If Bruce is let go... I want Tubby Smith

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wildnkrazykat said:
that might have been all it was, but i swear to God it felt like they were beating us like redheaded step children
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I'm pretty sure Buzz never beat him if 4 years. Blew several golden opprotunities, but never beat him.

I will also point out that the 02-03 team was one Keith Bogans injury away in the 8 from winning a national title. That is probably one of the best teams time forgot. They absolutely dominated the SEC that season.
 
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97-98 (ranked #7 - #9ish)
lost by 15 to #1 Arizona Neutral
lost by by 3 to UR Looval home
lost by 8 to UR Florida home
lost by 9 to #18 Ole Miss @ home

98-99 (ranked #3 - #7 - and dang that was a sucky year)
L 12 to UR Pitt neutral
L 11 #2 Duke Neutral
L 9 @ UR Looval
L 1 UR UT @ home
L 7 @ UR florida
L 4 @ UR Bama
L 7 @ UR UT
L 7 #2 Mich St. in tourney
 
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wildnkrazykat said:
if tubby @ uk struggled to beat ut and florida and vandy, what makes anyone think that tubby @ ut could beat uk, florida and vandy
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That's some pretty revisionist history. He won the regular season championship in 98, 99, 01, 03, 05. He won the tourney in 98, 99, 01, 03, 04. He made 6 sweet 16's and 4 elite 8's, and had a championship.

He is the 2nd-fastest UK coach to 100 wins (after Rupp).

His championship team had no all-Americans and no 1st-round picks. It is the only team in the past 20 or so years to win a championship with that kind of roster.
 
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I do not believe that I would like to have Tubby as a coach at Tenn. I just don't like the guy personally. Maybe this will refresh someone... Tubby coached this kid named Rondo. Never a really big name at Kentucky because Tubby would have rather played his son. If my memory serves me correct Rondo is in the league on one of the best teams in the NBA and is the starting point. Not really sure if Saul has been on a team that has made it to the NBA finals. Just don't want to see him land in Tenn. Don't think that he can recruit and don't think he makes good decisions.
 
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I don't think anybody would deny Tubby knows his X's & O's. It's his recruiting that scares people.
 
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NYYVol, you're a lucky man.

I'm not a "delusional" uk fan. I played basketball all of my life. I've been the head athletic trainer for 2 different basketball teams for the last 6 years. i don't claim to be an X/O's genius, but i know the difference between good basketball, **** basketball and everything in between. Tubby wasn't horrible @ UK in the beginning and would be plenty good enough for alot of programs in the country. I'd love for him to be at UT, would love it. Just like every coach in the SEC LOVED it when he was at Kentucky. Tubby wasted more scholarship money at UK than anyone i've ever seen. You realize for the better part of 4 years we had 21 feet of **** sitting on our bench in the form of three 7 foot players?

Alot of uk fans are NC every year type of people. I want to see a good team who competes hard and has a chance to win put on the floor. Look at our roster Tubby's last 2 or 3 years, would you trade your UT team right now for that? I wouldn't.

As for Rajon, I don't think he and Saul played at the same time, but Rondo has become a premier NBA point guard and wasn't even good enough to start for Tubby.
 
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wildnkrazykat said:
NYYVol, you're a lucky man.

I'm not a "delusional" uk fan. I played basketball all of my life. I've been the head athletic trainer for 2 different basketball teams for the last 6 years. i don't claim to be an X/O's genius, but i know the difference between good basketball, **** basketball and everything in between. Tubby wasn't horrible @ UK in the beginning and would be plenty good enough for alot of programs in the country. I'd love for him to be at UT, would love it. Just like every coach in the SEC LOVED it when he was at Kentucky. Tubby wasted more scholarship money at UK than anyone i've ever seen. You realize for the better part of 4 years we had 21 feet of **** sitting on our bench in the form of three 7 foot players?

Alot of uk fans are NC every year type of people. I want to see a good team who competes hard and has a chance to win put on the floor. Look at our roster Tubby's last 2 or 3 years, would you trade your UT team right now for that? I wouldn't.

As for Rajon, I don't think he and Saul played at the same time, but Rondo has become a premier NBA point guard and wasn't even good enough to start for Tubby.
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Tubby in retrospect was not a good fit in Kentucky because as Lex stated, he didn't pander to the AAU's of the world or the fanbase for that matter. He is a very good coach, though.
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I am not saying that he isn't a good X's and O's coach but he is not a good recruiter and he doesn't play kids who have talent on his teams. So all in all he isn't a good coach. That's why he didn't last at UK and why Wisconsin beat him last night.
 
