I Still Don't Believe...

#53
#53
JMO, But if UT finishes 2nd in the SEC and wins even ONE game in the tourney, they will get a bid..
 
#54
#54
The thing going for UT is quality wins. 4 top50 wins and 7 top100 wins is strong compared to teams with 0, 1, 2, or 3 top50 wins. Grab 1 or 2 more and they'll be sitting very good

Sagarin and Pomroy numbers are stronger than their RPI numbers and factor into the equation as well
 
#55
#55
TennesseeFan07 said:
That Tennessee is even close to getting a bid, like most on here keep harping about. That said, it's a miracle that Cuonzo Martin even has this team competing for bubble consideration. Martin's resume shows that his teams usually improve tremendously from year one to year two. I think he's ahead of that trend.
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Because of all the automatic bids, you need an RPI at least in the 50's to say you deserved to get in and were snubbed. I think UT's RPI is 76 where Alabama is 32.

They are playing well, going deep in the SEC tourney and getting an RPI much lower is likely.
 
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#56
#56
I would love another matchup with Ole Miss in the SEC T. I see FL being upset in the second round.
 
#58
#58
The RPI is one factor, not the end all be all. If it were, Missouri State wouldn't have been left out a few years so with a RPI of 21.

That said, 76 is a little high for an at-large team.
 
#60
#60
Indianavol4eva said:
the OP said he doesn't think we are anywhere close to getting an invite to the big dance. I'd say that if we need 2 more quality wins, that would be considered pretty far from receiving a bid.

That said, I would love nothing more than to beat the **** out of everyone we played. I just think people are gonna get let down if they keep focusing on the tournament, and there is not a damn thing to feel let down about in regards to this team. They have lived up to every possible expectation that anyone could have had for them.
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This.
 
#62
#62
rockytop9808 said:
Honestly, I'm not going to be disappointed if we don't get a bid. We're a bubble team- there is zero chance what we get will be a shafting. We will get what we've earned through the course of the season.
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I agree with you. I'm proud as hell of what CCM and the team have been able to do after such a horrid start. I couldn't be prouder actually.

If we make it to the dance after all this, I'm putting my vote in for CCM for President. :)
 
#63
#63
Just wondering what the RPI was pre Stokes and post Stokes. Don't know why this would not be a huge factor.
 
#64
#64
Indianavol4eva said:
1. anyone who knows anything about sports will agree that we probably don't want to play a big time rival for a third time after already beating them twice this year. It is very, very hard to beat a team 3 times in one year.

2. I'm not just talking about their performance against us earlier in the season. Did you watch them play UK? They have the talent to beat anyone.
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Florida last year beat us 3 times in a row, if they could do that then we certainly can do that. Plus we matchup with Florida quite well. I wouldn't mind playing UF again.
 
#65
#65
The OP might be right, but here's the problem with the NCAA Tourney.
It isn't really about the top 68 teams in the country playing to see who is #1. It's about the top teams from a given number of conferences being rewarded for good seasons.
Below is a list of teams ahead of us.
Some will be in the tournament because they win their conference tourneys.
I've listed their rpi, , sos, rpi 1-50 record and losses to 100+ teams.

35 Long Beach 105 0-6 1
37 Harvard 180 1-1 1
38 Iona 147 1-1 3
39 Oral roberts 183 0-2 2
44 M Tn 176 0-1 2
48 Nevada 144 0-3 2
53 Washington 84 1-6 1
57 S Dakota St 179 1-1 5
61 Akron 93 0-3 1
68 Drexel 247 0-1 3
71 Ohio 188 0-1 5
72 Weber St 254 0-3 1
76 TN 31 4-7 4
Now tell me the current RPI indexing system works.
How can you compare teams that don't play or don't beat rpi 1-50 teams to those like us that play 11 or more every year?
 
#66
#66
I personally don't think we can get in unless we made it to the tourney championship, and have the game be really close against KY...Not winning against anyone else, would do us no good...Regardless of what happens, i am so much prouder of this team, than last years that quit against Mich in the first round...CCM should be SEC coach of the year, hands down...
 
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#67
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calban said:
The OP might be right, but here's the problem with the NCAA Tourney.
It isn't really about the top 68 teams in the country playing to see who is #1. It's about the top teams from a given number of conferences being rewarded for good seasons.
Below is a list of teams ahead of us.
Some will be in the tournament because they win their conference tourneys.
I've listed their rpi, , sos, rpi 1-50 record and losses to 100+ teams.

