If my kid was in school, they wldn't be watching this

#101
#101
utvolpj said:
my next question would have been if you attended a Catholic shool



I'm sure I don't but anyone struggling on the tests put out by the state is going to struggle at many things in life. Once we realize that a HS diploma is not a right we will be better off
Click to expand...

i think this is one of the few times i have agreed with you PJ.

i could take this argument elsewhere but im just gonna bask in awe of us actually agreeing
 
#102
#102
Not a catholic school. The public education system (mostly 3rd up) in Montgomery County Tennessee, Clarksville.

When all this paddling was allowed, you didn't have the problems you have today. As all oldtimers say, "If I got one at school, I got one at home!"

BTW, my wife and I raised our two boys this way too!
 
#103
#103
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
i think this is one of the few times i have agreed with you PJ.

i could take this argument elsewhere but im just gonna bask in awe of us actually agreeing
Click to expand...

don't beat yourself up, it happens :)

we can throw money at it but nothing will ever get better until we change that. Get students that are not college material on a track to get a skill. Get them into trade classes/internships/apprenticeships and give them something they can make money doing once they are out. An 18yo (not college bound) with 2yrs as a welders apprentice is much better off than an 18yo with a HS diploma who knows nothing. We don't teach finance or econ to HS kinds and wonder why they have $10k in debt on 3 cards by the end of their freshman year.
 
Last edited:
#104
#104
utvolpj said:
don't beat yourself up, it happens :)

we can throw money at it but nothing will ever get better until we change that. Get students that are not college material on a track to get a skill. Get them into trade classes/internships/apprenticeships and give them something they can make money doing once they are out. An 18yo (not college bound) with 2yrs as a welders apprentice is much better off than an 18yo with a HS diploma who knows nothing. We don't teach finance or econ to HS kinds and wonder why they have $10k in debt on 3 cards by the end of their freshman year.
Click to expand...

We are thinking along the same lines here. I have always thought that there should be two kinds of high schools; one for college bound students and one for "trade" bound students.
 
#105
#105
utvolpj said:
don't beat yourself up, it happens :)

we can throw money at it but nothing will ever get better until we change that. Get students that are not college material on a track to get a skill. Get them into trade classes/internships/apprenticeships and give them something they can make money doing once they are out. An 18yo (not college bound) with 2yrs as a welders apprentice is much better off than an 18yo with a HS diploma who knows nothing. We don't teach finance or econ to HS kinds and wonder why they have $10k in debt on 3 cards by the end of their freshman year.
Click to expand...

100% agreed, i know starting this year, personal finance is a required class in my county. there is a group of people that i wouldnt classify is left wing, or right wing, but on another planet that has set the mindset that every kid can do well on the same things which is BS. The person who cuts my hair is brilliant because they are great at cutting hair, doesnt mean they are good at calc. The person that fixes my car is a genius because everytime i take it to get fixed, he fixes it. He may not be able to pass my history class though.
 
#106
#106
What scares me the most is that these kids will be taking care of me in a few years in the oldfolks home!:crazy:
 
#108
#108
NBC spoke with Katie Gordon, a spokeswoman for the Florida Republican Party, who said the party's "beef" is with the accompanying lesson plans. The guide for pre-K through grade 6 suggests questions students think about during the speech, such as "What is the President trying to tell me? What is the President asking me to do?"

The plan for grades 7-12 includes a "guided discussion," with suggested topics: "What resonated with you from President Obama's speech? What is President Obama inspiring you to do?"
Click to expand...
'
Absolutely pathetic.
 
#111
#111
The Associated Press: Obama speech to students draws conservative ire

Democrats.... ROFL.......... a democrat..............

:eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol:

The White House plans to release the speech online Monday so parents can read it. He will deliver the speech at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Va.
"I think it's really unfortunate that politics has been brought into this," White House deputy policy director Heather Higginbottom said in an interview with The Associated Press.
"It's simply a plea to students to really take their learning seriously. Find out what they're good at. Set goals. And take the school year seriously."
Click to expand...

When has any democrat alive ever stood for any thing similar to this?

:banghead2:

One Idaho school superintendent, Murray Dalgleish of Council, urged people not to rush to judgment.
"Is the president dictating to these kids? I don't think so," Dalgleish said. "He's trying to get out the same message we're trying to get out, which is, `You are in charge of your education.'"
Click to expand...

:lolabove:

Democrats care about education!

:lolabove:
 
#112
#112
As Barack Obama prepares a nationwide broadcast to America's students next Tuesday, it has been revealed that Democrats complained in 1991 when then President George H. W. Bush broadcast a speech from a Northwest Washington junior high school.In fact, the House Majority leader at the time, Dick Gephardt (D-Mo.), said "The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students."
Click to expand...

it's always the same thing. Anyone who can see a difference in the political parties please raise their hand. Bueller, Bueller?
 
#113
#113
I think folks need to separate out their anxiety that any president would do this (which is very low) versus their anxiety that its this particular president doing it (and that anxiety is very high).

They also need to separate out their real concern here that any child will be improperly influenced (which is very low) versus the purely political manipulation of the facts to create another false alarm concerning the president (which is very high).

I seem to remember the morning of 9/11 and President Bush sitting in a classroom of children down in the Ft. Myers area when he got word of what was happening. Don't seem to recall the conservatives up in arms that the president was indoctrinating them.
 
