If Clemson beats SMU does SMU still get in...

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adam.vol said:
I really don’t see the point in me checking that for you.
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Were you not comparing SMU with 2 losses(they currently only have 1) to the loser of Ariz St/iowa St (winner gets in automatically) who’d have 3 losses?
 
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landscapingvol said:
I was led to believe that conference championship games wouldn’t be held against the losers. Of course they are going to hold it against the losers and reward the winners. Otherwise there is zero point in having them
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CCG outcomes have always played a part somehow or other, whether it's for bowl selections, BCS, 4 team playoffs and now they will for the 12 team CFP. Not sure if you can change that, Conferences want Championship games.

Maybe eliminate AQs, Committee select seeds 1-4 based on rankings prior to CCGs then select 8 at large afterwards.
 
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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
You obviously have no integrity and couldn’t elevate yourself to be objective and think rationally so it’s difficult to understand how others could but trust me there are people out there who are different than yourself
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You've already shown over and over (and over .....) again that you are utterly clueless or just painfully naive when it comes to this whole charade.
Please don't comment on my integrity, because I have enough to admit that I wouldn't be a completely objective judge in ranking teams that played drastically different levels of competition in leagues that are close to being comparable. And that doesn't even take into account the natural leanings of being associated with programs and leagues like these committee members.

But you continue to believe the fairy tale that exists in your mind that these are enlightened individuals who have "elevated" themselves above the biases and subjectivity of ordinary mortals and only have the "good of the game" as their goal, paying no mind whatsoever to the immense business aspects of this enterprise.
 
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I just can't see how someone would value going to the playoffs over playing for an SEC Title and possibly missing out on the playoffs...just seems like sacrilege

I think for that reason the committee will show great deference to the teams in these championship games, meaning it will take a blowout to move teams around significantly. Ga getting blown out is what it will take to fall behind us, and even then it might not be enough. Likewise I think SMU has to be blown out to miss out on the bracket. Guess we'll see.
 
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This may be a dumb question, and I'm too lazy to research it, but even if Clemson jumps them and SMU stays ahead of them, isn't Alabama still in as the 12 seed? Aren't they currently at 11?
 
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StickMan said:
This may be a dumb question, and I'm too lazy to research it, but even if Clemson jumps them and SMU stays ahead of them, isn't Alabama still in as the 12 seed? Aren't they currently at 11?
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AZ State or Iowa State are the 12th seed, depending on which wins the Big 12.

One of them will get an "auto bid" for winning the Big 12. Alabama doesn't have an "auto bid" and is the lowest seeded school without one so they are "last in/first out" supposedly if changes occur.
 
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StickMan said:
This may be a dumb question, and I'm too lazy to research it, but even if Clemson jumps them and SMU stays ahead of them, isn't Alabama still in as the 12 seed? Aren't they currently at 11?
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No. Bama probably would be 12th but that would make them 1st team out.
 
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wmcovol said:
Were you not comparing SMU with 2 losses(they currently only have 1) to the loser of Ariz St/iowa St (winner gets in automatically) who’d have 3 losses?
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I’m comparing SMU with 2 losses to where ASU and ISU currently are, with 2 losses and a similar strength of schedule. After ASU and ISU play, they should be able to rise or fall accordingly, based on who they have defeated and lost to.

I wouldn’t care if one of SMU’s losses was to 2019 LSU, they haven’t beaten anyone good and they have 2 losses.
 
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#112
The ACC is a one bid league. Hopefully next season the auto bids are gone because neither SMU nor Clemson actually deserve to be in.
 
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landscapingvol said:
I was led to believe that conference championship games wouldn’t be held against the losers. Of course they are going to hold it against the losers and reward the winners. Otherwise there is zero point in having them
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That was never said at all. SMU and Boise State must win or they will more than likely drop out. The losers of the SEC and B1G game will move down - how far will depend upon the scores and who loses.
 
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StickMan said:
This may be a dumb question, and I'm too lazy to research it, but even if Clemson jumps them and SMU stays ahead of them, isn't Alabama still in as the 12 seed? Aren't they currently at 11?
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They’re not gonna be ahead of the Big 12 champion which will either be UNLV or Arizona State tomorrow. You’re looking at Oregon, Texas, Penn State, Clemson, Notre Dame, Georgia, Tennessee, Ohio State, SMU, Arizona State/UNLV, Indiana, Boise State as your Top 12 (not in that order).
 
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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
You obviously have no integrity and couldn’t elevate yourself to be objective and think rationally so it’s difficult to understand how others could but trust me there are people out there who are different than yourself
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Ha! Did you just question someone’s integrity over guessing at what a committee making football picks will do? That’s hilarious! How does someone’s opinion on something with zero relevance to anything of true importance factor into their integrity? You really have to love VN.
 
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Orange931 said:
They’re not gonna be ahead of the Big 12 champion which will either be UNLV or Arizona State tomorrow. You’re looking at Oregon, Texas, Penn State, Clemson, Notre Dame, Georgia, Tennessee, Ohio State, SMU, Arizona State/UNLV, Indiana, Boise State as your Top 12 (not in that order).
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UNLV plays Boise State tonight
 
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adam.vol said:
I’m comparing SMU with 2 losses to where ASU and ISU currently are, with 2 losses and a similar strength of schedule. After ASU and ISU play, they should be able to rise or fall accordingly, based on who they have defeated and lost to.

I wouldn’t care if one of SMU’s losses was to 2019 LSU, they haven’t beaten anyone good and they have 2 losses.
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SMU currently only has 1 loss.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
I wouldn't be too sure. The SEC/Big 10 have little financial motivation to see G level schools taking top 4 seeds. And frankly, every school not in the SEC/Big 10 is now in a G level league.
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Actually, no they would. The motivation is it avoids anti-trust issues and potential legislature…it’s the exact same reason the BCS system added the extra game and the rules that placed higher ranked Group of 5 level champions into one of the 4 pre-championship game BCS bowls.

They lose a lot more if they lose an anti trust suit that actually gains traction (especially at the Congressional level, where those last pre-BCS-expansion attempts were made) than they do giving up 3 single spots to these other conferences.

What they’ll end up doing over time, though, is pushes or changes that result in them taking larger slices of the overall pie/pot from the CFP system (while still keeping the ACC, Big 12, and a single Group of 5 conference involved).
 
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