If Ferguson or Dobbs are half as good as Eric Ainge was

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I've posted this in other threads,that i don't believe that either freshmen will play this year,unless both Worley and Petermen are injured,why ? because most likely one of the 2,Worley or Petermen will transfer out,according to who wins the starting position and if they bring in one of the freshmen,the other one will leave,i don't remember if a QB was recruited this year or not,was there ? or are they still looking ? instead of looking for some D line help ? this is my guess
 
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crunchimusmaximus said:
As a true freshman or even Tyler Bray for that matter....then one of them should be the starter. Seriously, Ainge was a great true freshman QB and beat some good teams that year including UF and took us to the SECCG. I would take a true freshman level Ainge over Worely ANY day....which leads to ask are Dobbs and Ferguson not that good actually or is Butch just worried about throwing them to the wolves too soon?

Ainge had to play that wicked Auburn team in 2004.....plus plenty of other good teams....i don't see why Fergy hasn't at least had a few snaps these first 2 games provided how well he supposedly has been in practice....i really think Butch could be making a mistake here....so far Worely is just terrible. And Peterman isn't even a option he is really bad as well.....Dobbs or Ferguson have to be better than what they offer if not, than maybe they must have been overrated.
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I have an absolutely nutty idea. Dobbs and Ferguson aren't the starting QBs because Butch actually knows what he's doing. On account of, you know, seeing and working with these guys daily.

And, uh, regarding that terrible Worley guy, one of the UT coaches, you know, a guy actually paid to coach the players. The guy who's right there on the field with the players as opposed to a computer bound "expert." Well, more than once regarding receivers, he says of North for example: #VolReport: Execution Time - UTSPORTS.COM - University of Tennessee Athletics

Now, the problem with that guy Worley (darn him!!!), he can't throw passes and run routes all by his lonesome at the same time, you know.

Totally dumb thoughts on my part for sure, but you know, sometimes the truth has to be told. :hi:

Woodsmanvol shuffles off to the strands of "Happy Trails to You."
 
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k-town_king said:
See Bray/Simms. The exact same thing will happen. The fr will learn the playbook and what it means to be in the SEC and after Bama one will come in.
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Aw, you sneaky liar, you. :) Bray never did learn the playbook, even by his own admission to Gruden if I recall right. he simply wasn't willing to put in the work. His focus was on padding his numbers.
 
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photovol said:
But neither Dobbs or Ferguson is close to what Ainge was as a freshmen.....so move on
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Whats being lost in all this is while I think CJ Leak was not going to be the answer. Chris Leak had just went public with some vitriol about Fulmer vocally bashing Tennessee for not playing his brother CJ over Casey Clausen the previous year. I feel CJ was just going to have to go the extra mile to beat the freshmen. Fulmer was looking for a reason to not play CJ and justifiable imo. CJ should have told his little brother who doesn't play for us but a rival to shut his mouth that Casey Clausen was a better player than him and he wasn't going to beat him out. Sop going into his senior year Ainge and Schaeffer had the leg up on CJ Leak. My friend who was a tight end at the time reminded me of that.
 
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alwaysvol said:
same things was said about Crompton, and Kiffin told us multiple time every week that the wrs had alot to do with his problems. We didn't believe it until after the Georgia game. Worley doesn't have a noodle arm, and when he steps into a throw he shows what he can do.
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Crompton had a cannon. Worley has a noodle.
 
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crunchimusmaximus said:
As a true freshman or even Tyler Bray for that matter....then one of them should be the starter. Seriously, Ainge was a great true freshman QB and beat some good teams that year including UF and took us to the SECCG. I would take a true freshman level Ainge over Worely ANY day....which leads to ask are Dobbs and Ferguson not that good actually or is Butch just worried about throwing them to the wolves too soon?

Ainge had to play that wicked Auburn team in 2004.....plus plenty of other good teams....i don't see why Fergy hasn't at least had a few snaps these first 2 games provided how well he supposedly has been in practice....i really think Butch could be making a mistake here....so far Worely is just terrible. And Peterman isn't even a option he is really bad as well.....Dobbs or Ferguson have to be better than what they offer if not, than maybe they must have been overrated.
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Ainge's freshman year success was partially due to Brent Schaeffer and vice versa. I would have loved to see 2 or 3 years of them co-starting. Ainge went on to be a beast. Make no mistake, I am not saying that Ainge was good just because of a running qb. He is and will always be one of my favorite QBs at UT. I think Dobbs and Fergie could be similar to the Ainge/Scaeffer situation and would love to see it and I think we will see it.

PS, I am flying home to Tennessee today for the weekend from Ohio. So glad to get back to the Rocky Top state!!!!
 
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Worley is 22-32 combined for the first 2 games....I can't complain other than him throwing the ball behind receivers at times...he looked good in the second half against wku....he has done what has been asked of him
 
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If Dobbs or Ferguson were good enough to start right now, then they wouldn't be 3rd and 4th on the depth chart.
 
