If there were 14 nick saban's in the sec

#51
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BeattieFeathers said:
Only one would win the SEC. Only one fan base would be happy. Over time, several would be planning an exit strategy for Nick.
Because the SEC is stronger than ever, in spite of our failures as a program, Butch Jones could be the greatest coach we've ever had and we might not know it.
I don't believe anyone will win as much as Fulmer in the 90's. No way will we dominate Bama and Uga like he did. I do expect Coach Jones to yearly have us on par with the better teams in the east as early as 2015.
But because there are so many top programs, 8 or 9 wins will be good years. Look at last year andt tell me who had a good year and look at their record. But don't expect Fulmer style winning year in and year out. That's not to say we won't win the sec, but we might have a coach whose record will look more like John Majors or Mark Richt of late than Phil Fulmer and that's ok!
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I think Fulmer started his down fall when Saban, Meyer, Rict, Miles and them guys came into the SEC. I really think your right about Butch. He is recruiting with the big boys and we have not been winning many games. When we do just think of the players Butch will bring to Tennessee. We have our football coach now. And I think Tennessee is a dream job for Butch.
 
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I ask if my math is correct. If you have 14 Sabans on a field, would that be a 52 yard field goal?
 
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5 number 1 recruiting classes in a row! My dog could coach that team. They go to Bama for the name. Saban is overrated and is going down now he has lame kitten.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Only one would win the SEC. Only one fan base would be happy. Over time, several would be planning an exit strategy for Nick.
Because the SEC is stronger than ever, in spite of our failures as a program, Butch Jones could be the greatest coach we've ever had and we might not know it.
I don't believe anyone will win as much as Fulmer in the 90's. No way will we dominate Bama and Uga like he did. I do expect Coach Jones to yearly have us on par with the better teams in the east as early as 2015.
But because there are so many top programs, 8 or 9 wins will be good years. Look at last year andt tell me who had a good year and look at their record. But don't expect Fulmer style winning year in and year out. That's not to say we won't win the sec, but we might have a coach whose record will look more like John Majors or Mark Richt of late than Phil Fulmer and that's ok!
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This is a great point, and one that hurt Fulmer. People were upset in 2007 even though we were close to winning the SEC, largely due to lopsided losses to UF and UA, arguably our two biggest rivals in the Fulmer era. But the jagoffs coaching those two teams won 5 out of 7 NCs in that stretch, and the team we lost to that year in the SECC won one of the other ones!

Competition caught up with us and we are still suffering from it. It's a long road back. This season may not be any better than last, but I at least expect a positive slope towards the end this year. Last year due to injuries at QB we tapered off a bit.

That and I think we beat Vandy decisively. :)
 
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A&M is recruiting like crazy the last couple years and have surpassed the longhorns as the #1 choice for all the best players in Texas. I think they will be the team to beat in the next few years. Especially if Charlie Strong struggles at UTjr.
 
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Eugene Hetalia said:
I ask if my math is correct. If you have 14 Sabans on a field, would that be a 52 yard field goal?
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Only if your Sabans are 11 feet 1 inch and 11.4 centimeters tall rounded down of course.

A*B=C÷D=E-F=G
Then G*D=H-C=I*negative J=K÷D=L-M=N
Finished with J-D=O*P=Q÷D=R then round R down.

It's simple math really :)
 
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GBO97 said:
For now, while we give butch time to rebuild the program, 8-9 wins is great. Long term though, (2016 on) we should expect to be a double digit win team and a championship contending team most every year. An "8-4 is ok" attitude for the long term (like op seems to have) is unacceptable and lowers our expectations as a program. Down years happen, but to permanently lower standards because we've had a few recently, that shouldn't happen.

Edit: And btw there aren't 14 sabans in the sec. Spurrier is widely considered the 2nd or 3rd best coach in the sec, and we beat him with an inferior team last year.
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Way unrealistic! Who is doing that right now in this league? Let me guess? You are 35 or younger?:good!:
 
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Nick Saban might be a dwarf but he is in no way overrated. The guy is special and will not fizz out like Fulmer. Complacency is not a part of his genetics. His recruiting and defensive schemes will always have him contending.

That being said, he is beatable if you have an exceptional team, concept, or quarterback. Our team is improving talent wise. We'll find out if the scheme or quarterback works out.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
Nick Saban might be a dwarf but he is in no way overrated. The guy is special and will not fizz out like Fulmer. Complacency is not a part of his genetics. His recruiting and defensive schemes will always have him contending.

