I hate Mike Hamilton

OK, thanks, i think i get it now.

jack nicklaus has won more masters tournaments than any other golfer in history. he should bounce back and be the odds on favorite come this april.

bobby bowden is one of the winningest coaches in football history. some school should snap him up so that he can bounce back next fall.

phil fulmer had a spectacular career at UT, he was on the verge of bouncing back and might have even "won the east" again. some other school just needs to step in and hire him and benefit from the bounce and go on to win championships and ........ crickets.

Obviously South Carolina needs to fire Spurrier right now.:crazy:
What is ridiculous is that some of us have tocome here and defend the 2nd top football coach in VOLS history. It is ridiculous, particularly when we see the results of what has happened since he has left. Should he stay forever? Of course not, but he had not shown that he couldn't come back. 2 bad seasons in all those years is not failure, especially when one of them was the year he was fired. Not to mention, Kiffin brought in his thugs, acted like one himself, spit on our traditions, ran off our recruits like Tajh Boyd, and the Fulmer haters thought he was great, when he had a season like Fulmer normally would.
 
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I am not defending Fulmer, but I am very fond of him. He is essentially the only coach I knew growing up a Vol fan. Everyone has that favorite guy that they remember when they attended or watched their first Vol game. My first recollection is watching those "orange guys" running through a T. (Exact words at 3 years old)

However, I have 2 things that people see as loyalism or not facing reality, but I feel they deserve some truth.

1. I think that Fulmer showed in his past that he could always rebound when seasons (W-L Wise) went rough. Just go through his W-L Records year by year. Another thing is this area was recruiting. Yes it was failing big time. Remember everyone loving Kenny O'neal as this awesome JUCO? People had hesitance towards CP as well. However, Fulmer's last class was on its way up. He had a QB to build around and Boyd prolly would have been a 4 year starter. Can't say that definitively because we don't know.

2. (And this was my biggest problem) Name one person that was equally qualified or better than Fulmer to replace him? You can't say Kiffin because there were certain unknowns in the Hiring process. After his first season, VN felt great. Hell, I did too. But, a HC is just there for Coaching. He is also there for compliance, loyalty, and being there for UT. Now ADs across the country are supposed to have a list of coaches to hire if they become open to looking for a new coach. I think Hamilton messed it up if he decided to start looking the way he did. Not one person he interviewed had any track record equal or better to Fulmer's last 5 years. His last 5 years is the generally the average of what folks said his decline started. (Once again, people argue 2001 and some say 2003 or 05. I don't care just making an average of it.)

In conclusion, I agree, had we kept him and averaged 8 wins a season the last 4 years, people would be clamoring for why not firing him. However, I think we would not see the fiscal effects and what has happened. We wouldn't see the attrition we have seen. We wouldn't see the roller coaster of emotion we have seen. Kiffin would have been the perfect OC HC in waiting. Why? Because he was an outsider. I never liked we gave him the keys to the car and said take off. I only liked him until after season 1. The nail in the coffin for Fulmer was hiring the wrong OC. It came out that Clawson was gonna be the unofficial Head Coach in Waiting to take over in 4 or 5 years. So around now, Fulmer would be gone or on his way out. Can you really say the last 4 years were better than keeping Fulmer? Fulmer was fired up. Hell, if I was at my job for that long and they approached me about firing, I would do whatever possible to keep my job. I really think Fulmer would have shaken the staff and fixed it. But in the end, WE DON"T KNOW. Just like the "Keep Fulmer Crowd" DID NOT KNOW that the last 4 years happened the way it did.

Anyway, that is my 50 cents.

If we had a strong, influential AD such as Foley at Florida, We would have had a better replacement for Coach Fulmer. We would also, still had Coach Pearl on court side at TBA too.

Ever wonder why all these schools seem to get away with murder (Miami, Auburn, Oregon, TAMU, Etc) and never see any consequences while we send a couple of hostesses to a high school game, have recruits run through a fog machine, and host a barbecue and we get the death penalty?
 
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since we are getting in to revisionist history, how about this:

fire CPF in 2005 after taking a preseason #3 team to a losing season capped by a gag at home to vanderbilt, and hire nick saban or urban meyer.

fast forward to 2013, 3 or 4 SECC later with a NC or two thrown into the mix, and suddenly everyone on VN says, phil who?
 
i like that idea.

better yet, add some pat summitt DNA to the mix ......

Ah - ok - only one step further:

In Vitro- General's sperm/Summitt's egg

Surrogate mother = Kate Upton

Personally blessed by Pope Francis

Delivery Room in the International Space Station

Soundtrack to birthing process by Daft Punk, Radiohead, Jay Z, and John Lennon. Performed Live by Rolling Stones.
 
