Idaho, Moscow murders

[YankeeVol]

It’s hard to argue with that logic. I have no idea, unless he was just completely shocked that someone else was there and didn’t know what to do. I feel like this false narrative has been established that this guy was supposed to be cunning and he was able to see all the corners because he was a Ph D student studying criminology . In actuality he was never as smart as he thought. He’s just an insecure, psycho who is probably a 28 year old virgin .

I forgot to add , did the girl he let live ever make a 911 call?

911 wasn’t called until later that morning correct?

 

[RDU VOL#14]

911 wasn’t called until later that morning correct?

That’s my understanding.

 

[Go aeiou]

Sibling rivalry?

 

[Jax_Vol]

Why did roommate 'Dylan' go back to sleep?



Sheriff’s Department
University of Idaho undergrad Dylan Mortensen said she first woke up around 4 a.m. on Nov. 13 to what she assumed was the sound of her roommate, Kaylee Goncalves, playing with her dog upstairs.
A short time later, Mortensen thought she heard her 21-year-old friend say, “There’s someone here.” But when Mortensen looked out of her bedroom, she didn’t see a thing. She peeked outside her bedroom door a second time when she heard crying coming from the bedroom of her other roommate, Xana Kernodle.
“It’s ok, I’m going to help you,” Mortensen told authorities she heard a male voice say.

The third time Mortensen opened her bedroom door to a far more terrifying sight: “a figure clad in black clothing and a mask that covered the person’s mouth and nose walking toward her.” But the masked man just walked past her and left the home from the back sliding glass door as she stood there in “frozen shock.”
Hours later, Mortensen would learn that three of her roommates—and one of their boyfriends—had been brutally murdered.
That’s according to a probable cause affidavit unsealed Thursday, which lays out previously unknown details about what happened in the Moscow, Idaho, rental home the night of the shocking murders that have since captured national attention.
Investigators “believe the homicides occurred between 4:00 a.m. and 4:25 a.m.,” the affidavit states.
One of the surviving roommates—it has not been revealed which it was—called 911 at 11:58 a.m., police revealed more than a week after the deadly scene unfolded. Cops said “multiple people” spoke to the dispatcher on that call, which is not mentioned in the affidavit, but was made from one of the roommates’ phones.
In the document, authorities lay out various details into the killings of four University of Idaho college students—Madison Mogen, 21; Ethan Chapin, 20; and Kernodle and Goncalves. Last week, a team of local, state, and federal law enforcement officers arrested Kohberger, a 28-year-old first-year PhD student in criminology at Washington State University, at his parents’ home in Pennsylvania.
He was extradited back to Idaho on Wednesday and is set to face 2nd District Magistrate Judge Megan Marshall today on four counts of murder in the first degree and a burglary charge.
Providing new details about the lengthy investigation that led to Kohberger’s arrest, investigators detail how authorities found the eerie scene, and eventually matched DNA from a knife sheath found in a bedroom to Kohberger himself.
Investigators obtained that DNA sample two days after Christmas, when cops “recovered the trash from the Kohberger family residence located in Albrightsville, PA,” and sent it to the Idaho State Lab for testing, the affidavit reveals.
Kohberger’s phone had pinged off cell towers near the home “on at least twelve occasions prior” to the killings, almost exclusively in the late evening and early-morning hours, the affidavit states.
The affidavit also provided additional details about Kohberger, including that he applied for an internship with the Pullman Police Department in 2022. In his application, Kohberger wrote an essay expressing his interest “in assisting rural law enforcement agencies with how to better collect and analyze technological data in public safety operations.”
The probable cause affidavit states that investigators entered the Moscow home on the bottom floor—before walking up stairs to find Kernodle just outside her bedroom door. Authorities say that she had wounds that “appeared to have been caused by a edged weapon.”
Inside the room, authorities found Chapin, who sustained deadly “sharp-force injuries.” On the third floor, authorities found one bedroom with a dog, where both Goncalves and Mogen were “deceased with visible stab wounds.” Authorities later noticed a “tan leather knife sheath laying next to Mogen’s right side” bearing the U.S. Marine Corps insignia and crucial DNA evidence on the button snap.
Authorities also found a latent shoe print at the scene, which showed a “diamond-shaped pattern (similar to the pattern of a Vans type shoe sole) just outside” Mortensen’s door. Upon reviewing several surveillance cameras on the area, investigators were able to also determine that a white sedan was seen by the house around the time of the murders.
Eventually, authorities were able to connect the car to Kohberger—whose license photo revealed he had the same physical description, including his “bushy eyebrows,” that Mortensen detailed to police. The affidavit states that the license plates of the car had been switched shortly after the murders. Kohberger’s phone also pinged off of cell towers near the murder house immediately before and after the killings, but not between 3 a.m. and 5 a.m.
While a motive is still unclear, Joseph Giacalone, a former NYPD detective sergeant who now teaches at New York City’s John Jay College of Criminal Justice, sees the fact that two of the six people inside the house were spared, as a possible key insight.
“Why didn’t he kill the eyewitnesses?” Giacalone said Thursday. “Was it ‘mission-complete’ [for Kohberger]? Maybe now we’re starting to see who the true target of his rage was.”