That being said, he is beatable if you have an exceptional team, concept, or quarterback. Our team is improving talent wise. We'll find out if the scheme or quarterback works out.
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You are wrong. It happened to Bear,joepa,and bobby Bowden. You are unrealistic and scary as a fan.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Way unrealistic! Who is doing that right now in this league? Let me guess? You are 35 or younger?:good!:
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Consistently winning 10+ most years isn't unrealistic. Even in today's competitive SEC, Alabama, LSU, Georgia and SC (who has historically been awful) have all managed to maintain this standard. In a few more years, I see no reason why we can't do the same.
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Only one would win the SEC. Only one fan base would be happy. Over time, several would be planning an exit strategy for Nick.
Because the SEC is stronger than ever, in spite of our failures as a program, Butch Jones could be the greatest coach we've ever had and we might not know it.
I don't believe anyone will win as much as Fulmer in the 90's. No way will we dominate Bama and Uga like he did. I do expect Coach Jones to yearly have us on par with the better teams in the east as early as 2015.
But because there are so many top programs, 8 or 9 wins will be good years. Look at last year andt tell me who had a good year and look at their record. But don't expect Fulmer style winning year in and year out. That's not to say we won't win the sec, but we might have a coach whose record will look more like John Majors or Mark Richt of late than Phil Fulmer and that's ok!
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Such a dumb post. If all the coaches in the league were equal in coaching and recruiting abilities, then they would each beat each other about 50% of the time and no one would win a ton of games.

...But that's not even close to reality. Saban has demonstrated what a coach can come into the SEC and accomplish in a few short years after taking over a program that is in the dumps. Sumlin and Malzahn showed that great coaches can win big right away. Freeze is showing that a good coach can take over a program in far worse shape than UT and quickly turn it into a winner and recruit top classes. Franklin showed that, with an excellent coach, even a perennial bottom-feeder can win lots of games in this league and whip their rivals.

If Butch is up to the level of these guys, then he will win big here. If he isn't, folks like you will continue to make excuses for him to the detriment of the program.
 
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oregonvol said:
Such a dumb post. If all the coaches in the league were equal in coaching and recruiting abilities, then they would each beat each other about 50% of the time and no one would win a ton of games.

...But that's not even close to reality. Saban has demonstrated what a coach can come into the SEC and accomplish in a few short years after taking over a program that is in the dumps. Sumlin and Malzahn showed that great coaches can win big right away. Freeze is showing that a good coach can take over a program in far worse shape than UT and quickly turn it into a winner and recruit top classes. Franklin showed that, with an excellent coach, even a perennial bottom-feeder can win lots of games in this league and whip their rivals.

If Butch is up to the level of these guys, then he will win big here. If he isn't, folks like you will continue to make excuses for him to the detriment of the program.
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Whatever became of gene chizik?
 
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BeattieFeathers said:
Whatever became of gene chizik?
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Won a NC and then lost his offensive coordinator and couldn't hack it without him. Got fired as soon as he had his first losing season. That's been Auburn's pattern for awhile, even for guys who once had success. Thing is, they do their homework and hire successful replacements. It's crazy how it works - they want to win, so they fire guys who don't win and then expect the new guy they get to win. The odd thing is, it actually works better than making excuses all the time.
 
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If there were 14 Nick Saban's in the SEC, there would be 14 groups of media getting chewed out for every question they found insulting.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
Nick Saban might be a dwarf but he is in no way overrated. The guy is special and will not fizz out like Fulmer. Complacency is not a part of his genetics. His recruiting and defensive schemes will always have him contending.

That being said, he is beatable if you have an exceptional team, concept, or quarterback. Our team is improving talent wise. We'll find out if the scheme or quarterback works out.
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Saban demands perfection. Against LSU in the BCS title game Bama received their 1st penalty late, late in the game...1-2 minutes to go. I thought Saban was going to blow a gasket.

That's a level of detail Fulmer and 99.99% of the rest of the coaches don't have. He just demands more.
 
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Vol8188 said:
UGA is nothing special, at all. Neither is Saban. He just currently has the best players in the nation.

Richt is a terrible coach, and Saban is getting old. We could very easily be dominating the SEC again in 2-3 years.
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Saban did the recruiting so he gets credit for that and he is a great coach. Richt is far from terrible. 10 wins a year in the SEC for this long is amazing.
If that's an overrated coach and a terrible coach then who is a good coach?
 
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fossilfiction said:
Saban did the recruiting so he gets credit for that and he is a great coach. Richt is far from terrible. 10 wins a year in the SEC for this long is amazing.
If that's an overrated coach and a terrible coach then who is a good coach?
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There's a lot of "good" coaches. Bill Synder is one of the greats.
 
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fossilfiction said:
Saban did the recruiting so he gets credit for that and he is a great coach. Richt is far from terrible. 10 wins a year in the SEC for this long is amazing.
If that's an overrated coach and a terrible coach then who is a good coach?
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It always amazes me how badly the majority of posters on here rate Mark Richt, while making excuses for all the failures we've had in recent years.

I remember an argument here back in Dooley's 1st or 2nd year when multiple posters were arguing that Dooley should be ranked ahead of Mark Richt.

Richt has done everything at Georgia short of winning a national championship. He's had some down years, but he always seems to bounce back. He's never been like Fulmer and just been beaten by the same coach/team over and over again. He's been competitive with Florida all along. Even with his down years, he's never finished the regular season below .500.

It's funny to read on here how Richt is a bad coach and then read a few posts later that no one should say anything bad about our coach as long as he posts a tiny bit of improvement from year to year or how we should have kept Fulmer.
 
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