#114
#114
I think that your first two paragraphs are reasonable questions and there is certainly some truth to the points.

The last paragraph is where you get off track, IMO. He was reading a children's story, not a prepared speech/presentation complete with suggested lesson plan.
 
#115
#115
utvolpj said:
it's always the same thing. Anyone who can see a difference in the political parties please raise their hand. Bueller, Bueller?
Click to expand...

Hand up. One party is not for further income redistribution.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#117
#117
utvolpj said:
sure they are, they just disagree on the direction
Click to expand...

Negative. Those against artificial distro need everyone to have money. Without that, the vast majority of businesses buckle.

Your point was damn near LGesque in nature. I'm not sure how one sees distribution from bottom up.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#118
#118
lawgator1 said:
I think folks need to separate out their anxiety that any president would do this (which is very low) versus their anxiety that its this particular president doing it (and that anxiety is very high).

They also need to separate out their real concern here that any child will be improperly influenced (which is very low) versus the purely political manipulation of the facts to create another false alarm concerning the president (which is very high).

I seem to remember the morning of 9/11 and President Bush sitting in a classroom of children down in the Ft. Myers area when he got word of what was happening. Don't seem to recall the conservatives up in arms that the president was indoctrinating them.
Click to expand...

let see he was reading a book to them as compared to handing down a curiculum of what to teach... big difference there my jort wearing mullet sporting friend
 
#119
#119
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
let see he was reading a book to them as compared to handing down a curiculum of what to teach... big difference there my jort wearing mullet sporting friend
Click to expand...


It would just be a difference in scale. Bush reads a story to one class, Obama encourages hundreds of classes to stay in school. The difference is really only quantitative, not qualitative. Nothing wrong with either, is the truth.

If Bush (or McCain) were doing some sort of internet speech to kids to encourage kids to work hard and stay in school, and it were followed up with a lesson plan that said "What is the President asking you to do and how will you do it?" I would have ZERO problem with it. None. I think its a good thing, regardless of who the president is at the time.

This is just such petty b.s.
 
#120
#120
BigPapaVol said:
Negative. Those against artificial distro need everyone to have money. Without that, the vast majority of businesses buckle.

Your point was damn near LGesque in nature. I'm not sure how one sees distribution from bottom up.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
Click to expand...

you're right I just don't see the current group of GOP having anything in their minds but helping their friends and SI groups. I would love to see them all gone
 
#121
#121
utvolpj said:
you're right I just don't see the current group of GOP having anything in their minds but helping their friends and SI groups. I would love to see them all gone
Click to expand...
We clearly agree.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#122
#122
lawgator1 said:
It would just be a difference in scale. Bush reads a story to one class, Obama encourages hundreds of classes to stay in school. The difference is really only quantitative, not qualitative. Nothing wrong with either, is the truth.

If Bush (or McCain) were doing some sort of internet speech to kids to encourage kids to work hard and stay in school, and it were followed up with a lesson plan that said "What is the President asking you to do and how will you do it?" I would have ZERO problem with it. None. I think its a good thing, regardless of who the president is at the time.

This is just such petty b.s.
Click to expand...

*cough*bulls*it*cough*


Obama could tell you that the sky was purple and you would argue with us that it was. So when do they sheer the sheep?
 
#123
#123
GASOUTHERNVOL said:
*cough*bulls*it*cough*


Obama could tell you that the sky was purple and you would argue with us that it was. So when do they sheer the sheep?
Click to expand...

That's ridiculous. I have many problems with Obama. Just wish the right would make sensible arguments to in the debate, as opposed to histrionics, exaggerations, fabrications, scare tactics, and all around general fear mongering. So many simpletons being deluded by right wing radio/tv charlatans. Honestly, Beck and Hannity approaching Orson Welles level at this point. Hell, Beck should be institutionalized and medicated.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
 
#124
#124
lawgator1 said:
That's ridiculous. I have many problems with Obama. Just wish the right would make sensible arguments to in the debate, as opposed to histrionics, exaggerations, fabrications, scare tactics, and all around general fear mongering. So many simpletons being deluded by right wing radio/tv charlatans. Honestly, Beck and Hannity approaching Orson Welles level at this point. Hell, Beck should be institutionalized and medicated.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
Click to expand...

Here is a sensible argument.

When Reagan was president he commissioned a study on national deficit spending chaired by W. R. Grace, one of the most respected businessmen in America.

Mr Grace characterized deficit spending on the scale promoted by the Democrat party as "inter-generational rape."

The same goes with Obama's indoctrination propaganda directed at america's school children, it is inter-generational rape of their young minds.

(LG won't dare read on of my posts, if anyone cares they can cut and past my post to him, or her as the case may be, I have no idea.)
 
#125
#125
lawgator1 said:
That's ridiculous. I have many problems with Obama. Just wish the right would make sensible arguments to in the debate, as opposed to histrionics, exaggerations, fabrications, scare tactics, and all around general fear mongering. So many simpletons being deluded by right wing radio/tv charlatans. Honestly, Beck and Hannity approaching Orson Welles level at this point. Hell, Beck should be institutionalized and medicated.
Posted via VolNation Mobile
Click to expand...
I call bullsh*t!

You have defended Obama at every turn. I have never seen you post a critical word about his policies, not to mention his total lack of moral character.

The only 'problem' you have with Obama is, you fail to see the detriment his policies will bring about.
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.

VN Store



Back
Top