If Pearl is fired...

#176
#176
MikeHamiltonFan said:
If you lied about speeding would it be the same as lying about rape?

They are both wrong, and both are lying about lawbreaking.

What people seem to lose track of is that Pearl lied about 3 juniors going to an all team barbecue at his house. The event was not made for them, it did not confer competitive advantage and it was not a substantial benefit.

If he tried to hand someone $10,000 or tried to get an agent to promise a kid a shoe contract if he came to the school, and then he lied about it, the NCAA would destroy him.

This is NOT the same thing.
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Fair enough, but if it was so petty, why lie? Why follow it up by calling parents to remind them that he told them it was cheating?

These guys are looking for an attitude of wanton neglect for their rules. We clearly have demonstrated that, regardless of the nature of the violations.

How does the AA turn a blind eye and retain any future enforcement capacity?
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#177
BPV,
I really think $1.5 million is not insubstantial. So does Calhoun. Look at his reaction to questions about his salary.

The NCAA will view that and off campus recruiting ban as a really large step towards punishing lying about secondary violations.

The worst part of talking to Crafts dad is that it demonstrates that Pearl acted out of emotions. He lied to the NCAA out of fear. He called Crafts dad out of anger (he had told Crafts dad it was against the rules, Crafts dad did not care at the time, then Ohio State got him to turn Pearl in after UT beat them in the tournament).

Reacting emotionally to this situation is stupid. I am glad Hamilton did not react emotionally. Our compliance office was viewed as stupid by football and nitpicky by basketball. LOIC is not going to happen. They now have Pearl on a leash that is so short he is going to gag when he picks up his cell phone to order pizza. Given what has happened I think that is right.

I am not proud of Pearl. Hat was right that he was not a Saint. People I know who talked about his conscience talked about it developing after he left his first wife. I wish he would take lots of steps forward in that regard. I know that this whole thing surprised Hamilton and he was very hurt and disappointed by it. Hamilton is not concerned about getting fired, and that gives me comfort that the sky is falling rumors are overblown.

BPV, you know at one point I was concerned about transcripts and $. I am not now. When the NCAA gets out the magnifying glass the worst thing they have is Pearl lying about a minor issue. It was wrong, but it was more stupid than it was outrageous.
 
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#178
I'm not saying it's outrageous. It isn't. The whole ordeal, piled together, gets to a threshold where the AA gets antsy, whether we think it merits more digging or otherwise.

My main concern is that the AA can't knowingly be lied to, have it made public, then sit idly by. I'll be shocked if they view the cash as ample. I hope they do, but doubt it.

As to the talk of advantage gained, it was illegal recruitment of juniors and the AA definitely views that as undue advantage, hence the rule.
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#179
BPV,

At the time were they not both already committed? And afterwards they committed to another school? So the unfair advantage is that we kept 1/3 of our junior bbq visitors?

That advantage does not seem huge to me, but the NCAA could see things another way.
 
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
BPV,

At the time were they not both already committed? And afterwards they committed to another school? So the unfair advantage is that we kept 1/3 of our junior bbq visitors?

That advantage does not seem huge to me, but the NCAA could see things another way.
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Commitments are meaningless. If their system hinges upon ultimate outcomes rather than process, it's absolutely idiotic.
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#181
#181
Yet that is the very measuring stick that is most accurate!

If Belmont gives someone a pencil and some pretzels and pulls a 5 star recruit, the NCAA is going to look into what else Belmont gave them. If Belmont never pulls a single 5 star, their pencil and pretzel gifts will probably never come under scrutiny.

Why is $$$ used at the AAU level? Because it works! It gets recruits! If you know as much as I think you do about basketball, you know that for ESPN 150 players, a family bbq is not the biggest taboo a kid is going to receive as he looks for a school.

I believe that if Selby's mom got deposed about everything she was offered in the recruitment of her son, Kansas and UK would be in trouble.

PM me about Tyler Harris also. Bruce Pearl acted saintly when he got here, and that is why Tyler started out at Iowa. I assume you have heard that story.
 
#183
#183
Wow! The basketball board has finally hit rock bottom. I thought a public figure's children were off limits unless they broke the law?
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#184
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MikeHamiltonFan said:
PM me about Tyler Harris also. Bruce Pearl acted saintly when he got here, and that is why Tyler started out at Iowa. I assume you have heard that story.
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Something tells me if you can't the correct person, your story isn't correct either.
 
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#187
Tyler Smith. Was reading alot about 2011 recruiting. Thanks for all the updates you are doing in that area JZ. Your contributions on this board always help keep me informed...
 
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#188
MikeHamiltonFan said:
BPV,
I really think $1.5 million is not insubstantial. So does Calhoun. Look at his reaction to questions about his salary.

The NCAA will view that and off campus recruiting ban as a really large step towards punishing lying about secondary violations.

The worst part of talking to Crafts dad is that it demonstrates that Pearl acted out of emotions. He lied to the NCAA out of fear. He called Crafts dad out of anger (he had told Crafts dad it was against the rules, Crafts dad did not care at the time, then Ohio State got him to turn Pearl in after UT beat them in the tournament).

