If there were 14 nick saban's in the sec

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Also, anybody who thinks Saban is overrated after taking over two SEC programs that were near the bottom of the league and returning them to NC winning dynasties obviously knows not what they are talking about. I can't stand the guy, but he is arguably the greatest coach in SEC history.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Phil Fulmer dominating Uga and Bama like he did is min blowing. It will never happen again. :hi:
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Fulmer's teams were dominating Bammer when they had Dubose, Franchione and Shula. Georgia had Goff, Donnan and Richt. How did they do with Spurier, Myer, Saban, Tubberville and Miles? This has all been gone over before.
 
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govols1976 said:
Nick Saban is very overrated! Anybody can coach and win if your recruiting class is number one 5 years in a row. Talent wins! Look at John Cal. Hes overrated also
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Huh? You can't take Saban out of the equation and expect Bama to be as successful as they have been. Same with Cal at Kentucky. Both coaches are THE REASON those programs are attracting the talent they are. Saban sure as hell knows what do do with it too.... you don't win 3 NCs in 5 years if you don't. Look no further than Georgia.... Richt gets great talent but can't get to a natl title game.... while Saban lives there.
 
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If there were 14 nick sabans all would be complaining about hurry-up offenses and the cumulative salaries would total $96,900, 000. (satan's package is $6.9M) :crazy:
 
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KBVol said:
Huh? You can't take Saban out of the equation and expect Bama to be as successful as they have been. Same with Cal at Kentucky. Both coaches are THE REASON those programs are attracting the talent they are. Saban sure as hell knows what do do with it too.... you don't win 3 NCs in 5 years if you don't. Look no further than Georgia.... Richt gets great talent but can't get to a natl title game.... while Saban lives there.
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Well georgia boys there's your sign ! :idea:
 
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Vol8188 said:
Records don't mean everything. He can't keep his talent in state. He has more instate talent with less in state competition than anyone else in the nation.

If they had a real coach, UGA would be scary.
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I don't doubt that in the least as they have the resources to be Florida, but he is solid. There are very few great ones, as we have found.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
Fulmer's teams were dominating Bammer when they had Dubose, Franchione and Shula. Georgia had Goff, Donnan and Richt. How did they do with Spurier, Myer, Saban, Tubberville and Miles? This has all been gone over before.
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Saban has dominated Dooley. What difference does it make and what's your point? My point is that we will never dominate them again. If you will check the records of those teams that Phil beat, they were a helluva lot better than fooley's were.
 
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KBVol said:
Huh? You can't take Saban out of the equation and expect Bama to be as successful as they have been. Same with Cal at Kentucky. Both coaches are THE REASON those programs are attracting the talent they are. Saban sure as hell knows what do do with it too.... you don't win 3 NCs in 5 years if you don't. Look no further than Georgia.... Richt gets great talent but can't get to a natl title game.... while Saban lives there.
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Getting to the national title game takes luck. Saban had a bucket load and Richt had none. Do not get carried away. Check the records and get back to me.:hi:
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Saban has dominated Dooley. What difference does it make and what's your point? My point is that we will never dominate them again. If you will check the records of those teams that Phil beat, they were a helluva lot better than fooley's were.
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BeattieFeathers said:
Getting to the national title game takes luck. Saban had a bucket load and Richt had none. Do not get carried away. Check the records and get back to me.:hi:
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Saban has had good fortune no doubt, but he has proven he belonged there by winning 3 times with Bama and once with LSU when he's gotten there. So I say to you BeattieFeathers, don't get carried away with the "Saban's just lucky" talk.

Also, I heard on TSR the other day that Georgia is the ONLY team to be cumulatively ranked in the top 8 or so teams talent-wise since the BCS era to not have played in a natl title game. Surely you're not suggesting that everybody else who has secured the best talent over the last 15 or so years on that list comparable to Georgia has just been lucky. And Georgia has just been unlucky? For the record, I think Richt is a very good coach, runs a good program and has been very successful as his 126-45 record proves. However, by comparison, Saban wins national championships because he is more than very good...he's elite.
 
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KBVol said:
Saban has had good fortune no doubt, but he has proven he belonged there by winning 3 times with Bama and once with LSU when he's gotten there. So I say to you BeattieFeathers, don't get carried away with the "Saban's just lucky" talk.

