if a&m joins who will join the east

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#101
You would probably have a division of all west 4 teams a division of all east 4 teams and 2 divisions of split east and west 8 teams.
 
#102
#102
I just don't think the SEC is going to be hitting 16 until quite further down the line

More likely the better consideration for now is how to balance out 14
 
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#103
DjCrenshaw said:
Yeah, I don't think I like that too much. I liked mine better.
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Yeah, I did too, but I don't think the SEC would stand for it. At least we keep beating up on Vandy every year, and we would have an advantage in that our cross-division rival (Kentucky) is way easier than Auburn's (Georgia) and whoever Bama gets.
 
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#104
DjCrenshaw said:
ewww... and the humor is off too.
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Oh, not that far east. Never mind then.

BTW, I'm another who thinks A&M needs to stay right where they are-in Texas. I fail to see any reason at all to take them into the SOUTHEASTERN Conference other than someone(s) making money from doing so. Arkansas was a stretch. There are at least a dozen teams in the actual Southeast I think are a much better fit.
 
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#105
TrueOrange said:
I just don't think the SEC is going to be hitting 16 until quite further down the line

More likely the better consideration for now is how to balance out 14
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It would be a lot better to pick up an east team. I don't know how interested FSU or Miami would be. I think UF would be against us picking up Miami because their schedule would be stuck playing both of them yearly.
 
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#106
Incipient said:
Then you lose Vandy/Tennessee.

IMO, this needs to be done in a way where every school gets to keep playing their arch-rival at least. Some schools really have two that they need to keep (for instance, Bama has to play UT and AU; Georgia has to play UF and AU).
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9-10 games, 2 in the opposite division yearly required, UT's being Vandy and Bama?

would that not work?
 
#107
#107
Maryland/WVU
Tennessee
Georgia
Kentucky

South Carolina
Florida
Vandy
FSU

Alabama
Auburn
MSU
Ole Miss

LSU
Arky
Mizzou
A&M

New additions are hypothetical, but this would be pretty even imo.
 
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#108
DjCrenshaw said:
You would probably have a division of all west 4 teams a division of all east 4 teams and 2 divisions of split east and west 8 teams.
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If you add four in the West (say A&M, OU, OSU, Mizzou), I think this is the most equitable split:

Div 1: USC, UK, Florida, Georgia
Div 2: Tennessee, Vandy, Bama, Auburn
Div 3: Ole Miss, MSU, LSU, Arky
Div 4: A&M, Oklahoma, OSU, Missouri

You can trade Arky and A&M if you like, but other than that, I think it's pretty workable
 
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#109
DjCrenshaw said:
It would be a lot better to pick up an east team. I don't know how interested FSU or Miami would be. I think UF would be against us picking up Miami because their schedule would be stuck playing both of them yearly.
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UF would be against us picking up both
 
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#110
TrueOrange said:
9-10 games, 2 in the opposite division yearly required, UT's being Vandy and Bama?

would that not work?
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If you're going to have two cross-division rivals, you can just split up Auburn and Alabama and not have to go through all these contortions. But I think two cross-division rivals is probably a last resort.
 
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#114
UTCVol said:
Maryland/WVU
Tennessee
Georgia
Kentucky

South Carolina
Florida
Vandy
FSU

Alabama
Auburn
MSU
Ole Miss

LSU
Arky
Mizzou
A&M

New additions are hypothetical, but this would be pretty even imo.
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The trouble there is rivalries. Even if you have a cross-division rival in each division, it won't work, because South Carolina and Florida both want Georgia as their biggest rival.
 