 

[davethevol]

Why did roommate 'Dylan' go back to sleep?



Sheriff’s Department
University of Idaho undergrad Dylan Mortensen said she first woke up around 4 a.m. on Nov. 13 to what she assumed was the sound of her roommate, Kaylee Goncalves, playing with her dog upstairs.
A short time later, Mortensen thought she heard her 21-year-old friend say, “There’s someone here.” But when Mortensen looked out of her bedroom, she didn’t see a thing. She peeked outside her bedroom door a second time when she heard crying coming from the bedroom of her other roommate, Xana Kernodle.
“It’s ok, I’m going to help you,” Mortensen told authorities she heard a male voice say.

The third time Mortensen opened her bedroom door to a far more terrifying sight: “a figure clad in black clothing and a mask that covered the person’s mouth and nose walking toward her.” But the masked man just walked past her and left the home from the back sliding glass door as she stood there in “frozen shock.”
Hours later, Mortensen would learn that three of her roommates—and one of their boyfriends—had been brutally murdered.
That’s according to a probable cause affidavit unsealed Thursday, which lays out previously unknown details about what happened in the Moscow, Idaho, rental home the night of the shocking murders that have since captured national attention.
Investigators “believe the homicides occurred between 4:00 a.m. and 4:25 a.m.,” the affidavit states.
One of the surviving roommates—it has not been revealed which it was—called 911 at 11:58 a.m., police revealed more than a week after the deadly scene unfolded. Cops said “multiple people” spoke to the dispatcher on that call, which is not mentioned in the affidavit, but was made from one of the roommates’ phones.
In the document, authorities lay out various details into the killings of four University of Idaho college students—Madison Mogen, 21; Ethan Chapin, 20; and Kernodle and Goncalves. Last week, a team of local, state, and federal law enforcement officers arrested Kohberger, a 28-year-old first-year PhD student in criminology at Washington State University, at his parents’ home in Pennsylvania.
He was extradited back to Idaho on Wednesday and is set to face 2nd District Magistrate Judge Megan Marshall today on four counts of murder in the first degree and a burglary charge.
Providing new details about the lengthy investigation that led to Kohberger’s arrest, investigators detail how authorities found the eerie scene, and eventually matched DNA from a knife sheath found in a bedroom to Kohberger himself.
Investigators obtained that DNA sample two days after Christmas, when cops “recovered the trash from the Kohberger family residence located in Albrightsville, PA,” and sent it to the Idaho State Lab for testing, the affidavit reveals.
Kohberger’s phone had pinged off cell towers near the home “on at least twelve occasions prior” to the killings, almost exclusively in the late evening and early-morning hours, the affidavit states.
The affidavit also provided additional details about Kohberger, including that he applied for an internship with the Pullman Police Department in 2022. In his application, Kohberger wrote an essay expressing his interest “in assisting rural law enforcement agencies with how to better collect and analyze technological data in public safety operations.”
The probable cause affidavit states that investigators entered the Moscow home on the bottom floor—before walking up stairs to find Kernodle just outside her bedroom door. Authorities say that she had wounds that “appeared to have been caused by a edged weapon.”
Inside the room, authorities found Chapin, who sustained deadly “sharp-force injuries.” On the third floor, authorities found one bedroom with a dog, where both Goncalves and Mogen were “deceased with visible stab wounds.” Authorities later noticed a “tan leather knife sheath laying next to Mogen’s right side” bearing the U.S. Marine Corps insignia and crucial DNA evidence on the button snap.
Authorities also found a latent shoe print at the scene, which showed a “diamond-shaped pattern (similar to the pattern of a Vans type shoe sole) just outside” Mortensen’s door. Upon reviewing several surveillance cameras on the area, investigators were able to also determine that a white sedan was seen by the house around the time of the murders.
Eventually, authorities were able to connect the car to Kohberger—whose license photo revealed he had the same physical description, including his “bushy eyebrows,” that Mortensen detailed to police. The affidavit states that the license plates of the car had been switched shortly after the murders. Kohberger’s phone also pinged off of cell towers near the murder house immediately before and after the killings, but not between 3 a.m. and 5 a.m.
While a motive is still unclear, Joseph Giacalone, a former NYPD detective sergeant who now teaches at New York City’s John Jay College of Criminal Justice, sees the fact that two of the six people inside the house were spared, as a possible key insight.
“Why didn’t he kill the eyewitnesses?” Giacalone said Thursday. “Was it ‘mission-complete’ [for Kohberger]? Maybe now we’re starting to see who the true target of his rage was.”