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since we are getting in to revisionist history, how about this:

fire CPF in 2005 after taking a preseason #3 team to a losing season capped by a gag at home to vanderbilt, and hire nick saban or urban meyer.

fast forward to 2013, 3 or 4 SECC later with a NC or two thrown into the mix, and suddenly everyone on VN says, phil who?

Cool, but neither coach was available. Meyer coached Florida in 05 and Saban had just completed his first season as an NFL coach. He ended that season with a winning record. He wasn't going anywhere.
 
There's so many threads on here that have so many different aspects to them, that it can be difficult to take a hard and true stance pro or con.

Not this one!
I hate Mike Hamilton too!
Ahh, that feels better.
 
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Hamilton helping the poor and needy in Africa get clean water to their villages = I love that guy. He's a role model and a fine human being.

Hamilton getting within a thousand miles of my favorite athletic program = I hate that guy. He's a bad example and a sorry human being.

I'm confused a lot.
 
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Hamilton helping the poor and needy in Africa get clean water to their villages = I love that guy. He's a role model and a fine human being.

Hamilton getting within a thousand miles of my favorite athletic program = I hate that guy. He's a bad example and a sorry human being.

I'm confused a lot.

I want to make clear that this is a distinction that is prevalent in all my (negative) commentary on Hamilton.

When he isn't in the UTAD office, it appears Hambone is one fine human being.

In the UTAD office, I wouldn't give him the steam off my piss.
 
Moving chains last Saturday was the best defense the Vols could have fielded.

No doubt, but what about the previous two years? We had Bray in the fold. WE put up a lot of points and still lost

It's jus a stupid argument to make at this point. Once Kiffin got the job, Boyd was never coming here because of the offensive system

It's not Hamilton's fault we got hammered by Oregon. Those who believe the firing of Fulmer and subsequent hires were unilateral decisions by Hamilton are just misinformed as to the process
 
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No doubt, but what about the previous two years? We had Bray in the fold. WE put up a lot of points and still lost

It's jus a stupid argument to make at this point. Once Kiffin got the job, Boyd was never coming here because of the offensive system

Tajh is a better collegiate QB than Bray and its not even close. However, Bray was hamstrung by the Bamboo Farmer, and we know he didn't reach his potential.

The fact that Monte Kiffin's son ran off Tajh, BJ, and Nick (three NFL QBs) and kept Crompton (the CFL QB) is just a perfect indictment of Lane as head coach material. He could also find a helicopter for hostesses but couldn't find the payment required for Cam Newton??? :crazy:

Hambone and Kiffin shot us in the heart. Dooley watered the bamboo while we were bleeding to death. Butch essentially has to resurrect us from the dead thanks to those three.
 
Did someone in this thread really invoke Fulmer's "top class" in his last year? Pray tell, who were the members of this "top class?"
 
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. Those who believe the firing of Fulmer and subsequent hires were unilateral decisions by Hamilton are just misinformed as to the process

More wrong.

Hambone lobbied the powers-that-be hard, rode his Pearl hire, to get rid of Fulmer. Powers-that-be demanded the contract buy-out Fulmer got for service to UT.

Hambone would have broken the contract and paid out regardless in 2008. The timing of Fulmer's firing was in hopes it would wreck team morale and they would lose one of the last three games to make the firing look better at the end of the season. It happened that it worked against Wyoming.
 
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Tajh is a better collegiate QB than Bray and its not even close. However, Bray was hamstrung by the Bamboo Farmer, and we know he didn't reach his potential.

The fact that Monte Kiffin's son ran off Tajh, BJ, and Nick (three NFL QBs) and kept Crompton (the CFL QB) is just a perfect indictment of Lane as head coach material. He could also find a helicopter for hostesses but couldn't find the payment required for Cam Newton??? :crazy:

Hambone and Kiffin shot us in the heart. Dooley watered the bamboo while we were bleeding to death. Butch essentially has to resurrect us from the dead thanks to those three.

Boyd wasn't ran off! He never was on campus. He never signed.

The slide started in 2002 whether you want to acknowledge it or not. Look at where we stand now with players on active NFL rosters. We're no.10. From the mid 80s until the mid 2000s, we were in the top three virtually every year. Those are facts that speak volumes as to WHEN the talent level started dropping off. Nevermind the fact we were getting our azzes beat once or twice a year at home by our biggest rivals and were NEVER a national championship contender from 2002-2008, despite some years where we had preseason top 5 rankings.

At least your rear end is sitting on a silver platter.
 
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