Reacting emotionally to this situation is stupid. I am glad Hamilton did not react emotionally. Our compliance office was viewed as stupid by football and nitpicky by basketball. LOIC is not going to happen. They now have Pearl on a leash that is so short he is going to gag when he picks up his cell phone to order pizza. Given what has happened I think that is right.

I am not proud of Pearl. Hat was right that he was not a Saint. People I know who talked about his conscience talked about it developing after he left his first wife. I wish he would take lots of steps forward in that regard. I know that this whole thing surprised Hamilton and he was very hurt and disappointed by it. Hamilton is not concerned about getting fired, and that gives me comfort that the sky is falling rumors are overblown.

BPV, you know at one point I was concerned about transcripts and $. I am not now. When the NCAA gets out the magnifying glass the worst thing they have is Pearl lying about a minor issue. It was wrong, but it was more stupid than it was outrageous.
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You continue to make statements of fact that you know nothing about. You don't who if anyone turned him in. Pearl was afraid to admit a secondary violation that he had committed previously and reported at another school. The NCAA only cares about big lies, not little lies. Give me a break. Unless you have something of substance to provide, you should just keep quiet.
 
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#189
hatvol96 said:
The funny thing is Tyler Harris is actually considering Iowa.
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Well they both are named Tyler. Guess thats close enough for MHF. I'm sure Pearl was saintly to both of them. He's such an up-front guy and cares only about his players, and of course players he is recruiting. He would never do anything to jeopardize a player or recruit, oh wait.
 
#191
#191
Somewhere a man smiles from his home in Arkansas where he lives a very comfortable life in part due to $$$ that Knight had to pay him after he attacked him physically in the work place.
 
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#192
People keep saying UT basketball is greater than Pearl but I disagree. Furthermore, I also disagree with saying Pearl is greater than UT basketball. But what I do believe is that Pearl IS UT basketball. We we're abysmal before Pearl and we'll return to the cellar of the SEC if he leaves. At what seems to be the dark age of UT athletics, this would put an even greater damper on our athletic program.
 
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#193
Wow, this thread was so interesting, I read the whole thing before I realized it. I hope Pearl survives and prospers, but if he doesn't, he has only himself to blame.
 
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#194
Zeppelin18241 said:
People keep saying UT basketball is greater than Pearl but I disagree. Furthermore, I also disagree with saying Pearl is greater than UT basketball. But what I do believe is that Pearl IS UT basketball. We we're abysmal before Pearl and we'll return to the cellar of the SEC if he leaves. At what seems to be the dark age of UT athletics, this would put an even greater damper on our athletic program.
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Oh, look. Another poster that knows absolutely nothing about UT basketball coming to Bruce the Great's defense.
 
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#195
LawVol13 said:
Oh, look. Another poster that knows absolutely nothing about UT basketball coming to Bruce the Great's defense.
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Haha wow. You're questioning me as a fan because I support Bruce pearl and think that if he leaves we return to mediocrity? The last time I check, I'm entitled to an opinion.
 
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#196
LawVol13 said:
Oh, look. Another poster that knows absolutely nothing about UT basketball coming to Bruce the Great's defense.
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wow, all knowing great one, how did we overlook you in our coaching search with your infinite wisdom. I mean you must be of great intellect to actually know that everyone that disagrees with your opinion have never played or coached basketball nor knows absolutely nothing about UT bball.

You remind me of one of my family members, always talking about how everyones opinions are wrong because they differ from yours all the while never having enough talent to get out of the chair and play anything.
 
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#197
ddubb76 said:
wow, all knowing great one, how did we overlook you in our coaching search with your infinite wisdom. I mean you must be of great intellect to actually know that everyone that disagrees with your opinion have never played or coached basketball nor knows absolutely nothing about UT bball.

You remind me of one of my family members, always talking about how everyones opinions are wrong because they differ from yours all the while never having enough talent to get out of the chair and play anything.
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It's not an opinion. Tennessee has had success very similar to what Pearl has had. Green made 4 straight 'AAs and had us at #4 in the country. Devoe made 5 straight 'AAs and won the SEC Tourney, something Bruce the Great hasn't done.
 
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#198
LawVol13 said:
It's not an opinion. Tennessee has had success very similar to what Pearl has had. Green made 4 straight 'AAs and had us at #4 in the country. Devoe made 5 straight 'AAs and won the SEC Tourney, something Bruce the Great hasn't done.
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It is an opinion, HATS opinion of those guys were idiots, my opinion of those guys is they were irrelevent, your OPINION is different but doesnt make you uneducated or an idiot, just of differing opinion.
and Pearl has done more than either of them, The ncaa tourny is the only one that matters, and he tookus further there than anyone else. end of story.
 
#199
#199
The old elite 8 excuse. He is the greatest coach in america. Let's ignore everything, he took us to the elite 8. We had no program or success prior to Pearl.
 
#200
#200
LV,
Go ahead and continue the laughable argument that K O'Neill was an amazing coach and Green just rode his talent to 4 NCAAs. He also lucked into success in Oregon.
 
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