Maybe that’s why the police said the public was safe, because he let one witness live? Or did he let her live so that she would be terrified for the rest of her life? She’s going to need therapy for a long time.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

It’s hard to argue with that logic. I have no idea, unless he was just completely shocked that someone else was there and didn’t know what to do. I feel like this false narrative has been established that this guy was supposed to be cunning and he was able to see all the corners because he was a Ph D student studying criminology . In actuality he was never as smart as he thought. He’s just an insecure, psycho who is probably a 28 year old virgin .

I forgot to add , did the girl he let live ever make a 911 call?

Yes. She was the one that called at noon the next day.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

Maybe that’s why the police said the public was safe, because he let one witness live? Or did he let her live so that she would be terrified for the rest of her life? She’s going to need therapy for a long time.

I think it was because they had an idea of who they were looking for and if he tried to strike again they would've gotten him on something to hold him in jail.

 

[Jax_Vol]

Maybe that’s why the police said the public was safe, because he let one witness live? Or did he let her live so that she would be terrified for the rest of her life? She’s going to need therapy for a long time.

Indeed. I can't imagine.

Why wasn't the dog barking?

 

[A.J.]

Why did roommate 'Dylan' go back to sleep?



Sheriff’s Department
University of Idaho undergrad Dylan Mortensen said she first woke up around 4 a.m. on Nov. 13 to what she assumed was the sound of her roommate, Kaylee Goncalves, playing with her dog upstairs.
A short time later, Mortensen thought she heard her 21-year-old friend say, “There’s someone here.” But when Mortensen looked out of her bedroom, she didn’t see a thing. She peeked outside her bedroom door a second time when she heard crying coming from the bedroom of her other roommate, Xana Kernodle.
“It’s ok, I’m going to help you,” Mortensen told authorities she heard a male voice say.