#115
#115
DjCrenshaw said:
Why would they care if FSU was in? They already play them yearly. I was saying if we added Miami it would be a blow to them.
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it's one thing to play them as an overall meaningless rivalry game, it's another thing for FSU's loss to end up counting as a reason why they couldn't make the SEC championship game (and vice versa)

Same goes for UGA and Tech, and likely Clemson & USCe

while the fans would like to see it (since it would add more viewing value to those games), none of those schools would
 
#116
#116
TrueOrange said:
it's one thing to play them as an overall meaningless rivalry game, it's another thing for FSU's loss to end up counting as a reason why they couldn't make the SEC championship game (and vice versa)

Same goes for UGA and Tech, and likely Clemson & USCe

while the fans would like to see it (since it would add more viewing value to those games), none of those schools would
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It's already positioned to ruin a NC title game. I mean that is the worst time to play one of your biggest threats year in and year out.
 
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#117
Incipient said:
The trouble there is rivalries. Even if you have a cross-division rival in each division, it won't work, because South Carolina and Florida both want Georgia as their biggest rival.
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Would probably turn out better if USCe and UGA were switched, then. That way you could preserve SC/UGA and TN/FL.
 
#118
#118
Incipient said:
If you're going to have two cross-division rivals, you can just split up Auburn and Alabama and not have to go through all these contortions. But I think two cross-division rivals is probably a last resort.
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the conference used to do it up until 2002 (we played arkansas every year)


however they do it though, conference games are going to have to be raised up from 8 a season (someone will complain about OOC games, but these teams used to have to deal with only getting 3 for decades....they all can go without having another western kentucky each year just fine)
 
#119
#119
TrueOrange said:
the conference used to do it up until 2002 (we played arkansas every year)


however they do it though, conference games are going to have to be raised up from 8 a season (someone will complain about OOC games, but these teams used to have to deal with only getting 3 for decades....they all can go without having another western kentucky each year just fine)
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I believe they had the 2 stationed other division games in order to bring some history and tradition for USC and Arky in the SEC. Wouldn't they need to do something similar to any new comers?
 
#120
#120
UTCVol said:
Would probably turn out better if USCe and UGA were switched, then. That way you could preserve SC/UGA and TN/FL.
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Then you lose TN/Vandy again. And this is also assuming that a four team playoff for the conference championship is an okay thing. Dunno how that'll come off.
 
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#122
TrueOrange said:
the conference used to do it up until 2002 (we played arkansas every year)


however they do it though, conference games are going to have to be raised up from 8 a season (someone will complain about OOC games, but these teams used to have to deal with only getting 3 for decades....they all can go without having another western kentucky each year just fine)
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I know they used to, but then it was an eight game schedule and one rotating out of four. This would make it a nine game schedule with one rotating out of five. If they disliked the former enough to scrap it, I don't imagine the latter is going to be more appetizing.
 
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#123
DjCrenshaw said:
It's already positioned to ruin a NC title game. I mean that is the worst time to play one of your biggest threats year in and year out.
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yeah but, again, they would much rather be able to have it go "oh we missed out on a NC game because FSU beat us, oh well, we can still win the conference championship and make a BCS bowl by winning next week"

as opposed to a "great, we lost to FSU; now UGA/UT/USCe/etc goes to the SEC championship; no shot at a BCS bowl; not only did it cost us the conference, but now it's to freakin cotton bowl"
 
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#124
Incipient said:
I know they used to, but then it was an eight game schedule and one rotating out of four. This would make it a nine game schedule with one rotating out of five. If they disliked the former enough to scrap it, I don't imagine the latter is going to be more appetizing.
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We could go to a 24 team conference where we do everything like we already do and our conference champ would play theirs. Maybe beef up the big 12 and just become the SEC Bigs.
 
#125
#125
TrueOrange said:
yeah but, again, they would much rather be able to have it go "oh we missed out on a NC game because FSU beat us, oh well, we can still win the conference championship and make a BCS bowl by winning next week"

as opposed to a "great, we lost to FSU; now UGA/UT/USCe/etc goes to the SEC championship; no shot at a BCS bowl; not only did it cost us the conference, but now it's to freakin cotton bowl"
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I dunno. It would definatley make the rivalry grow even more.
 
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