Also, I heard on TSR the other day that Georgia is the ONLY team to be cumulatively ranked in the top 8 or so teams talent-wise since the BCS era to not have played in a natl title game. Surely you're not suggesting that everybody else who has secured the best talent over the last 15 or so years on that list comparable to Georgia has just been lucky. And Georgia has just been unlucky? For the record, I think Richt is a very good coach, runs a good program and has been very successful as his 126-45 record proves. However, by comparison, Saban wins national championships because he is more than very good...he's elite.
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Saban played for a national title three times with one loss teams. Only once has he finished the season unbeaten and for the record, he has won more national titles than SEC championships because of the luck of a flawed system.
By comparison, Tuberville was shut out of the title game with an unbeaten team. Richt got locked out in '02 because there were two unbeaten teams and in '07 he was in line to go but was jumped in the final poll by twice beaten LSU.:hi::hi:
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Saban played for a national title three times with one loss teams. Only once has he finished the season unbeaten and for the record, he has won more national titles than SEC championships because of the luck of a flawed system.
By comparison, Tuberville was shut out of the title game with an unbeaten team. Richt got locked out in '02 because there were two unbeaten teams and in '07 he was in line to go but was jumped in the final poll by twice beaten LSU.:hi::hi:
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Are you really arguing that Saban isn't an elite coach by discussing his 1 loss teams? I'm not a fan of the man either but for crying out loud give credit where credit is due. He's made it to 4 title games and has 4 titles to show for it. He's 67-9 as a member of the SEC the last 6 years with 3 National titles. Come on BF. Btw, you're not trying to argue that both Tuberville and Richt are better coaches than Saban are you?
 
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I'm sure Bama will get nailed once again and go through another decade long slog in the mud. You can't recruit at that level for as long as they have if you're not cutting corners, especially to a town like Tuscaloosa in a state that still has deep racial and socioeconomic divides. They do grow a lot of blue gums down there in the old land of cotton and those guys make for some great big linemen but they have to go out of state to fill out their roster same as us. What Saban has excelled at is keeping an iron grip on the lose lipped boosters and former players who usually bring down the football factories and he's intimidated Slive into giving him an unlimited stack of get out of jail free cards. Eventually they'll get crosswise with some other big program outside the SEC and it'll become an NCAA issue that Slive can't whitewash. It always happens with them.
 
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KBVol said:
Are you really arguing that Saban isn't an elite coach by discussing his 1 loss teams? I'm not a fan of the man either but for crying out loud give credit where credit is due. He's made it to 4 title games and has 4 titles to show for it. He's 67-9 as a member of the SEC the last 6 years with 3 National titles. Come on BF. Btw, you're not trying to argue that both Tuberville and Richt are better coaches than Saban are you?
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No he is elite but he had a lot of luck that others didn't

For the record, spurrier and saban are the only elite coaches in the sec over the last 25 years. Fulmer,miles,Richt,stallings are on the next tier......very good and hall of fame worthy. Not too many elite coaches....
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
No he is elite but he had a lot of luck that others didn't

For the record, spurrier and saban are the only elite coaches in the sec over the last 25 years. Fulmer,miles,Richt,stallings are on the next tier......very good and hall of fame worthy. Not too many elite coaches....
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Every team, every year that wins the National Title can point back to a few plays, a game or 2 that went their way, that they escaped, "because of luck". It's part of it. The obvious example(s) I could give are the plays vs Syracuse, Arkansas and Florida State (didn't have their starting QB) that helped UT win the natl title in '98.

You gave one example each of Tuberville and of Richt not having been lucky so they could win a natl title. Well, how many times have they put themselves in the position to be there at the end? Surely nowhere near as many times as Saban and that's my point. Richt is a very good coach and so was Tuberville at Auburn. But they're not elite whereas as Saban is pretty much in a class by himself right now in college football.
 
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The Saban worship is crazy. Undoubtedly, he is an awesome coach. But at the same time....He has had help along the way via Emmert, cushioned schedules, and a LSU rematch. Not trying to take away Saban's ability....but things outside of coaching play a great part of his success. (When CPF coached...the NCAA existed)
 
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I think his best years are behind him. It will be a slow decline from here on out has he ages more and his mind doesn't work as smooth

Alabama will be like Penn State and hold on to him for what he has done in the past
 
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CountVolcula said:
I think his best years are behind him. It will be a slow decline from here on out has he ages more and his mind doesn't work as smooth

Alabama will be like Penn State and hold on to him for what he has done in the past
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No doubt! its going to be fun to watch. Living in Al, I listen to all the excuses from ungrateful Bama fans why they lost a few games within a few years.....so when the train comes off the track...I'm going to rub it in deep this go around!:)
 
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GrowVol said:
No doubt! its going to be fun to watch. Living in Al, I listen to all the excuses from ungrateful Bama fans why they lost a few games within a few years.....so when the train comes off the track...I'm going to rub it in deep this go around!:)
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I will shower in their tears
 
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For now, while we give butch time to rebuild the program, 8-9 wins is great. Long term though, (2016 on) we should expect to be a double digit win team and a championship contending team most every year. An "8-4 is ok" attitude for the long term (like op seems to have) is unacceptable and lowers our expectations as a program. Down years happen, but to permanently lower standards because we've had a few recently, that shouldn't happen.

Edit: And btw there aren't 14 sabans in the sec. Spurrier is widely considered the 2nd or 3rd best coach in the sec, and we beat him with an inferior team last year.
 
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