35 Long Beach 105 0-6 1
37 Harvard 180 1-1 1
38 Iona 147 1-1 3
39 Oral roberts 183 0-2 2
44 M Tn 176 0-1 2
48 Nevada 144 0-3 2
53 Washington 84 1-6 1
57 S Dakota St 179 1-1 5
61 Akron 93 0-3 1
68 Drexel 247 0-1 3
71 Ohio 188 0-1 5
72 Weber St 254 0-3 1
76 TN 31 4-7 4
Now tell me the current RPI indexing system works.
How can you compare teams that don't play or don't beat rpi 1-50 teams to those like us that play 11 or more every year?
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Great Post!!!

How can teams with an SOS of 180 and 179 really have an RPI of 37 and 57 respectively? Several other similar comparisons there too.
 
#68
#68
TennesseeFan07 said:
Not really. Lunardi doesn't have Tennessee anywhere close to the cut line. However, that's not the point. The point is that Cuonzo Martin inherited a team full of backups and turmoil, and has somehow managed to even make it into the discussion.
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#69
#69
TennesseeFan07 said:
That's certainly possible, and it will help the resume. But, everyone was also pumping Alabama in 2011 and Mississippi State in 2010, too.
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Do you know what those 2 schools RPI was on selection Sunday?

It was nowhere close to where Tennessee would be with 2 wins. With 2 wins Tennessee is in the low 50's...

Last years Alabama team was 75 on selection Sunday

The 09-10 miss st team you're referring to had a RPI of 86

You can not even compare Tennessee to those 2 teams. It's widely known if your RPI is over 70 your chances are slim. Once again though, Tennessee if they win 2 more will be in the low 50's.
 
#70
#70
If you want to compare look ag USC just last year ...They made the tourney with this resume

19-14(10-8)
RPI: 66
SOS: 38

Those numbers are very comparable with UT, but again Tennessee rpi will be much better than 66.
 
#71
#71
calban said:
The OP might be right, but here's the problem with the NCAA Tourney.
It isn't really about the top 68 teams in the country playing to see who is #1. It's about the top teams from a given number of conferences being rewarded for good seasons.
Below is a list of teams ahead of us.
Some will be in the tournament because they win their conference tourneys.
I've listed their rpi, , sos, rpi 1-50 record and losses to 100+ teams.

35 Long Beach 105 0-6 1
37 Harvard 180 1-1 1
38 Iona 147 1-1 3
39 Oral roberts 183 0-2 2
44 M Tn 176 0-1 2
48 Nevada 144 0-3 2
53 Washington 84 1-6 1
57 S Dakota St 179 1-1 5
61 Akron 93 0-3 1
68 Drexel 247 0-1 3
71 Ohio 188 0-1 5
72 Weber St 254 0-3 1
76 TN 31 4-7 4
Now tell me the current RPI indexing system works.
How can you compare teams that don't play or don't beat rpi 1-50 teams to those like us that play 11 or more every year?
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We are setting a lot better than people think. The RPI is fixing to start taking care of it's self in the conference tournaments. IMO, out of the teams above us...

Long Beach, Harvard, Iona, Oral Roberts, MTN, and Nevada are more than likely gonna take their conference tournaments. The Summit League aint taking more than 1 bid so drop SD State and the rest of the teams are either favored or 2nd in their league to get the automatic bids. Those weak conferences are good for us because the NCAA's aren't taking more than 1 of those teams. And if those teams loss to someone else who grabs an auto bid, we'll leap them.

Win one to jump in the middle of the bubble discussion. Win 2 and be a lock in. The RPI will work it's self out.
 
#74
#74
It's going to be a stretch if this team makes the tournament. I think the RPI is still too low. Just have to win 3 games and it won't matter
 
#75
#75
Shaun1985 said:
We are setting a lot better than people think. The RPI is fixing to start taking care of it's self in the conference tournaments. IMO, out of the teams above us...

Long Beach, Harvard, Iona, Oral Roberts, MTN, and Nevada are more than likely gonna take their conference tournaments. The Summit League aint taking more than 1 bid so drop SD State and the rest of the teams are either favored or 2nd in their league to get the automatic bids. Those weak conferences are good for us because the NCAA's aren't taking more than 1 of those teams. And if those teams loss to someone else who grabs an auto bid, we'll leap them.

Win one to jump in the middle of the bubble discussion. Win 2 and be a lock in. The RPI will work it's self out.
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Pretty sure Harvard isn't winning any Ivy League tourney.
 
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