The third time Mortensen opened her bedroom door to a far more terrifying sight: “a figure clad in black clothing and a mask that covered the person’s mouth and nose walking toward her.” But the masked man just walked past her and left the home from the back sliding glass door as she stood there in “frozen shock.”
Hours later, Mortensen would learn that three of her roommates—and one of their boyfriends—had been brutally murdered.
That’s according to a probable cause affidavit unsealed Thursday, which lays out previously unknown details about what happened in the Moscow, Idaho, rental home the night of the shocking murders that have since captured national attention.
Investigators “believe the homicides occurred between 4:00 a.m. and 4:25 a.m.,” the affidavit states.
One of the surviving roommates—it has not been revealed which it was—called 911 at 11:58 a.m., police revealed more than a week after the deadly scene unfolded. Cops said “multiple people” spoke to the dispatcher on that call, which is not mentioned in the affidavit, but was made from one of the roommates’ phones.
In the document, authorities lay out various details into the killings of four University of Idaho college students—Madison Mogen, 21; Ethan Chapin, 20; and Kernodle and Goncalves. Last week, a team of local, state, and federal law enforcement officers arrested Kohberger, a 28-year-old first-year PhD student in criminology at Washington State University, at his parents’ home in Pennsylvania.
He was extradited back to Idaho on Wednesday and is set to face 2nd District Magistrate Judge Megan Marshall today on four counts of murder in the first degree and a burglary charge.
Providing new details about the lengthy investigation that led to Kohberger’s arrest, investigators detail how authorities found the eerie scene, and eventually matched DNA from a knife sheath found in a bedroom to Kohberger himself.
Investigators obtained that DNA sample two days after Christmas, when cops “recovered the trash from the Kohberger family residence located in Albrightsville, PA,” and sent it to the Idaho State Lab for testing, the affidavit reveals.
Kohberger’s phone had pinged off cell towers near the home “on at least twelve occasions prior” to the killings, almost exclusively in the late evening and early-morning hours, the affidavit states.
The affidavit also provided additional details about Kohberger, including that he applied for an internship with the Pullman Police Department in 2022. In his application, Kohberger wrote an essay expressing his interest “in assisting rural law enforcement agencies with how to better collect and analyze technological data in public safety operations.”
The probable cause affidavit states that investigators entered the Moscow home on the bottom floor—before walking up stairs to find Kernodle just outside her bedroom door. Authorities say that she had wounds that “appeared to have been caused by a edged weapon.”
Inside the room, authorities found Chapin, who sustained deadly “sharp-force injuries.” On the third floor, authorities found one bedroom with a dog, where both Goncalves and Mogen were “deceased with visible stab wounds.” Authorities later noticed a “tan leather knife sheath laying next to Mogen’s right side” bearing the U.S. Marine Corps insignia and crucial DNA evidence on the button snap.
Authorities also found a latent shoe print at the scene, which showed a “diamond-shaped pattern (similar to the pattern of a Vans type shoe sole) just outside” Mortensen’s door. Upon reviewing several surveillance cameras on the area, investigators were able to also determine that a white sedan was seen by the house around the time of the murders.
Eventually, authorities were able to connect the car to Kohberger—whose license photo revealed he had the same physical description, including his “bushy eyebrows,” that Mortensen detailed to police. The affidavit states that the license plates of the car had been switched shortly after the murders. Kohberger’s phone also pinged off of cell towers near the murder house immediately before and after the killings, but not between 3 a.m. and 5 a.m.
While a motive is still unclear, Joseph Giacalone, a former NYPD detective sergeant who now teaches at New York City’s John Jay College of Criminal Justice, sees the fact that two of the six people inside the house were spared, as a possible key insight.
“Why didn’t he kill the eyewitnesses?” Giacalone said Thursday. “Was it ‘mission-complete’ [for Kohberger]? Maybe now we’re starting to see who the true target of his rage was.”

The fact the surviving roommates didn’t do anything after all that makes no sense. They heard crying from roommates and ran into him while he was there, but didn’t check on the roommates or call police til hours later ?

 

[Jax_Vol]

The fact the surviving roommates didn’t do anything after all that makes no sense. They heard crying from roommates and ran into him while he was there, but didn’t check on the roommates or call police til hours later ?

From the start, I'm reading between the lines that all were probably drunk to some extent.

But still.....makes no sense.

 

[YankeeVol]

Indeed. I can't imagine.

Why wasn't the dog barking?

The dog did bark. It's in one of the links I posted.

 

[YankeeVol]

From the start, I'm reading between the lines that all were probably drunk to some extent.

But still.....makes no sense.

There's a lot that doesn't make sense right now.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

There's a lot that doesn't make sense right now.