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Sgt_Nick_Fury said:
Don't know much about his family but given his IQ, they are likely pretty well educated themselves, this might not be that big a deal for them financially I dunno. I just can't imagine you'd burn his red shirt unless Worley gets hurt. Dobbs is the future or a big part of it, I hope they don't waste his redshirt on a year that likely he can't make a huge difference in yet.
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I don't understand this thinking. If the guy is really good and turns out to be as good as you're thinking, Redshirting them for that 5th year of eligibility is irrelevant, as he would go pro before that. I'm not saying he should play, but the reason shouldn't be because you're afraid to burn the RS.
 
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Boca Vol said:
You're correct. RC came in and was able to beat Vandy and UK in close battles, while Ainge (mostly) led UT to wins agains UF, UGA, Ole Miss, Bama, and USC.
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And let's not forget that glorious day when Rick Clauson came in and gave the game away to Notre Dame with his pick six.
 
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alwaysvol said:
same things was said about Crompton, and Kiffin told us multiple time every week that the wrs had alot to do with his problems. We didn't believe it until after the Georgia game. Worley doesn't have a noodle arm, and when he steps into a throw he shows what he can do.
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Wait...you actually believe that the receivers were the problem with Crompton? For a year and a half? Did you see those games?

Did you see the Western Kentucky game? Worley's first pass was two yards behind the receiver. His second was 4 feet above the receiver's head. How was that the receiver's fault? Was he supposed to be 8 feet tall? Worley wasn't rushed for most of the game. He had plenty of opportunities to step into his throws. It's not going to get much easier than that.
 
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oregonvol said:
Wait...you actually believe that the receivers were the problem with Crompton? For a year and a half? Did you see those games?

Did you see the Western Kentucky game? Worley's first pass was two yards behind the receiver. His second was 4 feet above the receiver's head. How was that the receiver's fault? Was he supposed to be 8 feet tall? Worley wasn't rushed for most of the game. He had plenty of opportunities to step into his throws. It's not going to get much easier than that.
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Those misses don't mean anything. I don't know a whole lot about football, but I know that depth and timing of routes are key and that the WR has to do his job, too.

I understand the concern about his decision making and throwing off his back foot under pressure. But, more goes into a passing game than just the QB. The criticism he has gotten is just ridiculous.
 
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Moustache said:
I don't understand this thinking. If the guy is really good and turns out to be as good as you're thinking, Redshirting them for that 5th year of eligibility is irrelevant, as he would go pro before that. I'm not saying he should play, but the reason shouldn't be because you're afraid to burn the RS.
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Acknowledgement: The Sarge certainly doesn't need me to explain or defend his statement.

Comment: All the same, here's the rub. Your operative statement is If the guy is really good and turns out to be as good. . . . " Which by default means you don't know the truth or accuracy of your own claims (desires?).

Jones has to work with what is the best of an imperfect set of choices. Pretty much as the Big Man up there did in picking first Saul as king (a vainglorious and impatient braggart) and then David (a guy who couldn't control his peter and was a murderer to boot). So if the Big Man had to deal with limited and imperfect choices and go with them despite their imperfections, is it any wonder that CBJ faces a similar situation? So until he gets a Jesus (Peyton Manning) so to speak, he has to plays the best cards in his hands. Savvy? :hi:
 
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k-town_king said:
See Bray/Simms. The exact same thing will happen. The fr will learn the playbook and what it means to be in the SEC and after Bama one will come in.
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I don't think Worley is nearly as bad as Simms was. That's why he got the nod over Simms to start, as a true freshman in 2011, when Bray went down.

I'm more disappointed that Peterman couldn't beat Worley out, with his mobility and all. Just don't think Worley is the best fit for this offense among the 4....but I suppose it's a tough call to make for the staff. I bet they are itching to get a mobile guy to run their offense, but will have to be patient in the mean time.
 
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If possible I would keep both redshirted. Let Worley play out the season and let the chips fall where they may. If he doesn't produce like the coaches think he should, then next year...a whole different story.
GO VOLS!
 
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I guess average margin of victory of 36 points for Worley this year just isn't good enough! :banghead2:


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Why can't you people just leave Worley alone? Gheeez...he didn't ask to be the starter. He is the starter because we have coaches that know more than any of us on here do, and he is the best of what we have right now. Leave the kid alone, or start supporting him because he is the Vols QB, and if you're a true Vol fan then stop complaining and start supporting this kid.
 
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I have high hopes for these freshman. I also feel like they will play when they are ready to. It doesn't make much sense to throw them into a big game at Oregon without taking any "real game" snaps.

In Butch We Trust.
 
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Until you realize there is absolutely no talent around the QB on this team, then ideas like this make sense. Have you seen our starting skill position players on offense? Maybe the worst in our lifetime for UT.
 
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