. It was whining from fair weather fans and boosters who pretend their donation amounts equals understanding of football.. that took a declining era, into an absolute tailspin....and cost the Univ millions of dollars to boot. All in all everyone else in the nation gets how bad a move it was, only die hard Fulmer haters incapable of ever admitting their wrong still cling to the decision as right. I think Butch is the right man for the job now.....but man still defending Fulmer as the cause is just idiotic.
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Respect your opinion Nick but disagree. It was right to fire Fulmer but EVERYTHING after that was done so horribly it makes the Fulmer firing seem wrong. Making the SEC championship game never tells the whole tale. We got whacked by Florida that year about the same way we were by Oregon. Lot of programs have slipped into SEC championship game over the years and it didn't reflect where program was. After all, Miss Mistake has made that damn thing before. Arkansas too. All it takes it a down year in one side of conference and a little luck.
 
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Wilson27 said:
Respect your opinion Nick but disagree. It was right to fire Fulmer but EVERYTHING after that was done so horribly it makes the Fulmer firing seem wrong. Making the SEC championship game never tells the whole tale. We got whacked by Florida that year about the same way we were by Oregon. Lot of programs have slipped into SEC championship game over the years and it didn't reflect where program was. After all, Miss Mistake has made that damn thing before. Arkansas too. All it takes it a down year in one side of conference and a little luck.
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Firing a VFL midseason who gave you a National Championship outside of any scandal....is NEVER EVER the right call......if he had to go it should have been done differently, and with respect after season. If only to make it easier to find a replacement, the coaching world was pretty disgusted with how Tennessee Admin handled it.....no one wants to go to a program that treats people like that. Let's also face it Hamilton made many other mistakes as well.....in general he just really lacked any finesse on how to handle problems. Horrible Admin.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Firing a VFL midseason who gave you a National Championship outside of any scandal....is NEVER EVER the right call......if he had to go it should have been done differently. If only to make it easier to find a replacement, the coaching world was pretty disgusted with how Tennessee Admin handled it.....no one wants to go to a program that treats people like that.
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You would be correct if these guys didn't get paid MILLION to do what they do. Fulmer was THE Volunteer coach but not a volunteer coach. The coaching world is like any fraternity of guys. They are always disgusted when they perceive one of their own is "treated unfairly" because they know it could happen to them next.
 
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Wilson27 said:
You would be correct if these guys didn't get paid MILLION to do what they do. Fulmer was THE Volunteer coach but not a volunteer coach. The coaching world is like any fraternity of guys. They are always disgusted when they perceive one of their own is "treated unfairly" because they know it could happen to them next.
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I just don't know what to say if you think that was a correct way to treat him, and handle transition. He was not part of any scandal, he gave us the best era since Neyland....even sliding downward we were still a competitive program, but you still think it made since to fire him mid season? We are on different planes of what is right and wrong.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
I just don't know what to say if you think that was a correct way to treat him, and handle transition. He was not part of any scandal, he gave us the best era since Neyland....even sliding downward we were still a competitive program, but you still think it made since to fire him mid season? We are on different planes of what is right and wrong.
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If we are going to moralize about the firing...was it right to fire Sanders the way he did?
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
I just don't know what to say if you think that was a correct way to treat him, and handle transition. He was not part of any scandal, he gave us the best era since Neyland....even sliding downward we were still a competitive program, but you still think it made since to fire him mid season? We are on different planes of what is right and wrong.
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Anyway Nick thanks for keeping the discussion respectful and not getting into name calling like happens on here 95 percent of the time. We can agree to disagree. :salute:
 
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dooley2 said:
Keeping Fulmer > Hiring Dooley.

Oh, how I wish hindsight were 20/100
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Maybe but that's not saying much.

Hiring Dooley was the worst thing that's happened to this program in a long, long time. We would have been better to just have an interim coach. It worked great for OSU.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
This is dumber than the "smokescreen" post. At least that one was funny as hell.

Kiffin and Hambone are the reason we've suffered our worst run in 100 years and just had the worst beating we've had in 100 years.
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Pretty sure Dooley deserves some blame, unless you mean he's so bad it's not fair to pick on him anymore.
 
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Wilson27 said:
Anyway Nick thanks for keeping the discussion respectful and not getting into name calling like happens on here 95 percent of the time. We can agree to disagree. :salute:
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I agree...and I'm not saying it wasn't time for new blood...I just hated to see in handled the way it was, and why I personally lay blame on Hamilton.....he made it a much worse situation then it needed to be, and the fact so many still argue over it shows that.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Maybe but that's not saying much.

Hiring Dooley was the worst thing that's happened to this program in a long, long time. We would have been better to just have an interim coach. It worked great for OSU.
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Would've been better to have some random engineering student coach than Dooley
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Pretty sure Dooley deserves some blame, unless you mean he's so bad it's not fair to pick on him anymore.
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Oh no. I'm a firm believer in ridiculing the Bamboo Farmer at every opportunity.

I find it shocking though that a fraction of the fanbase (mostly Fulmer haters trying to save face) still believe Kiffin was a net positive for the program. Dooley allowed us to bleed out, but Kiffin put the gun to our head and pulled the trigger.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Pretty sure Dooley deserves some blame, unless you mean he's so bad it's not fair to pick on him anymore.
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I know I'm in the minority, but I really don't blame Dooley. He is what he is. 17-20 at La Tech coming off a 4 -8 season when Hammy hired him.

4-8 at LA TECH for crying out loud! What in the world was he smoking?

Blame lies with Hamilton IMO
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
I agree...and I'm not saying it wasn't time for new blood...I just hated to see in handled the way it was, and why I personally lay blame on Hamilton.....he made it a much worse situation then it needed to be, and the fact so many still argue over it shows that.
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Right or wrong we are still paying the price for giving up on Coach Fulmer. If it was the right thing to do, why are so many this upset when we are still in the process of rebuilding? If nothing else, this whining just adds to the comedy of errors from firing Fulmer to hiring Kiffin and Dooley. You, VN wanted a new program now get on the pony and ride it out, we have just now have any glimmer of hope, found some difficulty, and all the nancy's want to turn tail and run. Sad if it wasn't so funny...........not directed toward you, Nick.
 
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MedicT said:
Right or wrong we are still paying the price for giving up on Coach Fulmer. If it was the right thing to do, why are so many this upset when we are still in the process of rebuilding? If nothing else, this whining just adds to the comedy of errors from firing Fulmer to hiring Kiffin and Dooley. You, VN wanted a new program now get on the pony and ride it out, we have just now have any glimmer of hope, found some difficulty, and all the nancy's want to turn tail and run. Sad if it wasn't so funny...........not directed toward you, Nick.
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I know, I wanted to give him and offensive cord one more year but after that felt he needed to move on if no improvement. I understand why people were tired of his excuses, but I knew after the way he got treated more classy coaches would decline for awhile. But Butch is first coach I have felt good about, and see nothing yet that makes me question his hire. Still Hamilton botched this all in a big way.
 
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dooley2 said:
If you think Fulmer would have done worse than 23-28 (combined records under Dooley and Kiffin), and if you think the roster would have been worse if Fulmer were still here, then I don't know what to tell you.

In a perfect scenario, we give Fulmer 3 or 4 more years, keep a full roster, win 7-10 games a year, let it look like he retires (forcing him out), then hire Butch.
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Of course you don't....HE WAS THE ONE WHO DEPLETED THIS ROSTER!!! We had two abysmal classes in his last few years. Even Dooley did (much) better.
 
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