Far be it from me to criticize someone who has experienced something as traumatic as she did, I just don’t know how you wait until Noon to call the cops. Maybe she froze up and just sat balled up in a corner, maybe she was so hammered or high or whatever it didn’t register as reality and she hoped or thought she’d dreamed it, but there has to be questions. Why did he come back near the house around 9:15 that AM? Trying to recover the sheath? There’s a lot out there.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

My on thing and why I won't totally crucify her for not calling quicker. She went back in her room and locked the door to hide fair enough, bit after doing so she sat/laid down on her bed. I would say at that point it's very likely she fell asleep.

 

[woodpusher]

In the back of my head I keep thinking I've seen at least one movie/show about a criminal psychologist/profiler that becomes a serial killer. You know, starts out with "trying to understand you subject's thinking" and goes from there. Can't actually pull out a title though which is annoying me.

There was Harleen Quinzel who became Harley Quinn in the Batman cartoons.

 

[YankeeVol]

In the back of my head I keep thinking I've seen at least one movie/show about a criminal psychologist/profiler that becomes a serial killer. You know, starts out with "trying to understand you subject's thinking" and goes from there. Can't actually pull out a title though which is annoying me.

Dexter the TV show. Worked for the PD.

 

[dillyo51]

That’s my understanding.

You hear someone crying, then see someone wearing a mask, you either go check on your roommate or call 911, or do both.

 

[BP4Prez]

The fact the surviving roommates didn’t do anything after all that makes no sense. They heard crying from roommates and ran into him while he was there, but didn’t check on the roommates or call police til hours later ?

I agree it doesn’t make sense. But then again no one knows how you respond until it happens. Is it atleast possible she didn’t have her phone on her? And was scared to go out of the room?

 

[RDU VOL#14]

My on thing and why I won't totally crucify her for not calling quicker. She went back in her room and locked the door to hide fair enough, bit after doing so she sat/laid down on her bed. I would say at that point it's very likely she fell asleep.

You hear someone crying, then see someone wearing a mask, you either go check on your roommate or call 911, or do both.

To me that tells me she was pretty hammered or just completely froze in fear. I won’t ever fault someone for being drunk and going out and getting home safely, especially on a college campus. I won’t blame her for being intoxicated at all. Those are the only explanations I can think of.

I suppose if we all wanted to get crazy we could really go out to left field and suggest some bad conspiracies. I highly doubt that though .

 

[mr.checkerboards]

To me that tells me she was pretty hammered or just completely froze in fear. I won’t ever fault someone for being drunk and going out and getting home safely, especially on a college campus. I won’t blame her for being intoxicated at all. Those are the only explanations I can think of.

I suppose if we all wanted to get crazy we could really go out to left field and suggest some bad conspiracies. I highly doubt that though .

You dont have to do that, internet sleuths are already doing this. Because they still havent learned their lesson with being wrong about literally everything else in this case.

 

[Wireless1]

To me that tells me she was pretty hammered or just completely froze in fear. I won’t ever fault someone for being drunk and going out and getting home safely, especially on a college campus. I won’t blame her for being intoxicated at all. Those are the only explanations I can think of.

I suppose if we all wanted to get crazy we could really go out to left field and suggest some bad conspiracies. I highly doubt that though .

Or she looked the devil in the face.

 

[dillyo51]

That’s my understanding.

You hear someone crying, then see someone wearing a mask, you either go check on your roommate or call 911, or do both.

 

[hndog609]

Dexter the TV show. Worked for the PD.

That's slightly different in that Dexter was a full blown sociopath way before he joined the PD. I was thinking more of the "normal guy gets too deep and goes dark" thing. Still, Dexter is certainly in the ball park. Another character that seemed to be dabbling along that line was "Dutch" from The Shield.

 

[hndog609]

There was Harleen Quinzel who became Harley Quinn in the Batman cartoons.

That's not the one I'm thinking of but that's a pretty good example.

 

[SycloneJoe]

From the start, I'm reading between the lines that all were probably drunk to some extent.

But still.....makes no sense.

That's the only logical explanation. She had to be drunk or high. That would explain sleeping so late and not calling until mid-day.