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misplacedfan#1 said:
I am not saying that he isn't a good X's and O's coach but he is not a good recruiter and he doesn't play kids who have talent on his teams. So all in all he isn't a good coach. That's why he didn't last at UK and why Wisconsin beat him last night.
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So a loss makes a coach bad? Who in the hell is good, then?
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misplacedfan#1 said:
I am not saying that he isn't a good X's and O's coach but he is not a good recruiter and he doesn't play kids who have talent on his teams. So all in all he isn't a good coach. That's why he didn't last at UK and why Wisconsin beat him last night.
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He is a great coach...you don't last 10 years at UK being just a good coach.
 
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misplacedfan#1 said:
I am not saying that he isn't a good X's and O's coach but he is not a good recruiter and he doesn't play kids who have talent on his teams. So all in all he isn't a good coach. That's why he didn't last at UK and why Wisconsin beat him last night.
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The fact he's taken Minnesota from the nether-regions of the NCAAs to a top 20 team means he's a bad coach?
 
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Lexvol said:
He is a great coach...you don't last 10 years at UK being just a good coach.
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with Mitch B as your AD and Lee Todd as your Prez, you just might be able to. Tubby's problem (or brilliance) was that he did just enough to be "unfireable". and yes, i just made that word up.
 
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You are right. He LASTED 10 years at UK. He didnn't do anything while he was there. He won that national championship off of "the 15 sec man" players. I could have coached that team to the final game and won it. After that he did nothing. When you are at UK you are supposed to be the team no one wants to play cause it is a loss on your record. If you coach there you are not just supposed to LAST. He isn't a great coach. He is a good one but by no means great. Phil Jackson is a great coach!
 
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misplacedfan#1 said:
You are right. He LASTED 10 years at UK. He didnn't do anything while he was there. He won that national championship off of "the 15 sec man" players. I could have coached that team to the final game and won it. After that he did nothing. When you are at UK you are supposed to be the team no one wants to play cause it is a loss on your record. If you coach there you are not just supposed to LAST. He isn't a great coach. He is a good one but by no means great. Phil Jackson is a great coach!
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Ok, you could have won the title with the 98 Wildcats but you couldn't have won an NBA title with Phil Jackson's teams? How can you deny Tubby is good coach based on his talent then cite the greatness of a coach who has had some of the best teams in history? Don't get it. It is silly to say Tubbt doesn't get credit for that title and it was Pitino's players. Noone says 2005 was all Buzz and no Bruce. Also, a lot of coaches walk into loaded situations and fail. When that happens the previous coach gets the blame. How Ron Zook inherited a loaded team and failed in football. Tubby won that title in 98, stop trying to use that as an argument for him being a bad coach. He is a very good coach. Won at Tulsa, Georgia, UK, and Minnesota. Give the guy his credit. He may have underachieved in last few years at UK but he is a very good coach and has a national title. If you are gonna blame coaches for losses, gotta credit them with wins, and he won that title is 98 with a team that wasn't exactly loaded especially when you compare to other rosters that season.
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OrangeInKy said:
Ok, you could have won the title with the 98 Wildcats but you couldn't have won an NBA title with Phil Jackson's teams? How can you deny Tubby is good coach based on his talent then cite the greatness of a coach who has had some of the best teams in history? Don't get it. It is silly to say Tubbt doesn't get credit for that title and it was Pitino's players. Noone says. 2005 was all Buzz and no Bruce. Also, a lot of coaches walk into loaded situations and fail. When that happens the previous coach gets the blame. How Ron Zook inherited a loaded team and failed in football. Tubby won that title in 98, stop trying to use that as an argument for him being a bad coach. He is a very good coach. Won at Tulsa, Georgia, UK, and Minnesota. Give the guy his credit. He may have underachieved in last few years at UK but he is a very good coach and has a national title. If you are gonna blame coaches for losses, gotta credit them with wins, and he won that title is 98 with a team that wasn't exactly loaded especially when you compare to other rosters that season.
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Sorry, you said he was good and not great. I wouldn't say he is great either I just wouldn't use that argument to justify my view
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I'm still waiting for someone to name all these great players on the '98 Kentucky team.
 
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